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02 Sep 2015 17:25:59
I have one question for people here. Is Aiden McGeady that bad? Or are people just that fickle and judgemental that they have to constantly put him down? I am no big fan of McGeady but I don't think he deserves the amount of criticism he gets on this website. I'll tell why also.

One he has been injured for the best part of a year now on and off. Any time he played in the last year hasn't been impressive (apart from scoring 2 great goals for Ireland last year) Why is that because he got injured. He never got going with Everton yet that is very true but why give him so much stick? I'm sure he didn't choose to be injured and doesn't want to be playing badly either.

Two I'm convinced people just love someone to hate and give out about. McGeady seems to be getting all the flack now, why is that? Because there is no one else to use as the 'scape goat'. Before the season started loads of people were belittling Kone. How he was useless and should be sold and so on. Only 4 games in and not one person is giving out about him. He had a good start to the season. Why? Because he got a chance. He has been injured pretty much since he came to Everton and never got the chance to show whether he was good, bad or indifferent. It takes a while for a player to get back to match fitness. Kone doesn't get near as much flack as he used to. Cleverley is another player that people jumped on the bandwagon and calling him useless and all that. He also was proving people wrong before he got injured. I never criticised Kone or Cleverley because they deserved a chance.

It just seems like the same is happening to McGeady. I think he's getting to old to make a proper stab at proving his doubters wrong. I am no way impressed with McGeady with Everton so far. So don't anyone be saying that I think he's brilliant or anything. I think just cut him some slack and show him some respect as a footballer and above all an Everton footballer. Bet there are people who regret giving Kone and Clev so much abuse before the season started. Would you's not learn from your mistakes? By the way I don't think Kone and Clev are world class players but I do certainly think they surprised quite a few people so far this season. Which I'm delighted they have done. How can you judge a player when he's injured and not playing?

{Ed025's Note - a lot of it is in jest NBTB..but he is awful..its more observational than actually picking on him, if giving the ball away was an art form..then he is van gogh if poor crossing was an olympic sport...then he is usain bolt, and if hitting the corner flag with shots was the aim..then hes the new messi...but besides that he is absolutely world class.. :)

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02 Sep 2015 17:54:44
Fair enough Ed, as I said I'm haven't been impressed with him myself but don't feel the need to belittle him. I think he should be supported rather than given out about. As I said look at Kone and Clev. Who would everyone give out about if McGeady left. Guarantee you there would be someone in the firing line. On another note seen some people saying we should of took 7-8m for Naismith. No way in my eyes. He prob puts in the most effort of all the players when he gets playing. When the injuries and suspensions set in we will be damn glad of him.

{Ed025's Note - im with you on that mate, im a big naisy fan..

02 Sep 2015 18:14:06
McGeady had the second highest assists last year in the squad which was 4. For me though it's the short pass to someone 5 foot infront of him. He can't do it.

I don't mind players losing the ball trying a difficult pass or through ball but when it is a simple pass in a non threatening situation is not good enough.

I think there is a good player somewhere inside of him but for me the EPL is just out of his league.

{Ed025's Note - so is the bootle joc.. :)

02 Sep 2015 18:28:20
The simple answer is that football fans, of all clubs, are a fickle bunch. I've been following EFC since the early 80's (first game in 82 v utd, 3 all) and I believe every team we produced since then has had a player that the fans just don't like. I'd like to think that we did give a player a chance, especially back then, but now we voice our displeasure before they can kick a ball in anger for us. Think TC, he was slated for months on this site before he signed this summer. Maybe we, as a nation, have lost our patience, everyone wants instant success without having to do/witness the hard graft.
I think Kone is getting a rest from the boo boys because he has looked a lot better now he is fit but that could change with one bad game. AMc has not ripped up trees for us thus far. He tries to beat a man a few times before looking to cross and, inevitably, loses possession without busting a gut to get back and defend his mistakes. The Goodison crowd will get behind any player, no matter how good or bad, as long as they are giving their all to the cause. I don't think he puts in enough effort during games and this is duly noted by the fans. It was a gamble when we signed him which hasn't really paid off. A shame but that's how it goes.
You mentioned Naisy and he has been through something similar when he first arrived. On his debut Moyes played him upfront v Athens, he scored 3 yet never really played there for DM again. Shoved on the wing or out of position where he was largely ineffective. But that lad works his socks off and the crowd, slowly but surely, began to take to him. This shows that it can be done, as long as the player has the balls to dig in and show them they can do a job.

{Ed025's Note - very good, and fair post that spud..

02 Sep 2015 18:44:42
good post nb

02 Sep 2015 19:20:02
Yep, I can't argue with anything you say there spudv.

02 Sep 2015 19:39:25
The jury is still out on Kone and Cleverley, the issue with McGeady is that he has no work rate. Cleverley works hard for the team, even when Kone was disliked he still had uses like holding the ball up and helping Rom out. McGeady is so predictable, roll your foot over the ball, do a stepover, sprint 5 yards, get out if breath, cut back and give it to Coleman. He isn't willing to run down the line like Lennon does. He gives it away so much even Gareth Barry laughs at him. He cannot shoot, he missed a sitter against Wolfsburg and a sitter against Barnsley. His crossing is beyond dreadful, remember Ossies testimonial? He put about 4 corners into the side netting. He has pace and all the tricks in the world yet has no technical ability whatsoever. I defended him A LOT at first because I felt he got unfair stick so early on in his Everton career, now, nearly 2 years later, he has only got worse. Kone had an excuse, he had a horrible injury and still doesn't look completely fit, the difference? He kept on working hard and changed the game against Watford, was good at Southampton, was meh against City and I thought he did very well at Spurs. Cleverley, well, he joined and has worked his socks off and fair play to him for that. Naismith was brought in and played out of position by Moyes. He's another who worked his socks off. Though a lot of the 'Naisayers' (haha get it, no? Me neither) on Twitter have started hating him again, saying he offers nothing. Which is funny because neither do they, it's funny because these same people are usually 13-16 year olds who think a player has to be one of 3 things, strong, fast or tricky. What delightful and narrow minded people. Anywho, back to McGeady. He had had plenty of chances, in Europe and in the League. He's taken none of them, bar his first game against Villa and the home game vs Lille I don't think he's had a decent game. Everyone knew an Aiden McGeady growing up, the lad who was great on concrete but beyond dreadful on grass. Not to mention his weight issues and bad attitude (proven at Spartak). He also cannot complete a 5 yard pass properly, watch the first half of the Barnsley game again. He's just, awful, is on more money than John Stones and has boobs. A bad signing even at 500k, Jesus, we actually gave someone half a million to take Aiden McGeady off them? That is depressing.

02 Sep 2015 20:54:54
The jury is still out with Clev and Kone I agree but the point was how easily and quickly people changed their opinions of them. The amount of abuse both players got was unbelievable before the season started. Yet since then I have yet to see negative comments about them and all slagging comments are now aimed towards McGeady.

As BlueJohnUns says there is always one player people are not happy with. I didn't give out about Kone, how could you he hardly played until now. He was unfortunate to be injured. As I said I don't think either him or Clev are world class but deserve a chance rather than putting them down before they even play. As BlueJohnUns said supporters are getting worse at this.

Including Kone and Clev in the comment was an example where people were too quick to judge. I can't tell the future but who knows McGeady might do the same. I can't see it happening if I'm honest but just look at Kone. If someone came on here at the beginning of August and said Kone would have 2 assists and a goal in the first 3 games they would have been laughed off the page.

McGeady only started what about 15 games for Everton and similar to Kone injuries have disrupted his progression to adapting to the Premier League. Is 15 starts and what bout 18 appearances on top enough for a player to be judged? Not just McGeady, any player. If McGeady is as bad as some people say along with having limited appearances, being the second highest with assists as stated BlueJohnUns above looks like a pretty ok achievement. Think I seen you say somewhere Swan that Barkley has 5 in 80 appearances. Not knocking Barkley, I actually think he's better than what some people say and is one of my favourites.

02 Sep 2015 21:16:28
Sorry referred to BlueJohnUns twice at the beginning when I should have said spudv

02 Sep 2015 21:42:11
Something worth remembering imo mate is, Kone had a knee injury that kept him out for 18 months and he is still recovering from. McGeady has had the odd niggling injury. Not the same for me. I actually had a lot of discussions with Degsy on here about Kone vs Anichebe and I said Kone is better and his argument was Anichebe is younger. I'm not going in to those debates again, I'm made up Kone is doing well, he still has a way to go but is getting there. One of my arguments in those debates was that Kone had not had a fair chance due to injury and some people (the minority) have said the same. McGeady doesn't have a near career ending injury to fall back on. McGeady has had his chances and never taken them, it is worth mentioning he was pretty useless in Russia and with Celtic fans (I'd say 60-40) do not want him back in a million years as he had the same issues he has now. Most Irish fans I have seen speak about him have said he is not very good either. Kone was great for Wigan despite being out of position. There is another key factor, if you think McGeady deserves a run in the team, who for? Do we not play 2 Premier League proven players in Mirallas and Lennon or do we halt the development of Deulofeu?. They are all and I think you will agree but maybe not, they are all better than him in every way, at everything, that's not me going over the too either. Faster, better crossers, better finishers and even Deulofeu works harder. If McGeady was one of these beat his man then whip it in even if it isn't very good type players then I would have no problem. Thing is he beats his man, does it again, does it again and you're thinking 'cross it or pass it', does he? No, he tries to do it over and over and over again until he loses it. By then he can't be bothered trying to win it back. On Ross, how long have you been reading this site btw mate? Using Ross as an example for McGeady is pointless for me because I don't rate either player, though I acknowledge Ross is actually good at some things, unlike Aiden. Just to make it clear and I hope everyone agrees on this, I will NEVER abuse McGeady at the match or if I see him in public, he's not said anything bad about the club, it just hasn't worked out for him. When he leaves hopefully in January I wish him well, I just don't think he is any better than the other wingers we have.

02 Sep 2015 23:52:04
I agree NB the criticism he gets is way over the top! Mirallas is not a great crosser of the ball either and has hardly any assists but he's treated like God.

As for Naisy I can't believe people are turning on him again. He is always good for a goal, and works hard for the team!

Some people just want to moan about something, anything, the manager, the board, this or that player, the badge, the 3rd strip, the colour of the grass. Whatever. It's kinda sad really!!

03 Sep 2015 06:11:32
aflm78-I think when comparing Mirallas with McGeady you have to also take in to consideration goals, work rate, flexibility, match winning ability etc. Mirallas can change a game in one moment, McGeady can't, Mirallas scores goals, McGeady doesn't, Mirallas tracks back, McGeady doesn't. Mirallas is comfortable wherever he is on the pitch, McGeady isn't. To be fair I don't think many consider him a 'god', not long ago someone suggested we swap him for Yarmolenko, he has been given stick for being inconsistent which is true. McGeady is consistent, consistently awful. I think the only players considered untouchable on this site are Coleman, Stones, Baines and Barkley. It is also, imo, worth noting that McGeady is not the only one that gets stick. Barry, Osman and Lukaku get there fair share, Howard doesn't get enough stick. People are even sending abuse to Oviedo on Twitter insulting him in every way possible. So he's another one to add to the 'hate list' along with Barry, Naismith, McGeady and sort of maybe Kone although he is slowly going off that list. I don't know if there is some sort of pattern our fans follow as to who is hated at the moment. Let's see, Barry yeah I understand as he has been poor the last year. Naismith maybe because he hasn't played too often people are just starting to dislike him again. McGeady we have been through, Kone was due to poor performances but he is slowly winning people over, Oviedo because he hasn't played for a while, had one bad game against Barsnley and he 'isn't good enough for the Premier League', you know, completely ignoring every other match he has played for us, yes including the Spurs game were I thought he was excellent. Osman because well, it's Osman. I don't get the pattern, though I do understand some of those players but not others.

03 Sep 2015 10:22:28
The thing for me that changed my mind about McGeady is his work rate, When he was first selected I had an open mind regarding how good bad he would be and for the first 5-6 appearances he did put a shift in tracked back and supported the defense. For some reason his work rate dropped off and to me he seamed lazy. If you combine his work rate with his passing game and end product which are not brilliant then overall he just does not fit in with what I think an Everton player should deliver. The best example I could give would be the Strac not blessed in the footballing department but you would never say he did not give 100% in every match he played. McGeady is probably on a decent wage and to be honest how many of us would be prepared to run ourselves into the ground for his wages I know I would. Unfortunately at present he does not.

03 Sep 2015 10:53:07
Yes McGeady's work rate could be better. It may be in the future. We'll never know if does not get his chance. I'm not saying he is in the best 11. At the moment I don't think i'd have in my squad. I named my best 11 a couple of days ago on this site but I'm not getting in to that because tham near everyone's would be different.

Swan you obviously didn't read my post. Seems like you seen McGeady and then decided what seems to be the fashionable thing at the moment and list off the things McGeady is bad at. Your not re

03 Sep 2015 11:15:06
Continuation hit the reply by mistake. Your not getting what I'm saying Swan. aflm78 gets it. I said in my posts that McGeady IS poor. I just making comparisons with Kone and Clev because they got similar type stick. Look how they done, not convinced by them but they have done enough to shut people up. Who knows McGeady might do the same. If he gets his chance due to injuries or suspensions. Chances are he won't because he's 29 and there is plenty of wingers now.

Who is comparing McGeady and Mirallas? No one that I can see only you Swan. I didn't mention Mirallas in my posts and aflm78 only mentioned him because he doesn't get much stick at all. I only mentioned Barkley because I compared their stats. McGeady, someone said got 4 assists last season in what 12 starts and maybe 8 or so more appearances. Don't have exact figures. Second highest assists and Barkley as you say in 80 games gets 5 assists. Who gets the most stick? McGeady.

I said Barkley is one of my favourites and I know he can stick which I think is absolutely stupid. Here we have a player who has the potential to be class yet what do the supporters do boo him instead of giving him encouragement. I'm not a professional football, he is. So how can I give him stick? No one willing to give me £1000 a week to play football. Yet people think they have the right to put people down that are professional at the sport.

McGeady if I'm not mistaken got player of the year in the Russian league when he was over there. Got named in the top 30 players as well as far as I know. Not bad for someone who didn't settle in Russia. No secret he didn't like it there and wanted to move as quick as he could.

He's at Everton 18 months. First 6 months was half way through the league and the following season he had plenty of injuries. Hard for any player to settle in half way through a league especially when moving to a different country. Last season he hadn't a career threatening injury but kept in and out of squad. Never got proper match fitness because he only got games here and there.

Ever think that's why he looked bad? 15 starts and 18 appearances' over 18 months with a player that injured regularly can't be judged properly in my eyes. How could you? That's why I compared him to Kone and Clev who had similar type situations and they shut people up.

That's my point really rather than this player is better than player. They don't all get the same chances or the same luck. That's why I compared him to other players rather than focusing solely on whether they good or bad or can cross the ball or whatever.

03 Sep 2015 11:20:29
I don't want to get into a debate where it looks like I'm defending McGeady because he has been poor. However, when people are constantly on your back and you know that everytime you make a mistake the crowd will abuse you, it becomes very difficult to produce. Mirallas does score more goals and is a better player but wants to shoot every single time he gets the ball and is extremely frustrating sometimes.

Think it's unfair to say McGeady doesn't track back. But it's up the other end that he needs to make things happen in order to get the fans off his back. Perhaps recently he has been focusing too much on that end.

Anyway I don't like to see any of our players abused. It's sad and generally comes from sad, jealous people with no lives. Who feel better about themselves for being able to abuse someone with a higher status than them!

03 Sep 2015 12:47:24
I did read your post and I am not discussing this any further as I've said all I can say about him. I will simply end on that I hope he never gets a chance as I don't want our players injured, hope he never plays for us again, will go down as one of our worst signings BUT, I do wish him look wherever he goes.

03 Sep 2015 12:51:12
I would never abuse a player but sometimes u have to be honest mcgeedy is awful and that's just a fact

03 Sep 2015 13:53:00
Fair enough Swan the simple point is your last post could of applied to Kone a month ago. It really wouldn't today. I've said McGeady has been poor. I will say if I think a player is poor or good. It stops at that. No need for abuse. I'm not defending McGeady it could be any player in that situation. As you said aflm it makes it harder for a player when his own fans are booing him rather than supporting him. Ironic that really.

aflm78 I like your attitude. I think we should take over the world and spread our positivity 😃 in the great words of the genius that is Taylor Swift ' the haters are going to hate, hate, hate. Shake it off, shake it off ' 😁

03 Sep 2015 16:11:47
Haha! NBTB I try to stay positive though it isn't easy being an Everton fans, however as you said there is no need for abuse and that's where I draw the line!! :) Let's stay positive. At the very least it annoys the haters lol







 

 

 
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