09 May 2015 22:04:44
Not sure what Barkley done to think today was all his fault. I think there was one moment where he kept the ball too long and lost it.
In an attacking sense he help contribute with the other attacking players 22 shots today in what was one of the strangest games I've seen at goodison for a while. You lot who moan about him but are the ones putting him on the pedestal.
I remember a boxing day game I think against Sheff Wed. We battered them for 90 mins but they broke away and scored 4 goals!
For me Stones was at fault for the goal for . holding onto the ball too much and the other goal was a complete freak.
I'm not so hysterical about todays game as others. I thought we played well in the second half but in front of goal we were awful.
I've already given up on this season. Fair play to Sunderland they needed the points and I remember us playing games like that in the 90s. Good luck to em.
09 May 2015 22:17:34
Oh yeah, the people calling him overrated and crap are the ones calling him world class and the people calling him world class are the ones calling him overrated and crap, wait what?. He only lost it once? Haha come on take your ross tinted glasses off.
{Ed025's Note - i like that swan..
09 May 2015 23:00:58
Its more that you in particular have anegative outlook on the player that is highly over exaggerated.
I suggest a course of prozac would be in order for you.
I am saying that people like yourself have an expectation of him being or becoming world class. i'm more looking at him as a good midfielder with potential and when we were playing well as a team he played a key part in that.
He is not making the team struggle, the team is struggling and him along with it.
I don't see how you can blame him for today. Lukaku was poor, mirallas came on and done his usual thing of ignoring his team mates, lennon looked like he had taken lessons off mcGeadey and Stones went back to making his usual mistakes. These were more glaring and contributed more to the result than Barkleys performance.
Now go get your prozac from the chemist.
{Ed025's Note - thts a fair point john..
10 May 2015 01:58:47
I don't have any expectations, What I expect from an everton player and apparant everton fan is a few things, 1. Give everything (he doesnt) 2. Try to keep the ball (he doesnt) 3. If your teammate makes a good run then give him the ball (he doesn't or, cant) and 4. don't hog the ball and want the glory all for yourself (he does). Do I want him to be world class? Of course, I also want mcgeady, osman and howard to be world class, sadly, for all 4, they are a long long long long way off. Casing point, a young lad for newcastle, adam armstrong, only 17, went clear through on his debut vs sunderland and despite pappis cisse being in a better position, the local lad, for his boyhood club, he shot. After realizing that he should of passed it, he looked gutted, he was 17 and already knew that he made the wrong decision. Ross barkley is 21 and makes the wrong decision a few times every game, does he look arsed? Nah. He couldn't give two stuffs, as long as he looks good on the tele he's living the dream. Its not people having expectations, its him, he doesn't want to improve, he doesn't have the hunger.
10 May 2015 08:35:24
I suppose that's the difference between your view and mine then. I believe he does care as when he was struggling earlier this season you could see the look on his face and the fear of failure. That pressure of failure got to him and his confidence evaporated. He is still trying to get that back.
Not sure what comparison a 17 yo from Newcastle on his debut is as Barkley has first made his in 2011 so its not exactly a fair comparison. But what I will say is that Barkley will always try and find player and try those passes that hardly come off. The pass for Lukaku on the pen spot is a perfect example. Not many would try it and even less would find him but he did.
Whether you're 17 or 21, 2 full seasons at either age is still very young and very early in a carear. He will get better and make better decisions, dribbles, passes and develop in his trade and remember he has a manager that wants to develop with a spanish mentality which, in his position is to not chase and get back but to play with arrogance and always want the ball in the advanced positions.
As for looking gutted because he made the wrong choice, I think your 17 yo is the only one in world football that would look arsed.
10 May 2015 09:44:02
Have to agree with you BlueJohnUns Barkley should not be running round chasing the ball he should be in the advanced positions waiting for the turnover in possession surely that's why we play with both Barry and Mccarthy? Mirrallas probably lost the ball more times in the short time that he was on but god forbid give him any stick same goes for Lukaku who not once actually got in between the space between the 2 Sunderland centre halfs to allow Barkley to play a through ball. I am sure a regular poster just likes to come and single out players for criticism rather than the team as a whole. John Stones for example was bullied by Danny Graham and was at best average yesterday he was caught in possession a few times in advanced positions which then left us exposed at the back but I haven't seen many posters criticising him? I have said it before and will say it again Ross Barkley should be played behind Lukaku and once Lukakus hold up play improves I then believe they will both improve and cause defenders problems. Ross has a go and doesn't jog back from offside positions like our recordsigning.Who doesn't look bothered does. but again he doesn't come in for criticism.
10 May 2015 15:32:24
Haha, barkley is being played behind lukaku and is playing terrible. 'when lukaku's hold up play improves' so barkley cannot be good until another player becomes good? that's a bad excuse. Also, stones had one bad game, unlucky, barkley's had about 50x that many, but god forbid anyone has a go. i'm not suprised lukaku walks back onside, he has plenty of time too while barkley runs around in a circle. Mccarthy has shown this season he can go forward and i'd have him there over barkley. Also, john, barkley has been on loan and played a few games under moyes, he's making the same mistakes at 21 he was making at 17, that's really really bad. Ruud gullit mentioned barkley shouldn't be tracking back, but if at the age of 21 you're knackered after an hour, after making 2 tackles, then you have big problems. Lukaku has 19 goals this season, barkley has 2 assists in 4 years. Is it any wonder lukaku tries to do things himself?. Also, about barkley caring, you would think he would leave penalties to, well, penalty takers. he's miles behind were garrard and rooney were at his age and I guarantee you next season he is exactly the same player. We should cash in while we can. Get a player who will actually support the striker, that's another thing, how often does it look like we play a 4-5-1 formation because barkley drops back and leaves lukaku on his own against 5 players? People moan about him being played out of psotion, erm, he thinks he's a sweeper most of the time! Trying to act all elegant on the ball like he can control a game like a paul scholes or andrea pirlo when he simply lacks the ability tk do so.
10 May 2015 16:32:08
Stones has had a lot more than one bad game this season but am not lambasting him for It as he is learning the game in a top league as is Ross. You have your opinion swan and I have mine, I do believe he is a victim of the managers poor tactics and he tries to hard when losing the ball due to fans getting on his back all the time, he is then merely trying to impress instead of concentrating on his game. I don't believe in comparing players to validate an argument as it just comes across as petulent it is what it is and he is a young professional learning the game which in his position is all about discipline and positional play. Surely the manager should be playing the shape in training in order for him and Lukaku to get an understanding? If you want a scapegoat look to the touchline at the conman in the coat its his tactics that have destroyed one of the best group of players I have seen in my lifetime.
10 May 2015 19:23:26
it seems a war of words has broken out hand out the tin hats I agree with both of you lads certain players get a volley of fire and others can do no wrong about stones he plays the way everybody wants but it seems that when a mistake is made it most of the time is converted by the opposition it seems to me that he didn't see garbutt or garbutt didn't ask for the ball so why not knock it out for a throw in take the safety first option now about barkley were do start a player who runs looking at his feet dosent look up and his awareness of men around him is zero he runs into trouble time after time dosent track back and tries the hollywood ball or attempted pass almost on a regular basis but is it that other players are happy to let him have it and don't want the responsability during the game or is napoleon giving out orders before games that he has almost no position to occupy just to float were he wants also boys can anybody explain these redicolous flip charts when a substitution is made are players so thick they have to be told what to do when they go on by showing them matchstick men on paper surely when you go on a game is constantly changing so what the hell is the point of that nonsense you only see graham jones are assistant manager when a sub is made earning his money showing emptyhead players ls lowery drawings hope I have helped a ceasefire as yours and my love for the blues shines through on these pages thanks ed
{Ed025's Note - cheers al..good post mate, and lets try and stop the pettiness guys we are all on the same side for christs sake..
10 May 2015 20:11:41
No war of words from me fellas just a difference of opinion that is all maybe am right maybe am wrong only time will tell my point was no matter who pulls on that jersey I will get behind them through the good times and bad and won't lambast them from the stands. The manager on the other hand well that's a different story I blame him and his one dimensional ideas for ruining good players and absolutely killing the atmosphere at Goodison in the process.
{Ed025's Note - thats fair imo gray..
11 May 2015 06:50:54
Don't worry lads. I will put a post on and Swan will leave you lot alone for a while. I must have put 150 posts on in the last couple of years and according to Swan.every point I have made is wrong. Actually, he will come on and say I put 151 posts on and 152 of them were wrong! lol
11 May 2015 09:23:02
Its all a matter if opinion degsy and if we all agreed it would be quite boring. The banter shows we have passion for our club and want what's best. Some say its best to drop Barkley some say he will be a top player its all about opinion I don't get heated or agitated in stating my point of view and if am wrong I will hold my hands up but that won't stop me airing my views.