22 Nov 2016 20:54:03
Whatever happened to Arouna Kone? Is he injured again?
24 Nov 2016 08:35:51
Kone has to be one of the most stupid pieces of business ever. We sold Anichebe who was only 22/ 23 years old for 6 million. Then spent the 6 million on an inferior, always injured 31 year old. Ok Anichebe has had a poor couple of years, but at least he was young enough to have "sell on" value through his contract. How much will we get for Kone if we sell? This was one of my disputes with Swan. Then again, the Niasse signing has even eclipsed that! (and with Cleverly and McGeady thrown into the equasion) . that's where our squad was weakened! We still need 3 or 4 new signings just to get us back to the level before Martinez in my view. We also have ageing players that Koeman's signings have added to. so a big rebuild is on now! So don't expect immediate success guys. it will take a few years I think.
24 Nov 2016 10:43:09
To be fair, Anichebe isn't good enough for us and we were right to sell him. Unfortunately we spent the money poorly and have paid for that a little. I think we need 6-8 players now to achieve anything like what we want.
24 Nov 2016 12:52:37
What happened to Swan? He just disappeared from this site, pity really he was always a good read. To be fair about strikers their are not many really good ones around and the ones that are really good are our of our price range. We did well to get Lukaku and the only way forward for a team like Everton is to recruit them when they are young and inexpensive. Some of the kids in the U18's and U21's seem like they have potential, we can only hope that Walsh finds some gems.
24 Nov 2016 13:37:51
Victor had no sell on value. We got 6 mil for a lad that wasnt good enough. He's just been released so not sure what the arhument is there.
As for Kone he score 17 goals the season before he came to us but then got injured. We didn't have loads to spend and so got someone who was proven in the EPL for peanuts.
It just hasn't worked out.
From what I've seen. Jags, Baines, Bryan, Ged, Lennon, McGeady, Barry and Kone are the ones we need to move on and get players in to replace over the next two windows due to age and ability. After that it is about improving on what is there.
The big one in the summer is two strikers to replace Lukaku when he goes.
24 Nov 2016 16:34:41
Agree with all that BlueJohnUns. Maybe not totally on some of players you mentioned letting go. Jags, Baines and Gerry may have more to offer.
All of the rest of your post I agree with. Not too long ago people were smerking on this site how we got way too much for Victor. He looks good now because he scored a few. I hope he keeps on scoring.
True about Kone it just didn't work out. Cleverly on the other hand I can't understand why anyone would give out about him. Decent player for free. Not in first 11 but versatile.
24 Nov 2016 17:14:08
The thing is. we sold Anichebe for 6 mill then blew 6 mill on Kone. Kone never had a good scoring record and I said at the time that we were replacing a 22 year old with a 31 year old. For the same money. Me and Swan and a couple of others had heated debates about this and my argumen was not about whether Kone was a bit better than Anichebe or whether Anichebe was a bit better than Kone. but I did suggest that they were of similar ability. so 6 million on a 31 year old or a 22 year old? You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure it out. Time has proved me right and look at Anichebe back under Moyes. Yes it might be a blip and he might get injured tomorrow, but right now I would have one Anichebe for 10 Kone's. Oh and he is still only 27 whereas Kone is now 33. Who would you rather have now? At least we could sellhim and get something back whereas Kone is worth a big fat zero now.
24 Nov 2016 18:34:20
Exactly Degsy we could sell Cleverly now after signing him with no fee. Bought him for a big fat zero but if we sold him now how much would we get?
24 Nov 2016 19:00:12
Good point. I am not sure but got to be over 8 million I would think. But that still does not make the Anichebe to Kone "swap" good business. Nor was Niasse, McGeady, Alcaraz and maybe others. but let's not go over old ground. At least he brought in Lukaku. On aa brighter note Osmanlispor are winning in Bucarest! My 2nd favourite team since I came across them!
{Ed025's Note - love it degsy.. :)
24 Nov 2016 20:10:50
Victor scored 0 goals last season.
Kone scored 7 goals last season.
Where is your argument Degsy?
Neither of them are worth an argument at all. Both shouldn't be playing for the club. Stop wasting time on them and look to a brighter future.
24 Nov 2016 21:20:49
Agree BlueJohnUns but the real point is one was signed by Moyes and one by Martinez. Degsy thinks every player signed by Moyes was good. Every signing by Martinez was bad. Bet he'll say Lukaku is the only good signing by Martinez.
24 Nov 2016 22:18:58
To be perfectly honest the signings we've made over the past 20 years have not been good enough to get into the top 4.
So whoever is at the club and whoever signed them doesn't make a difference. They all failed.
We're in a very new situation.
For me though Martinez has signed the best striker we've had at the club since the 90s. Barry has been outstanding, Mori is very good and should be ahead of Jags, ged is a good player but just has terrible stamina and Besic has so much potential but has his injury problems.
Moyes bought tons of bloody awful players but also some gems. However, he failed every season just like Martinez did. And no getting to Wembley is not success. Winning the thing is.
Just temember though Degsy they both had pennies to buy with and didn't have the buying power of the clubs in CL who could go out there and buy proven quality.
The difference in quality between both managers signings is marginal.
We don't want marginal anymore though we want significant improvement.
25 Nov 2016 07:04:57
I'm just confused at how Anichebe has aged 5 years and Kone only 2 in the same period of time? Not meaning to be picky but maybe Degsy can explain this to me as all the rest seems irrelevant. Anichebe sold at 22 is now 27, Kone bought the same summer at 31 is now 33?
25 Nov 2016 09:54:39
Good point bluegray. Degsy leaves a few holes alright. Like him Swan and 'others' had debates before about this.