16 Oct 2017 18:26:04
I don't know what the board are really thinking about Koeman, but as discussed below, it's not easy to see who would be an ideal replacement if he were to go now. None of the names mentioned so far are great choices. It seems the fans at least have not learned the lessons of our last two appointments and are still looking only at the EPL for managerial successors, except for completely unrealistic names like Ancelotti? There are some great up and coming managers round Europe at 'smaller' clubs than Everton, though we may have to wait until the end of the season for the best. The key question is what a manager gets out of the players at their disposal. Koeman has never in nearly 18 years overachieved, with the possible slight exception of Southampton. Harry Redknapp could win the Bundesliga with Bayern, we don't need Ancelotti. Not many managers could win the French Cup with Guingamp, get Monchengladbach, Nice or Leipzig into the Champions League, take Atalanta into Europe or finish 4th with Hoffenheim. We should be looking at Nagelsmann and Gasperini; the boat might have sailed on Favre, Hasenhuttl and Gourvennec. There are at least six richer clubs than us in this league so we need someone with a record of overachieving. Someone with some tactical awareness and some social skills would be good too. If it gets too far into a relegation battle, RK might have to go, but it would be very short sighted to sack him only to get in another manager who won't take us anywhere. I would go for Unsworth if we need a caretaker, but long-term, we need someone with a proven record in one of the top five leagues.
16 Oct 2017 19:18:25
Rafa for me.
16 Oct 2017 19:23:03
Good post coyb
Youre right about looking at managers with a proven track record
Its hard to believe that we picked Koeman for any other reason than he is a well known name.
16 Oct 2017 19:25:00
Good post that.
What I would say is that I thought Koeman was one of those managers before he came to us. He did a fantastic job with Southampton, particularly when they sold all their decent players every season.
I thought he'd treat coming to us as his next step and an audition for Barcelona, so I really do not understand where it's all gone wrong. Surely he must realise he's going to get sacked if it doesn't turn round, while at the same time realising it's not going to turn round if he doesn't do something different. It's almost like he wants to get sacked.
16 Oct 2017 20:00:48
Ive been thinking he wants to get sacked for some time now
Same as Bobby before him
Gets sacked massive payout
Lets face it he wasnt coming till we offered him 7m a season.
16 Oct 2017 20:06:16
Paulo Fonseca from Shankar Donesk being talked about having done the treble last year and wanting to manage in the Premier League.
Anyone know much about him .
City Manager rates him apparently.
17 Oct 2017 07:20:44
Very good shout. He's done wonders at three different clubs.
17 Oct 2017 10:04:58
Could always bring Brown Shoes back. He might fancy another £10 mill pay off. Wonder what Koemans pay off is.
17 Oct 2017 11:04:52
Southamptons set up with there director of football is what's working for them, don't they pick they coach to play the way Les Reed wants the team to play. Outside of Poch has anyone who left there made an impact anywhere else?
17 Oct 2017 12:55:36
True enough. That's why it's ideal to look for someone who's been able to overachieve at more than one club. There are no guarantees. Rafa hasn't overachieved at Newcastle: they should have won the Championship last season. He was rubbish at Inter, where they were way off the pace having won the treble the previous season under Mourinho. He's always ready to blame the club for his own failings. I'm not saying he hasn't achieved success - of course he has, but so he should have with the teams he's managed and he's often spent a ton of money on awful players and still underachieved. I would be happy to take a risk trying to find the next Pochettino, Mourinho or Jardim if the best alternative was taking a risk on Rafa, especially given the history. Finding someone who can improve us relative to what we can spend is the only way we break into the top 6.