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10 Apr 2016 23:31:12
Ed002: Am I alone in thinking that far too many fans adhere to the naive and simplistic view that improving Everton's situation can be easily achieved by waving a magic wand and simply appointing a "big name" manager to work miracles and spending millions on "marquee" players?
Frittering away the new income and investment on short-term wishful thinking instead of a proper development plan for the club as a whole - stadium, academy, community, commercial activities, marketing, etc., etc. - is, in my humble opinion, no way for the club to progress and be able to compete in the world of modern football.
Am I misunderstanding reality and being naive myself?
Also, although opinions about football are subjective - especially amongst the biased fans - surely there are certain objectives that can be set and success then measured - both on and off the field. On that score, I would suggest that RM has not shown the progress (let alone success) in the PL during his tenure. I therefore don't think it's a knee-jerk for fans to be calling for a change of manager.
Am I being unfair?
Many thanks for your comments and replies - always informed, very enlightening, and never ever boring! :-)

{Ed002's Note - The club is not in real bad shape Sid, but the results aren't great, the fans have turned on the management and the players know the fans are on their backs. The answer is change; but it has to be structured change. Everton could bring in a name manager and spend the Lukaku, Stones and television money on a bunch of players - but it really isn't that simple. A plan. A commitment.}

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11 Apr 2016 08:52:04
Agreed, as a person Mr Martinez is on the face of it a likeable person, however even though he cannot see it himself, this job is beyond him and Roberto the Manager has to go. A knee jerk reaction such as Mr Bielsa though is not what we need, careful thought is required.

11 Apr 2016 09:23:55
Sid, IMO a manager should be judged on season to season the only exception being if their club is in the relegation zone from the start to the Jan transfer window. If the club is sitting mid table or even bottom half then there is a fair chance that a good run would see the team move up the table considerably. There are fine margins between winning and loosing a match so unless you are willing to wait till the end of the season then you can't really make a proper assessment of how good a manager is. At this moment in time I don't think we should be thinking about changing manager and I do think if we did get shut now it would be a mistake. I mind what people think about RM and they have every right to want him out that's their opinion. If it was me I would be looking at the infrastructure supporting the club as a priority the team although important should not be the top priority. As long as we are not relegated then I would be happy for us to sit mid table for a couple of seasons as long as we progressed of the field at a much greater tempo that we are at present.

11 Apr 2016 10:05:23
sorry it should read "I don't mind what people think about RM and they have every right to want him out that's their opinion. "

11 Apr 2016 12:44:02
Are you mad sa90? You want to sit in mid table while we get a new stadium and a couple of commercial deals?

We've been in Europe and knocking on CL doors and now we get some investment you want to continue on this route we are on now?

Yes we do need a new manager and fine wait until the end of the season. Even if we go on a run it won't be enough. We have not been in competition in the league all season and that is not good enough. A run at the end of a season when the pressure is off is not what we all expected.

My argument for an experienced manager who has won trophies at a big club is simple. They have experience of winning trophies and running big clubs.

Chelsea, Liverpool, Man Utd, Arsenal, Man City plus many more around Europe don't hire a trainee in Eddie Howe. No manager of this calibre would settle for mid table and Neither should we.

11 Apr 2016 13:27:09
Eddie Howe is no trainee he has punched above his weight by an incredible amount Bournmouth are a club no bigger than Tranmere Rovers.
The man is a genius and has punched above his weight in the prem this season. He also speaks English, just happens to be an Evertonian as well.
If Howe came to Everton he would have my backing but he won't because it seems everyone is hell bent on managers from other leagues.
An example Steve Mclaren won the dutch league, he has done well at Newcastle ha ha ha. Aston Villa done well this season.
I know I will not get a manager of me choosing and I never wanted Martinez. Listening to all the chat I have a feeling we will not get the right man.

11 Apr 2016 15:02:32
Yep I would be okay with sitting mid table to substantially progress the off field side of the club. I think long term it would be a better way to go. let's not forget we will have been sitting mid table for the last two season with out any serious progression full stop. I obviously would prefer to be challenging for the title top 4 at the same time but just can't see that happening even with our new investment. As for a manager that has won trophies at a big club I disagree in my opinion we need a manager that has won trophies at a club with roughly the same financial clout as us. Managers at big clubs usually have big budgets and can afford to experiment and cherry pick players we can't so why waste time and money just so we can say we have a manger from a big club. What we need is a tactically astute manger that can inspire his team and is not afraid to take responsibility for their actions.

11 Apr 2016 15:09:04
They are run by a billionaire milomj. If you want to see a genius this season look at the team at the top of the league!

Did you use McLaren as an example to not use an English manager?

As for gaurde he is hardly a top quality manager is he? By the way they had two "upcoming" British managers before him that have contributed to their inevitable relegation.

I'm not bothered about country or league by the way. As I've said all along I don't want a trainee I want anyone who has a quality CV with experience of a big club and winning trophies. I've never mentioned nationality. But if you want some who has almost one season in the EPL then go for it.

11 Apr 2016 17:17:40
I agree. Sitting on our hands for 2 years sounds like a sensible way to run a football club.

Hello Aston Villa here we come!

11 Apr 2016 17:56:01
Sa90 that's ridiculous, it's a results business, the infrastructure behind the scenes although massively important is irrelevant for the paying supporter that does not want to settle for middle to bottom of the table.







 

 

 
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