27 Mar 2018 16:47:04
Finally, that leaves you all able to agree with each other safe in the knowledge that there will be no opposing views.
{Ed025's Note - the site is all about opinions degsy and to expect everyone to agree would be naive at best, sometimes it can get a bit heated but i dont think it gets nasty mate and if it did i would delete the thread, if our posters start caving in at the first sign of pressure no wonder the team is doing the same mate.. :)
27 Mar 2018 17:40:08
Ed I don't have a beef with you. I have a problem when the likes of Grumpy and me have a differing opinion than others and then people start with insults and comments that do not relate to football matters but do relate to our personalities or the fact that we are repeating ourselves. of course we repeat when the same repeaating opinion from the "other side" of the debate is repeated also. it is just a numbers game. if 8 people disagree with me and I reply to all 8.then I am repeating myself 8 times in effect with maybe slightly different twists. but when people start saying the stuff they have said lately. eg we are taking over the site, we are cry babies etc that is not football related. Added to which I stopped debating Leon Osman some time back yet a couple of posters came on bringing it up that I always go on about him. I never brought the subject up. he did. but I know if I respond. I am damned if I do and damned if I dont. Yes Grumpy was in theminority 2 of us. and yes I used the term "toxic" which was probably a bit harsh (for which I am happy to apologise for) but I really feel that Grumpy was treated without any respect in a similar manner to myselfso will just say I will keep my debating to places where I can explain what I mean more clearly and perhaps I will post on here again when I have calmed down a bit? But hey Grumpy did not deserve to be talked to in the way he was in my opinion.
{Ed025's Note - i dont edit all the posts degsy as other eds have access to these pages, i could be wrong but i cant say i have seen any vitriol towards you and grumpy and if it was then its my fault for not curtailing it, there has been some stick given out but i feel it was mostly in jest (like your osman ones) and i would like to think our lads are better than being vicious mate..
27 Mar 2018 17:42:38
and like I said, all of those who don't want to hear the opinion of Grumpy or me can now all agree in unison. without the contradictory views of me. and maybe Grumpy? I am sure he is old enough to decide his own course of action lol!
27 Mar 2018 18:15:26
Well I will have a little break and keep an eye out as to whether Grumpy posts or not. I do feel I owe him some support as it ended up with the 2 of us and the odd bit of support being damned for suggesting that Sam Allardyce might not be the whole story of the club's problems. What is apparent is that the fans are indeed being split down the middle either for him or against him and both Grumpy and me agreed on that.
{Ed025's Note - i think its to do with sam rather than you and grumpy mate..
27 Mar 2018 19:31:37
Come on guys. The site is a better place with you posting. Don't take anything to heart. Sometimes in text the feeling doesn't cross over. There is no reason to let a few posters who might have made it personal drive you from the site.
Chin up and carry on regardless.
27 Mar 2018 20:24:06
Have to say I agree with some posts by many posters, if I tend to disagree I will put my view point across, we each have different views, I cannot speak for other posters, I enjoy reading posts, my replies might not be me being right, far from it, I tend to look at the logical part, but I would never name call or get nasty and personal with another poster, by all means it’s good to have a difference of opinions.
What I think make some posters blood boil is before a ball has been kicked, some will slate the team, individuals, manager just before kick off, Will see another post and instead of disagreeing and putting a view across, they will target the poster instead of the real problem.
Sam is the problem, however Grumpy I do agree the players are also a part of the problem so I agree blaming everything on Sam alone is not right.
Certain players need to step up, all I see at the moment is players preferring to play a simple pass to get rid of the ball, there seems to be a fear of players afraid of taking opponents on, so a simple pass takes the focus away from them.
I do not like Sams style of play, but is this all down to Sam, or something as simple as the players just not prepared to have a go and take players on, is it a fear of being dropped, making a mistake and getting slaughtered, for me it is time the players accepted they are part of the blame, step up and lose the fear factor and have a go.
{Ed025's Note - food for thought there bignev..
27 Mar 2018 20:32:20
Degsy if this post is aimed at me and ed001 for joking about your (previous) Osman posts yesterday or day before? I can assure you I meant no malice in it and if I’m honest it was a funny comment he made in his debate with Grumpy that made me laugh as did the comment about you being related to Osman.
{Ed025's Note - i was saying to degsy, that is just a bit of banter joe and there is nothing wrong with that mate..
27 Mar 2018 21:25:27
Thanks for the support Degsy it's nice to know I have not been left out on a limb.
Things escalated on here until the point was reached where I would of started trading insults instead of just taking them. You once again have raised some really good points and in fairness to Ed025 he has taken them on board, or that's how his comments read to me.
Apologies should never really be needed on forums yet I found myself having to use them, I have not, nor ever will, apologise for my views I apologised for how I expressed them. You have hit the nail on the head when you talk about the need to keep repeating, but when the same questions and views are posted time and time again we sometimes have little choice.
I too will be posting a lot less in the future and will only reply to posts where I feel a debate can take place, as soon as it turns away from debating I will stop. I have already decided on a few posters that I just will not bother replying to as my thoughts and feelings suggest that those individuals are only intent on causing arguments and throwing insults.
Saying that though, on the whole, there are a good few posters who are prepared to debate, you know yourself mate that the true art of debating involves at least two opposing views. There are also some genuinely nice people on here as well, It's because of that I have decided on what actions I will take and have expressed them in previous paragraphs, It would be great if you stayed as well mate as leaving achieves nothing, stay and continue to be a thorn in some peoples side mate.
27 Mar 2018 21:40:22
Degsy and Grumpy are some of our best posters and encourage debate. I wish our team played with the same passion that these debates raise. We would European Champions by now lol. Keep posting guys :-)
27 Mar 2018 23:20:00
You know what Degsy, Grumpy and everyone else. We all have different views on different things. We also on some things have the same views as well. I honestly don't think anyone is nasty, horrible or has any malice towards anyone. Maybe sarcastic at times or frustrated (this is me) .
Just as the people on Sam's side get frustrated at those moaning about him so to do the people on the other side of the argument. Has anyone seen parliament and how that turns adults into children?!
However, we are one passionate bunch. We all love this bloody club and if this club is ever going to be successful again it will because of people like us - all of us. Even the moaners.
We all want one thing and it's the one thing we can ALL agree on - for Everton to be great again.
And we will. I have no doubt. Not even a little tiny bit. It's because I remember. The pub after games with us bickering over how bad we are. Some saying sack the manager, some blaming the players. Others supporting them and instead blaming the board. I heard it in the 70s, 80s. Then in the 90s and now is no different.
However - when the time came when the one thing that could save us, the one piece that had to come together, it was us the fans. Even with our different views. We came together and in 90 minutes we could change a club.
So don't one of you think what is written here is about you because it's not. It's not the Grumpy forum, the bluejohn forum or the degsy forum (by the way I love Ossie so mention him all you want) . It's about Everton and the passion we all have for it.
Now when can we sack Sam🤣.
{Ed0333's Note - We’ll said mate. If we can’t have a good bitch and moan about our clubs then what’s the point of having a team!
28 Mar 2018 10:03:39
This is turning into a but of a degsy and grumpy love fest get a grip boys you will always have posters agreeing and disagreeing with you that's the point of this site. Your posts are valid as its your opinions, if people don't agree then that's there perogative. Some post do go over the top at times but just ignore them, its not like the posts have any real impact on your life anyway unless you let them. Keep posting boys as your perspective and opinions open up some good debate which keep the site interesting.
28 Mar 2018 10:33:22
Well thanks to all of you who posted support. I have to say that you guys are not the ones I was referring to Except for Joe Mc EFC and the Osman comment. and I guess I was just a bit sensitive by that point. I understand all you are saying guys. but Grumpy toffee will tell you that when you are outnumbered on here with an opinion, it feels like the world is against you.
you answer one person's question wit what you think is a good reply and then someone else picks up what you have said. disagrees and asks you another question or puts a slightly different angle on it. so you replay and whilst you are replying, another question pops up.
Before you know it, you are being accused of going on and on about a subject! In reality, it is a debate but because you are outnumbered and the opposite side of the debate invites others to "debate" with you, you are repeating things continually. Enough said on this matter.
I, just like Grumpy toffee am going to avoid Sam debates because at the end of the day we have both agreed that supporters are just too split on him. so yes he is wrong for Everton. Not because of his ability or tactics. but because we need a united club. That does make me fearful for the future because I fear we need that united support.
What happens if the next manager cannot immediately turn things around? There comes a point where someone needs time. something perhaps our younger fans have difficulty with? and that is a question not a statement. I am away for a while now and will have a break and see how I feel when back in a few weeks.