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16 Feb 2018 15:18:30
we are not a big club, what is a big club? what do you define it by? is it how a football team affects the modern game? or is it the fan base, history? can there ever be a scientific criteria to quantify a football club as such? No, it's a grey area where everyone seems to have an unfalsifiable justification which delves into meaningless ranting and denigrating your debating counterpart.

it's meaningless, it's only something people who support the more successful sides say to inflate their sense of self worth because they have so much of their identity invested in a sports team, and the sides who don't do as well trying to hold onto a flailing sense of superiority, it simply does not matter. instead what would be more benefitial is to find ways to accumulate success so the love you feel for your team is remains in the present.
i don't even know why i went on this diatribe to post it here, i'm out.

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16 Feb 2018 17:30:40
i would like the people who downvoted my post to give a constructive opposition to my argument, and the reasons they downvoted it for.

16 Feb 2018 18:38:19
I would worry about the thumbs down. There's obviously a few playing games. I don't bother with it anymore.

As for a big club? I suppose it's the criteria. Could be number of fans, number of trophies, CL wins, reputation or money.

I think in the business world it's generated income. For us fans it's success. For teams like us it's long term success and for teams like Chelsea and City it's recent success.

Are we a big club anymore? I don't really care. If we win a trophy I imagine we will become a little bigger in some eyes though.

16 Feb 2018 18:47:47
*wouldn't worry.

16 Feb 2018 19:43:17
People play games with the thumbs down thing mate. don't worry. Some of us are now seeing who can get the most thumbs down. Big club? I don't think we are in the scheme of things anymore. We have the potential to be a big club again. but it will take time. I would guess regular European qualification. Regulat trophies. A fan base that sustains all of the above. I am afraid that Everton FC had the opportunity in the late 80's to invest and grow. It also had another opportunity mid 90's with Joe Royle. and in both occasions chose not to invest. Peter Johnson is one reason. However, we were just unfortunate that these were important times and had the wrong people in charge who did not see the opportunity. However, things could have been worse. Leeds United were also a huge club at the time of the formation of the Premier League and gambled heavily investing in a huge expensive squad. and then failed to qualify for Europe and therefore missed out on the revenues that came with Champions League football. They nearly went bust!

16 Feb 2018 20:04:03
Evertonthings don't worry about thumbs down down mate, there are a few on here who no longer read posts and just give a thumbs down to the person.

Degsy is right there are a few who now see how many we get for fun. If I said a wheel was round I would get at least 5 thumbs down, that's 3 less than I got for saying bullying in any form is wrong. I know or should I say I strongly suspect who 2 of them are but they just are not worth worrying over. Take pride in the thumbs down as thanks to some they have become meaningless.

16 Feb 2018 20:10:11
You are spot on with that analysis Degsy although I suspect it was more of a failure to spend when we were banned from Europe. We sat back thinking the ban would continue its full course and got caught out when it was relaxed and English teams were suddenly allowed back in. We just seem to of been playing catch up ever since.

16 Feb 2018 21:35:13
I for one down voted because I don't agree. I'm not going to justify my vote. Will the hurt and needy stop being passive aggressive because their view or comments are not the popular nirvana the poster assumed.

17 Feb 2018 02:31:58
To those who mentioned the thumbs down reaction, why are you so bothered about it? Whether people do it just to wind you up or whether they just don't agree, it shouldn't matter at all. Unless you are just writing stuff in the hope of getting a thumbs up, not that I am suggesting any of you do, to be accepted for what you say. Screw that, as long as you stand by your opinions and convictions then it doesn't matter one bit how others react.

17 Feb 2018 03:42:13
lol, my intention wasnt hitting out at anyone, i just wished to stimulate discussion on this topic, so constructive feedback instead of just liking or disliking what i said would be more interesting to delve into, also i've been on the internet since i was 10 so i know how this works :p.

17 Feb 2018 07:38:11
If you wanted a discussion, why did you finish with “I’m out”?

And why did you make the post so wordy? It only makes your point difficult to understand, maybe that’s why you had a few more thumbs down than you were expecting.

My point of view is that we are a big club. A club having so many innovations down through history, so many successes and a club spending more time in top flight football than any other team. Yes we are a big club, and my heart beats out of my chest every time I am reminded.

17 Feb 2018 11:01:22
"As long as you stand by your opinions and convictions then it doesn't matter one bit how others react. "

Does that statement include me bluepotao?

17 Feb 2018 11:30:32
Evertonthings I know where you are coming from. Whether people agree or don't agree, is irrelevant. However, I also like to hear a constructive point if someone disagrees with a post I put on. eg I say Walcott is our best signing for ages. then someone gives a thumbs down and says, "Degsy you are talking crap". Well that sort of winds me up. If they said well Walcoot is always injured or has no pace or a constructive discussion point I will accept that. But "Degsy you are talking crap" is not constructive. So I geet what you are on about. Added to which, this is indeed a banter site. not (in the words of Monty Python) an insult site!

17 Feb 2018 18:45:34
Evertonthings. My Grandson walked out against Young Boys holding Jags hand. Lots of photo's taken (as you would) , two weeks later, driving home, Grandaughter (don't you love em) shouts out from the back seat, 'Grandad, '*****' has something to tell you but he doesn't want to upset you'. He still supports the 'Dark side', yet is quite happy just this week to attend the NAC with Everton. I have to believe he will in time revert once again to the true Team of Liverpool and not the Norwegian contingent.

17 Feb 2018 19:22:30
Evertonthings, come on lad, why do you comment on this board or any other board, is it to collect brownie points? Of course it isn't. Personally I have had enough, no reflection on any individual. But that is enough for me. I wish Everton a successful rest of season and of course I am there at all the home games.



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