25 Mar 2018 17:24:56
Quite a debate going on below whether Sam is helping or hindering the team, as i see it he was brought in to do a job, to keep us up and for me I know the footy has been dire but we are now safe so whether it was down to Sam or not it doesn't really matter, I now reckon Mr Moshiri will now like most of us want him gone and already have someone lined up, if as being rumoured he is looking at getting rid of Steve Walsh and bringing in the Dutch guy and with others from the board on their way out we are going to be in for a very busy summer, we have the making of a good team, a new back line needs priority for me and we will be a far better team come the start of next season.
26 Mar 2018 12:08:39
The way I see it is that we were never in danger of being relegated. Unsworth took a few games to turn the side around and in his final game we saw a side with more belief take West Ham apart - Sam (who still takes credit for that 4-0 btw) rode that wave for a couple of weeks and then started to implement his own plan which turned us into a total mess. We limped over the line and Sam managed to fool a few people it was down to him.
You could say I'm not impressed.
{Ed001's Note - that is exactly how I see it too.}
26 Mar 2018 14:34:32
I'm with you BrightonToffee Sam was was moshiri's biggest mistake and us fans need to hope he learns from his mistakes.
26 Mar 2018 19:29:37
Me too.
26 Mar 2018 22:28:45
I know it's only opinions mate but we were close to the drop at one stage, but like I said I don't really care who was to blame but like you I want Sam gone in the summer and someone brought in who hopefully makes us all proud of our team again with good attacking footy, cheers.
26 Mar 2018 23:24:04
I don't think any team is close to the drop in November. We became trigger happy and that is what could have cost us.
We need a new man in place that EVERYONE gets behind in the summer. If he stays it will get very bitter next season and will end up being worse than this season.
We can't waste another year.
27 Mar 2018 01:26:06
Agree with all above.
We are on a massive project that we have taken some backward steps this year.
We need someone who can take us forward over at least 4-5 years.
27 Mar 2018 10:23:20
I think the manager that can take us forward over at least 4-5 years will not get the opportunity. At the 1st sign of trouble will be hammered by discontented fans and the merest threat of relegation will be under extreme pressure from the board. I think the longer term manager is becoming a thing of the past in the EPL. Unless the manager is very successful they will always be ripe for the chop.
27 Mar 2018 12:18:07
A that is why the DOF role needs sorting asap.
27 Mar 2018 12:59:20
Long term appointments do exist
Howe and Dyche since 2012
Klopp and Pochettino since 2014
All have had different levels of success by being settled
We need at least 3 years to settle and hopefully another 2 or more to start a new dynasty.
You might not believe it but I am not a favourite of chop and change.
Kendall was struggling but the board at the time kept faith and look where that got us.
27 Mar 2018 14:05:49
bw2412 Not saying long term appointments don't exist but there is much more pressure on managers to be successful in the short term. Koeman asked for 3 years got about 16 months Allerdyce asked for at least 18 months and will probably go at the end of the season. The expectation for instant success and fear of relegation often cloud peoples judgement. I expect Pep will be at City for the foreseeable future so that's 5 out 20 managers on what may be long term deals. Just looking at Howe and Dyche if they where offered the Everton post would they get the time needed if the team hit a bad run and was near the bottom of the table probably not. That's presuming they would take the job in the first place.
27 Mar 2018 14:54:00
Good points SA but I (in hindsight which is a great thing) think we made a mistake appointing Koeman as we were only a stepping stone to him. Won't go into big Sam as everybody must be sick of that debate but there are managers out there (and I'm not just talking dyke, Howe Pochettino or klopp) who want a project and our board/ management must find one this time and stick with him. There will be times we will all be tested but, as long as we can see small improvements we will have to be patient.
Kendall wasn't overnight. Ferguson wasn't overnight, Dyche went down with Burnley.
In my opinion it will take a minimum of 4-5 years, Spurs haven't won anything yet, same with Liverpool recently, City took time. We will all need to be patient.
27 Mar 2018 15:43:51
Unfortunately patience isn't a strong point with some of our fans. Then you will have the fans that will not like the appointment of whichever manager is put in charge and they will be pretty vocal. All in all although I totally agree our next manager will need 4-5 seasons to get us to a good place, I just can't see it happening, especially if they hit a bad run of form. I wasn't that happy when either Martinez or Koeman was appointed either but I think Koeman was sacked to early. Not sure if we were only a stepping stone for him, as never said as much, that was speculation. I would have preferred Unsworth given a few more weeks rather than SA being put in charge when he was but the get someone in we need a change or we are getting relegated brigade seem to have won that argument as well.
{Ed025's Note - you will never keep everyone happy sa but i think if a new manager is appointed he will stand a better chance than sam, people were against him from the start for various reasons including his past managerial record and personal financial dealings, he never stood a chance really as the fans had made their minds up before a ball was kicked, i hope if a new guy gets the gig that the fans show some patience and give him a bit of time and a fair crack of the whip mate..
27 Mar 2018 19:44:04
I'm not sure what more a manager can achieve in 5-7 years that he can't in 2-4 years. With all the money flying around and the huge sums spent each window sometimes the management just gets stale after a few seasons.
Just look at pep and Mourinho. They come in, get the best they can out of a team and then move on.
Look at the RS they have pumped over 100million a season for the last 10 years, kept hold of managers and they're no further up the table than they were when they started.
Arsenal have thrown a load at Wenger this season and they have gone backwards.
Chelsea and man city have had quite a few managers between them over the last few years and have out performed the other top 6 teams.
It's the same Europe wide.