28 Jan 2016 14:02:05
I'm slightly surprised with the amount of people wanting to sell Stones. Yes he is playing bad as of late and dropping him would give him the kick up the arse he needs.
But selling him, really? Imho the reason he's playing bad as of late and is showing his weaker side is a lot to do with Martinez.
Last night he was played out of position. We all know he's not a right back. As for playing with the ball too much, that is obviously what he's being told to do by management.
My opinion of Stones is still the same. He has a couple of bad games and everyone wants to sell him, wtf? He didn't become crap all of a sudden. Moral is at an all time low. He has made mistakes but he will improve from them.
I still think he will be top notch. If we get a decent manager who can help him develop properly he will improve. We all know Martinez is not a defensive coach.
I'd keep Stones at all costs. Get a new manager who knows how to defend and knows how to coach defence. Then I think Stones will be better than he ever was and will develop into one of the best centre halves England have had in a long time.
28 Jan 2016 14:11:50
Well said NBTB.
28 Jan 2016 14:13:41
He is still young mate I would keep him he can only get better.
28 Jan 2016 14:26:36
But he doesn't want to be here? He's desperate to leave.
28 Jan 2016 14:33:33
Exactly Stef the blue. Keep him at all costs. Why should Everton suffer from his mistakes and then when he's well developed some club come in and buy him. Get him to learn the trade here and in years to come we will benefit from the enormous talent we all know he has.
28 Jan 2016 15:20:41
good post, sell him and we won't see the money anyway!
28 Jan 2016 15:21:29
Swan, it is only your opinion that says he doesn't want to be here. Have you heard it directly from him? I doubt you have. NBTB nails it when he says the lad is low on confidence/ moral so I think you are over reacting by coming to that conclusion. Defensively, we are not doing the right things, we are conceding goals and he is a part of that. It would have been better to have him on the bench last night rather than play him out of position.
28 Jan 2016 15:42:50
Transfer request tells me so.
28 Jan 2016 16:29:37
Lads if I got the abuse Stones gets, and I knew other clubs were interested. Then I would probably be off. So can't really blame him.
Not all his fault though, think about it this way. Your not playing well, the manager is telling you play from the back, so your constantly on the ball, with the away team pressurising you every minute of the game (because they know how we play) . And instead of taking you out the team he sticks you at right back, just to heap a little more pressure on.
I just feel like Barkley some of our supporters dissect every move they make, and are constantly looking for faults. There have been times when the press have praised Barkley for his performance, and then he gets ripped to bits by supporters. Who's watching what?
The end of the day the manager dictates as to how he wants them to play. So before you completely alienate our best young players, have a think about who is controlling them first.
You can have the best car in the race, but if the drivers bloody useless then you won't win many races.
28 Jan 2016 16:34:13
Utter crap mate. Yes he handed in a request but there has been plenty of games he's played well in since that. The more plausible reason is he is just having a bad spell, like every footballer goes through.
28 Jan 2016 16:48:03
It's not utter crap, it's fact, he handed in a transfer request, that means he requested a transfer, sorry it's a hard concept to grasp. His form is irrelevant, he doesn't want to play for us anymore, why keep him? Wait til his contract runs down and get nothing for him? .
28 Jan 2016 17:45:34
I never disagreed that he handed in a request so stop twisting things. I've heard you say on here that he has played well in a few games, all since he put in his request, so your point is invalid. What do you attribute his decent performances to?
Obviously his form is relevant, he is going through either a bad patch, as most do, or he is just low on confidence. It is that simple, that may be hard for you to grasp :)
28 Jan 2016 17:49:29
40m plus Gary Cahill or 40 plus begovic or 30 plus both!
28 Jan 2016 17:58:33
But this still hasn't answered why we should keep a player who wants to leave, he has had good games since then. Maybe he's thrown his toys out the pram again, maybe he thinks playing badly will make us sell him faster.
28 Jan 2016 19:24:55
Totally agree with every word spudv and Woburnblue.
Exactly Swan your maybe. Your last comment is all maybe. Your opinions.
Yes its a fact he put in a transfer request that was 5 months ago. He didn't get it and imho conducted himself in such a professional manner he could put players close to 30 to shame.
The transfer was denied. Until he requests another we should assume he wants to be at Everton. We can't assume otherwise as there is no indication currently that he wants to move.
We are currently in a transfer window. He had all month to request one and he didn't. So what does that tell you?
Exactly if he wanted to go that badly he would of asked to go. Don't bring up August again that's in the past where it is staying.
He's going through a bad patch which every player goes through. Did everyone think he wasn't going to put a foot wrong his whole career?
Come on give the lad a break. He's very young and is getting bad coaching and being played out of position. God knows if he went somewhere else with a better manager and better coaching he would improve greatly.
Martinez doesn't appreciate him enough in my opinion. Just like Joel. Joel is being treated very badly imho. Even Coleman in last 2 games. I don't know what Martinez does be thinking.
28 Jan 2016 19:37:39
Good post wakka57, took me awhile to get it but it made me laugh 😅.