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04 Oct 2017 17:47:25
Not about Everton but football in general. Although it has been rejected by clubs, do you think this attempt to spread the t. v. money less equal and more to the top 6 clubs as a precursor to the breakaway European super league you have talked about?
If the top 6 get more money they get more power and could force the hand of the fa and premier league into eventually allowing them to form this super leavi.

{Ed002's Note - The monies involved will not stop certain English sides making the break when it happens. There are three English sides involved right now and all expect to go at some point. Offering them more mo9ney isn't going to change things - and they don't need the agreement to breakaway from the FA or the Premier League. Interestingly last year (August 2016) there were some discussions regarding any legal issues they would have to face in terms of not fulfilling contracts related to broadcasting that clubs from across Europe are bound in to by their leagues (who own the rights to sell). A good question though geoffjohno.}

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04 Oct 2017 19:29:53
Similar has been happening for years in Spanish football with RM and Barcelona taking the majority of the TV money.

It's a tough situation because the 'big six' will be the attraction for the majority of overseas viewers (aside from ex-pats) , so logic dictates they are right to ask for a higher percentage. But if you give them a higher split to say 30% of total revenue between them, they'll push for an increase in the future unless they are contractually stopped from doing so. But then they'll break away anyway when they decide they want more money.

That said, we might win the league if they go.

{Ed002's Note - 30% is what they get if the money is evenly distributed. Those that breakaway will initially be limited and it is invitation only.}

04 Oct 2017 20:06:55
Sorry Ed, my maths escaped me for a minute.

Who would run that type of league? Presumably a new body would be set up?

{Ed002's Note - It would be a separate body just focused on that league and making money for those “elite” clubs involved.}

04 Oct 2017 20:20:36
Thanks ed. Whilst I'd love the fa to prevent a breakaway to preserve the integrity and perceived quality of our league. It will be fun to watch the likes of Chelsea, man utd, psg, inter, real Madrid, Barca, bayern etc playing each other week in and week out.
I just worry about what will happens to those clubs left behind financially and in terms of quality of the league's that will be left.
Also it would be great to have promotion and relegation from this super league. However, this may not happen for 2 reasons. The first because the clubs will not want to drop out of this league with all its money and 2, logistically it could be a nightmare deciding from which country or countries a club comes up to replace the bottom side or 2 sides.
Again thanks for the info ed.

{Ed002's Note - It remains very much an on-going issue with regular discussions on the matter between around 16 “elite” European clubs (including three from England) who meet to discuss a variety of issues a couple of times a year. Without going in to too much detail:
(a) A number of clubs take the opportunity to meet and discuss various issues including changes in rules, club versus country issues, television and other media rights, the power of UEFA, exploitation issues for new technology streams, etc.. The meetings were annually but now they happen two and sometimes three times a year. There was a meeting in December – where there was a discussion about the state of FIFA, the situation with UEFA and a so far unpublished claim from a retired referee that the result of a Champions League game was influenced by a third party. These discussions also always turn to the possibility and structure of a breakaway pan European league. Several are ex-G14 clubs, several are not, and some clubs decline involvement in such discussions.
(b) The plan is that at some point a number of clubs would break away from their national leagues and UEFA. They accept that they would be banned from all existing club competition and the players would initially be banned from all FIFA competitions as well, but know that FIFA would be looking to negotiate in any case. It would be the end of UEFA in all probability and UEFA are very aware of this. It would also result in a restructuring of many of the national leagues.
(c) The clubs would renegotiate their television and media rights, rights of distribution via other streams etc..
(d) It remains the greatest fear of UEFA and all major national authorities that one day this will happen – which has resulted in a counter-proposal being drafted by UEFA.
(e) Timing wise, two very prominent clubs wanted it to happen as soon as possible (2018 was their plan in 2015 – not a chance) and they have the support of a third club - but most are looking at 2011 to 2025 being a good option. A few clubs are looking at 2025 to 2028 and I suspect that could end up as the reality.

There are two counter-proposals to the pan-European breakaway that have partially been backed by UEFA to try and save their own skin. The first proposal is to rename and change the format of the UEFA Champions League to make it an elite closed-shop pan-European league with a fixed number of teams – and these would be the same teams every year and be based on past winners of the Champions League and European Cup and a few (not specified) more. It would then require the restructuring of the Europa League and the possible introduction of a lower-tier European competition again. Although they have yet to flesh out the detail and there is now a major concern that the impetus for this is not coming from Europe, although one major Football Association has given their support and discussions have also been held with the leading clubs from England (Manchester United, Manchester City, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal). The American backer, Stephen Ross of the Miami Dolphins, has on several occasions requested a meeting with an extant group of sides considering the pan-European breakaway to discuss his proposals. They have yet to respond but having identified the source of much of the funding (and that raising a concern) will wish to discuss it between themselves first. This has dragged on for a year and nothing has happened. However, UEFA are now considering yet another proposal that would see some places in the CL fixed (probably to previous winners) and then see it supplemented by Champions and second place sides each season. This complicates matters again as it means the re-introduction of a third competition or the significant restructuring of the EL. The plan being put to clubs is a summer/preseason tournament that will evolve in to a parallel league, and of course eventually in to a complete breakaway for these clubs. As a first step to all of this, UEFA have negotiated minor changes that will see the four entrants from England, Germany, Spain and Italy enter the existing Champions League group stages without any qualification beyond their National League position (so no entry to qualifying rounds). This has been agreed by the European Club Association but UEFA did not want to discuss it with the separate group of “elite” sides discussing the Pan European League (and that “elite” group includes three English sides) as they are aware they will get no more than a shrug and no long-term support. The second major counter proposal is a Chinese proposal from the Dalian Wanda Group proposes to open up the lucrative Chinese and Far Eastern media markets by extending the league to include Chinese and South American clubs. This has yet to be discussed by the "elite" sides as a group although the proposals have been presented to a number of them already on an individual basis. The proposals are very broad-based and lack detail - their selling point is significant additional income for the "elite".

If the proposal for a breakaway goes ahead, there is every likelihood that the big money from television, sponsorship etc. would go with a breakaway league. It would completely rupture the operations of UEFA and I would expect it would require national associations like the FA to restructure their leagues. Nobody wants this but it is the eventual consequence I would expect. Initially it could be that there is a single 16 team league with 2 or 3 EPL teams making the initial plunge. If I had to speculate, I would think (1) you might eventually see something like five or six EPL teams leave for two-tier pan European league - but it won't be based on the UEFA rankings; (2) the Premier League would be disbanded as an organisation; (3) the FA would restructure in to two 20 team divisions with lower leagues regionalised as they were many years ago; (4) FIFA would ban all players from the breakaway teams from International football - perhaps rescinding that position to stop FIFA breaking up as well - they don't want further issues but the troubles are not going to go away. I could also see many teams lose their professional status. I would think we are probably 10 years away from any significant move at this time.

I hold a reasonably strong view in terms of the need to restructure football in Europe in any case. For me an eventual a breakaway pan-European league would force the restructuring of many of the national leagues, possibly resulting in a British league with perhaps only a couple of professional tiers and then regionalised amateur leagues below that. Financially I do not see that so many pro sides can be sustained within the sport which, like it or not, will see more and more money going in to the highest levels of the game. Governments will ensure that grassroots sport get funding but everything in the middle (Southern, Northern, Conference, Division 2, Scottish Divisions 1-3, League of Wales will not get the funding needed to continue on any sort of professional basis. For me, clubs should already recognise this and put their efforts in to getting there finances in order to see if they can make it to a British professional league that will need to flourish without perhaps six sides that have gone down the pan-European route - and have gone for good. Clubs like Accrington Stanley will need to carry on as amateurs or face extinction (yet again).

The game has changed significantly and will continue to do so. Football at the highest level is big business and attracts the sponsorship it does because the sponsors wish to tap in to the disposable income of the fans and ride the back of the advertising that flows naturally from the success some clubs achieve. Long gone are the days of the cloth-capped, hobnailed-booted, chimney sweep making his way, rattle in hand, to cheer on his team at Anfield on a Saturday afternoon. I have explained that there will be changes, probably within the next 10 to 12 years, which will force the restructuring of all of the leagues in Europe and likely do away with the likes of UEFA. You will have the opportunity to see the likes of Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Juventus and the other major European sides play in week-on-week regular competition at The Emirates, Stamford Bridge etc.. You will have the opportunity to visit Milan, Barcelona, Monaco, etc. every couple of weeks to watch your team play - if they make the cut. If you want to don your cloth cap, have a pint of wallop with your chums before going off to the local match, perhaps one of the sides from the suburbs will have survived so you can go and watch them?

It was thought that a possible option might have resulted from a potential landmark decision that UEFA were to make in June or July - and that could facilitate the ownership of lower-tier sides by the more senior sides and then work as a feeder club. However – the need to make that decision was avoided.}

04 Oct 2017 20:51:02
Thanks Ed, hugely informative.

Would be interesting to see what impact a FIFA ban on players from breakaway league teams playing for their countries would have. You'd like to think many players would chose country over club, but I think the reality is a lot would follow the money which would be even more ridiculous than it is already.

I guess with the majority of Europe's top clubs being owned by overseas groups / individuals / states, there is no loyalty to the country of a team's origin.

God only knows what Sky would cost per month if this happens.

{Ed002's Note - The players would not care, in the most cases, about their country.}

04 Oct 2017 21:23:32
Wow. Thanks ed. Great info. This super league may well make fans have 2 favourite clubs. One at home (I. e. everton) and 1 in super league (I. e. real madrid) .
Obviously I'd love my Everton involved but think we'll be at the top end of the UK league. (May actually win something then, hahaha)

With this idea from China, do you see a world super league happening at some point in the future?

{Ed002's Note - people will continue to press for the insolvent of clubs from the Far East and the US but there is no support from the clubs involved - so not in the short to medium term.}

05 Oct 2017 09:45:16
Football does need to change and a PAN European league that contains an elite set of clubs would not necessarily be in the interests of home nations. You may find a lot of opposition to this and pressure being put on governments to hinder the clubs A European wide edict to restrict the number of foreign players allowed for example. This new league although being sort after by the elite, if not thought through and the opposition parties placated could end up being a dead fish in the water.

{Ed002's Note - It has been discussed at great length and in great detail over a number of years and has nothing to do with any "governments" or UEFA - and certainly not FIFA. UEFA want to protect themselves and are trying to offer up alternatives and have attended a number of the meetings.}

05 Oct 2017 09:45:51
Great insight ed.

On a personal note, do you think a breakaway is good for the game?

I know it'll have its pros and cons like most things, but would you be for or against it?

{Ed002's Note - I think it will be good and I am for it.}



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