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24 Jul 2018 11:03:04
. Usmanov looking at selling his shares in Arsenal ball Club! (Source: Sky News)

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24 Jul 2018 12:50:37
Yea I see it’s popped up again too be honest I always thought he would join Moshiri at some stage in the long term and I do think while Moshiri is a wealthy guy I don’t think he has enough to do this project without some serious finance any From another source my take on it is this was all part of the deal Moshiri would come in to lay down the foundations and stadium plans then few years down the line Usmanov will come in taking full control with Moshiri joint ownership, I still think this will happen, we should be seeing major announcements if the time time of stadium build are to go by.

{Ed002's Note - You still think that money can simply be thrown at the club with no consequences?}

24 Jul 2018 13:28:07
Ed002, I won’t pretend to know anything about the financial side of things, but have you heard of any frustration growing to the extent that Usmanov would resort to selling his share of Arsenal?

{Ed002's Note - He has resisted selling in the past whilst he has tried to buy the club outright - p[erhaps he has realised that won't happen.}

24 Jul 2018 14:16:51
Thanks Ed002.

24 Jul 2018 17:21:40
Doesn't seem to stop man city.

They just pay the fine and then go ahead and splurge anothe 250 mil.

So in that sense, yeah. When you're that rich, who cares for a 30 mil fine every 12 months? It's like buying a bang average player.

Yes I'm fighting glib with glib.

{Ed002's Note - Rubbish - you don't understand so perhaps not commenting would be better.}

24 Jul 2018 18:14:57
You are right on this one I am sure Ed but you could let him down more gently.

24 Jul 2018 19:16:16
I believe Man City have a number of high value revenue streams into the club to do with sponsorship and assets owned by the holding company. Add to that they have a far bigger global fan base than we do. If that is the case (the Eds will be able to confirm) then they bring in a huge amount of revenue that helps to balance their massive spending.

24 Jul 2018 19:32:47
I see ed002 is back to his usual self lol. Good customer relations. We are all entitled to our views eds. Perhaps you could have a little more respect to those who pluck up the courage to post.

24 Jul 2018 19:32:47
I see ed002 is back to his usual self lol. Good customer relations. We are all entitled to our views eds. Perhaps you could have a little more respect to those who pluck up the courage to post.

24 Jul 2018 19:48:24
From what I read of Usmanov, he is passionate about arsenal and wants to take control and grow the club. Not by cheating FFP and paying fines but by passion and hard work and using his business knkwledge, growing the revenue so more can be invested on the top players.
Passion I see in Moshiri, but boy would I like 2 owners who are as passionate and as savvy as them 2.

24 Jul 2018 19:39:36
So ok let's say the Saudis bought City and with their huge wealth created a brand that had grown huge revenue streams and thus UEFA refunded them 33 mil in fines (embarrassingly) and we have a very rich Man City. One that can spend 250 mil in a summer without any issues with ffp. City were very much smaller than us and only had a stadium that sweetened the deal right? I also believe Bill turned em down? Doh!

So why wouldn't a combo of Usminov and Farhad be able to achieve the same? So where am I wrong? Following the context I can't see where you can say I don't understand.
I did give the caveat of claiming my response was glib.

If 2 billionaires were happy to spend said sums on the club, they would surely be aware that further streams are required to justify their outlays? should be relatively simple for 2 successful business men right?

{Ed002's Note - Everton have to complete my with FFP, like all other clubs, including Manchester City.}

24 Jul 2018 19:52:51
With regard to spending money - is it purely assessed against money spent on players, or does investment off the pitch count to where FFP is concerned? Hypothetically- say Mr Usmanov was to invest in Everton and building a new ground, then uses USM as sponsors for the ground for a higher than normal amount; thus creating a lucrative income stream - would that breach FFP rules?

{Ed002's Note - FFP excludes certain costs, such as infrastructure including building a new ground. However, trying to find away around the rules has significant pitfalls and is potentially illegal if not accounted for properly. There has been a lot of discussion between those "elite" sides that meet to try and agree a cap for counting sponsorship in respect of FFP. If agreement can be reached UEFA would accept the figure as concensus agreement from the clubs, else they will look to impose a figure. No agreement has been reached after it being discussed on at least three occasions as I recall. There is a further meeting at the end of August in Monte Carlo but it is not on the agenda right now, but it could be raised again. Wage calculations exclude addition income from sponsorship in such cases already. It is likely that a figure will be agreed, the last statement that was prepared stated "regardless of the amount of sponsorship a club obtains, only the first €115M will be allowable for the purposes of the FFP calculation" was rejected by 3 of the 21 sides.}

25 Jul 2018 11:11:22
money can't be thrown at a club without consequences, so what is it about PSG that is different? they spent £365 million on 2 players and don't seem to have had any problems any idea why that would be?

25 Jul 2018 12:08:03
Thanks for the reply Ed. Great insight.

{Ed002's Note - Answering the previous question. PSG did not spend that money in the same Financial Year.}

25 Jul 2018 23:40:24
Thanks Ed002 I was under the impression it was counted over 2 years but I probably read it on a dodgy news site and I suppose PSG would have made player sales too to offset it anyway. It's all too confusing and in the end not really going to affect the performance on a Saturday.







 

 

 
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