17 Apr 2016 08:58:25
Just a post to ed002. I have said this before so I apologise for repeating myself but I find ed002's comments towards us Everton find absolutely disgraceful. (especially to billsadoozy on rumours page)
Always negative and slagging us off because we have an opinion and we use this site to vent our frustration.
Surely this site was set up so information and banter between football fans and the 'eds' role is just to monitor content and give opinion on fact. NOT to give out at fans for having a rant, especially after a poor season like we are having.
If I spoke to my customers (which is what we are) then I would not have any customers and my business would fail.
Every other ed I have seen is down to earth and respectful and allows us to post happy posts or venting posts.
in the post to billsadoozy, ed002 compared us to Liverpool fans for moaning and snagged 'northern' fans. This obviously means you are a southern softie who will sit quietly while your club drifts. I'm sure I heard arsenal fans giving out to wenger and Chelsea fans moaning. So not just us Everton or Northern fans who moan when things aren't right.
I'm sorry for the essay and rant but we, as Everton fans and football fans are entitled to our opinion. I am always positive at the first whistle. But anyone who knows anything about football can see something is not right at Everton and we are looking for the best solution and to keep is positive for this pivotal week.
{Ed002's Note - The site is here to discuss football transfer rumours although many of the Everton fans (a) have no interest in anything related to transfer rumours (b) have no interest interest in how the club is doing when they are making progress in the right direction, (c) want instant gratification and expect everything to change overnight after an Iranian businessman buys shares in the club, and (d) want to twist everything single thing that happens so that they can abuse the manager. So, you rather miss the point of why the site is here.
You are not my customers, and I have simply explained things as they are. You of course seem to still be struggling to understand that. I really don't see the relevance of the other editors being "down to earth".
You are near identical to both Liverpool fans and Manchester United fans in your ability to spew hate over the players, the owners and the manager of the club - so the comparison to both Liverpool fans (who are of course very happy right now) and the toxic fans of Manchester United (who have done more harm than good to the club) is both clear and correct. It is a northern thing. I am hardly a "southerner" myself. "Soft" yes but I need to put some effort in to lose a little weight.
I appreciate that many northern fans rue the passing of the days of the cloth-capped, hobnailed-booted, chimney sweep making his way across the dirty cobbled streets in the rain, rattle in hand, to cheer on his team at Goodison on a Saturday afternoon after a pint of wallop with their chums in the local tap room. The modern day supporter is typically a shaven-headed, lager-swilling, pot-bellied, tattooed, knuckle-dragging oaf that takes pleasure from going from post-to-post on these pages trolling the questions and comments from others. That is what we are plagued with on this page.
There is no problem at all with constructive criticism and suggestions about how things can be put right. There is a problem with simply spewing hate.}
17 Apr 2016 09:51:04
You lost me a bit then Geoff when you berated ed002 for having a go at us and then proceeded to do exactly the same back to him by name-calling. When Ed002 posts replies he can be quite cutting, but as I understand it that it's just his manner of speaking, so I don't take it to heart.
I can also understand his frustration at the constant hate on the site. I mean people saying they want their team to lose and that they aren't renewing their season tickets is just spoilt. I used to call it 'kopite behaviour' but apparently our fans are just as bad.
As Ed doesn't have any feelings towards Everton or the results, he can see the bigger picture. As a club we are moving forward (just not on the pitch) . Therefore when idiots are constantly focussing on the negatives it's probably difficult to understand.
17 Apr 2016 10:05:25
I must take offence at your very generalised comments.
Let's start at the top.
A) it is a transfer rumours site but also has a banter page for general venting comments.
B) every fan enjoys their club moving in the right direction. You can't say we don't care, we had years of turmoil under agent Johnson and Mike Walker, smith, etc. We just want to enjoy some success for a change. Plus most fans, rightly or wrongly have an opinion on how the club is run and that goes for all clubs.
C) we do not expect instant gratification or everything to change but we just wanna explore options now the club allegedly may have money. We do not even try to know the ins and outs of football business, we are merely speculating. It is what normal fans do.
D) there may be some fans who just want to dig at the manager and have from day one and others will support him regardless of what he does. It is the people in the centre who make informed decisions based on what they see and hear that have turned against Bobby and the majority of fans want him gone. I like his attacking football but defensively he struggles and some comments after the game are just strange.
You mention Liverpool and United fans spewing hate but no mention of arsenal fans wanting wenger out or Chelsea fans moaning when Jose struggled or spurs when they had gross or when they had 8 points around Christmas a while back.
All fans want the best for their club and sometimes they stay positive and sometimes they spout abuse, it goes for all clubs even Charlton and Leeds and Portsmouth. There is no geographical line to frustration .
Now on to possibly the worst paragraph of the piece. I am surprised if this doesn't get more vitriol. How can you say the modern football fan is lager swilling, shaven headed, pot bellied etc. that is an absolute bollox stereotype from 10-20 years ago. Do you ever go the game? A lot of work has been done by all clubs to widen the fan base and include more families into the ground. You cannot say what people look like who post in here, just as we don't know what you look like.
No one wants to go back to the old days as football has developed, in my opinion for the better, as entertainment but everyone is still entitled to an opinion, whether you agree or not.
You say we are not your customers but you are in a position of relative responsibility as an ambassador of the company who run the site and as such whether you agree or not or want to come slap one of us, you need to control your emotions and be genial and polite, not abusive.
I do agree that spewing hate is unacceptable and an opinion needs to be explained and constructive criticism is the way forward. Sometimes emotions get the best of us fans. I'm sure the same goes for whichever side or sport you support.
Been fun.
{Ed002's Note - (A) There is a difference between "banter", "venting and abuse. I delete large number of posts on some of the pages which are no more than abuse. (B) If that were true then why do I see posts as recently as yesterday from both Everton and Manchester United supporters wanting their teams to lose? You are not in touch with reality. (C) I have explained the situation in respect of Everton but many of the supporters seem to think that this Iranian business man would arrive the following day to cut the grass at Goodison and then sack the manager. That is the instant gratification they want and you can easily read the posts to these pages to substantiate that. (D) You clearly don't bother reading the posts. There is a constant stream of abuse. (E) There has been a small majority of Arsenal fans who have bleated about Wenger for about 18 months, there is not a sustained stream of abuse. The new generation of Arsenal fans are a step change from the fans of old but they are not as focused on abuse like fans of the northern sides are. The Chelsea fans generally stayed loyal to Mourinho, but again there was a small number who made vocal efforts to move him on - as with Spurs - a small percentage of the fans. I have noticed a trait from the Liverpool-based sides to deflect any criticism and try and make it about another side (typically Chelsea). This is what you are doing and it is cringe worthy and embarrassing, although not unexpected, to read. (F) I am well aware of what football fans are like. SHLSPBTKDO is an ideal descriptive of the generic fan. (G) I rarely go to games. I will attend one or two early season (usually European games at Chelsea or Marseille) to catch up with folks. I might attend a Champions League game or similar later in the tournament depending where it is an my availability. I might do a couple of league games somewhere in Europe if I feel inclined. But certainly no more than that and this year less than most years. (H) You are not my customers and I am not an "ambassador" of the company who runs this site. I am simply one of the editors - a particularly humble one - who can provide information about some of the clubs, some of the people involved in the game and about interest in players that perhaps some of the other editors cannot. (I) I have no interest in "slapping" you - if that is what you are after there are some specialist web sites you can visit to get that gratification.}
17 Apr 2016 10:20:19
First off I think ed002 is a Chelsea fan which would explain why he is so bloody miserable maybe he will be happier nxt year when there back on the rise (only pulling ye leg ed don't worry) . But it's not a transfer rumours site ed it is a Everton rumours/ banter site and the modern day supporters you refer to may very well be the Chelsea fans that you are describing it's defo not the Everton fans.
{Ed002's Note - I am a supporter rather than a fan. I don't get concerned about results particularly and I am this miserable regardless of whether Chelsea are winning the league or not. The purpose of the site is "transfer" rumours. I appreciate that only a few of the Everton fans seem to be interested in such matters.}
17 Apr 2016 10:28:02
The only comment I said to ed was he was a southern softie. So yeah I apologise. Bit of tit for tat.
Your last paragraph states the problem. Ed has no affiliation to our club, whereas we we do anything for it so feelings do run high and sometimes things get said in heat of the moment.
{Ed002's Note - You should have dropped the "southern" and should have just said "softy" - that I would have taken on the chin - or chins as it were.}
17 Apr 2016 10:57:54
Haha see ed002 I knew there was a bit of lite hearted banter in you somewhere.
17 Apr 2016 11:07:30
Ed002: thanks for taking the time to post open and honest and informative replies to the rumours and banter. Knowing a little about your own attitudes and experiences in your own words - rather than just us posters guessing about allegiances, etc., based on what is "perceived" from the wording of your comments and replies - does help put matters into perspective. I can't begin to imagine how mind-numbingly challenging it is for you and your fellow Eds to sift through the mountains of dross that must get sent in. Any ordinary poster who thinks he'd do a better job surely has no real understanding of what is involved. Reading the same stuff over and over again can be bad enough as an ordinary reader/ poster, but at least readers can skip through the posts - whereas an Ed has to read and check and decide about every post in his inbox. I certainly prefer being a reader and a poster rather than an Ed.
{Ed002's Note - Thanks for the note Sid.}
17 Apr 2016 11:24:26
See. There is a bit of a sense of humour, ed. That's better. I know some people post abuse. I personally don't and I suppose it's personal choice to read.
All I'd said is if was meant to be a transfer rumours page then drop the banter page.
I enjoyed the debate, ed and finally you show you are human with emotions and humour. Thank you.
{Ed002's Note - Human?}
17 Apr 2016 12:12:10
As opposed to sounding like a robot with your factual emotionless responses. I suppose because we are Everton fans and show passion and probably expect all eds to feel the same.
{Ed002's Note - Most of the other Eds are florists in their day jobs and are easily distracted by bright and colourful things. To me it is simply a game.}