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26 Mar 2024 21:29:58
Why hasn't Southgate played Branthwaite tonight. Think he's the only uncapped player not to get some game time in two England games this week. Bizarre decision. Should have started tonight instead of Dunk or at least come on for last 30 minutes. How is he supposed to prove himself at this level without playing. Just weird selection from Southgate for me.

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27 Mar 2024 11:32:12
Yes he plays Dunk instead, this reliance on players like Dunk and Maguire shows Southgate is not fit for the job. England have some exciting young players and they will be let down by these clowns.

27 Mar 2024 12:22:50
Apparently, they learned what the players are capable of.

27 Mar 2024 15:45:56
Quite relieved he didn’t play as wouldn’t have wanted him getting injured.

However makes no sense to play 32 yr old Dunk over him who was terrible in the first friendly and surely doesn’t have much hope of making himself a staring player in internationals for years to come due to his age.

The whole point of friendlies is to be able to try out players and new tactics - would have been exactly the right time to blood branthwaite who you would hope has a long international career ahead of him.

However Southgate is so vanilla and risk adverse that he’s never going to win anything with England.

We have the players to compete at the highest level yet the manager will always hold them back - can see comments in the future about how the talent that is currently available was wasted as usual and still trophy less.

27 Mar 2024 17:43:12
By the time the Euro’s come around Branthwaite will probably have left us. That being said an appearance would have helped bump up the price a little.
Let’s hope whatever we get will be enough to help the club through this mess we are in.

{Ed025's Note - the problem Woburn is that the vultures know we are desperate for money and will try and low ball us mate, the best we can hope for is a bidding war..

27 Mar 2024 20:03:59
Not really being paranoid but, do you think someone connected to one of the Sky 6 had a word with Southgate to say if you play Branthwaite it will cost us an additional £10 million when we look to buy him in the summer?
Can't see any reason not to have given him game time last night other than something underhand based on his fantastic performances at the heart of EFC's defence this season.
See no issues handing Mainoo game time against Brazil then starting him against Belgium, although to be fair he does look class (so too does Jarrad)

28 Mar 2024 11:11:36
Better save up the foil from your Easter eggs and make a new hat as your current one seems to be leaking.

26 Mar 2024 08:44:05
Have had a lovely relaxing couple of weeks. Just waiting for Everton and the Premier League to ruin it all now-.

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26 Mar 2024 18:02:27
Can’t wait for Saturday myself,

26 Mar 2024 20:46:32
Agree GB for all the negativity around, and I include myself in that, there’s still plenty of football to be played.
For the 3rd season on the run we need GB’s positivity. Keep it up GB I need you.

21 Mar 2024 19:05:16
Leicester have now been charged by the Premier League for a breach of PSR, who's next.

{Ed025's Note - chelsea?..

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21 Mar 2024 21:02:50
Blimey Ed Leicester we’re one of the Teams threatening to sue us, the worlds gone mad mate.

{Ed025's Note - it certainly has GB, this is turning into a right mess mate, i imagine quite a few more will come into the mix now and it will be a complete balls up, to be honest i dont expect anything else with these clowns in charge..

21 Mar 2024 21:12:23
In your dreams ed Chelsea won't get charged until there is an independent regulator in place with the powers to charge them which if the PL have their way won't happen.

{Ed025's Note - i think them and a few other teams will come into the equation now sa, its turning into a right mess mate and a lot of crap will hit the fan now i expect mate..

22 Mar 2024 01:26:56
I know that the 115 charges against City are more complex than what we have been charged with but surely they could be ploughing through them by now? By going after us, Forest, and now a team not even in the division, they are showing that they will enforce their rules. So why haven't they had at least one charge heard as of yet?

{Ed025's Note - it’s called corruption BP..

22 Mar 2024 08:24:27
It's a disgrace! The powers that be haven't got a clue! There doesn't appear to be any sanctions written anywhere with regards to this. If they change the rules this year it will not happen again. Why couldn't they give clubs a ban on transfers instead. It is spoiling football at the moment for Everton and Forest fans!

22 Mar 2024 08:54:50
This was brought in to stop clubs going bust apparently. Well it's going to have the exact opposite effect. Why? because the rich oligarchs who like the idea of owning a football club won't invest if they have someone telling them what they can and cannot spend.
Rather than saving clubs it will send some to the wall. If you really want to help clubs then have a salary cap for players and their agents. This is where most of the money is going when all said and done.

{Ed001's Note - did you not read what PSR is changing to? Salaries, agent fees and transfer fees will be capped at a total of 85% of revenue.}

22 Mar 2024 11:12:34
All well and good changing the rules to what appears a more sensible approach - however will that mean that city will then be judged on these new rules rather than what Everton, Forest and Leicester have been judged against?

{Ed001's Note - no.}

22 Mar 2024 23:30:12
That’s not a salary cap. That’s allowing certain clubs to pay higher wages than others depending on income. So you will still have one club paying its players 200k a week, while others will be limited to say 80k a week.
Yes those changes make it very fair.

{Ed001's Note - that is how football has always worked.}

23 Mar 2024 09:03:51
No it’s not. Remember Chelsea being sold for £1. Then a Russian takes over and spends ridiculous amounts of money on players. City’s new owners come in and spend a fortune on players. All before they had any real income coming in.

{Ed001's Note - what is that to do with a salary cap? And what kind of idiot would want Moshiri and Usmanov to have had free rein? Have you not seen the state they left Everton in with limits to their spending? There would be no Everton to support if they had been allowed to spend as they wished, so why cry about that? Be thankful that limits have been introduced, because this scenario is exactly why they were and for once the FA and Prem have actually done some good here. Not enough, it should never have been allowed to get this far either, but at least there is hope for the future now because of the FFP/PSR. Without it, you would be untold billions in debt with no way of getting out of it.}

23 Mar 2024 17:51:20
My guess is that Woburn is suggesting that having years of free spending, squad building, buying up any 16 year old that can tie a lace, building a fanbase wider than the city itself, has all benefitted City. Without FFP, we would have bought more players, perhaps of a better quality than we have, and we could have a better squad now than we do. Are City in debt from the initial spending? Regardless of course, we did know the parameters and have stepped outside of them continually it would seem. If the punishments were consistent, we’d have less to be frustrated about.

{Ed001's Note - it wasn't FFP that stopped you spending initially, it was Putin's invasion of Ukraine. Your spending spree did not exactly improve the quality of your team, it just raised the level of your wage bill and added to the debt burden. If you had been buying well, like City do now, then you wouldn't be in such a mess. This is the problem is that it is not the Prem or FFP that messed you up, it is simply down to the ownership of Usmanov/Moshiri. It is not Everton that is the problem, it is the owner/s.}

23 Mar 2024 21:05:59
Fully agree with Ed01 there: we’ve spent lots on rubbish and we probably could have benefited from a wages cap. Instead of letting people do their job, Moshiri has dabbled and screwed over our finances. We have been fooled from day one by our billionaire owner. We’ve been mismanaged since he came in and what a mess we are in. Who knows if the new stadium will ever be finished?

My main issue with the new guidelines is how it could overly benefit the top 4-6 given they have a much bigger income. The rest of us are just going to become feeder clubs for them until they eventually breakaway and form the Euro league. Then we will all officially become feeder clubs as the money disappears and the main jackpot will come from selling players once the tv revenue dries up.

{Ed001's Note - that is the big problem that you have highlighted right there.}

23 Mar 2024 21:31:50
Fair enough, Ed. Don’t think anyone would argue that we’ve been well run since Mosh came in. Let’s hope we can navigate this mess and move forward.

{Ed001's Note - fingers crossed for that.}

19 Mar 2024 13:08:40
Reading yesterday that Alan Myers reckons we will get away with a no points deduction on our second charge due to Double Jeopardy, surely Everton are not that lucky.

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19 Mar 2024 14:17:45
If double jeopardy could mean we get no charge whatsoever wether a fine, PTS deduction, transfer ban. If only hey GB.

Could actually explain why the First charge of 10 pts was so high, knowing we would appeal, win the appeal, and face the 2nd Charge under the double jeopardy rule, as most fans are questioning the differing punishment of us and Forest.

Doubt so simple.

19 Mar 2024 16:33:53
Hmmm if only Carling ran the Premier League mate.

19 Mar 2024 16:52:57
Think those that run the premier league GB have been on the Carling. mind you Champagne and Brown Envelopes be more their tipple.

19 Mar 2024 18:28:58
That would suit city. Get 1st charge out the way and not be judged on the other 114 lol. Just tongue in cheek btw.

19 Mar 2024 18:46:35
Many a true word said in jest dentielad.

21 Mar 2024 11:12:33
I think it's clear at this point that applying logic to what will be outcome of these panels is a waste of time. Someone will decide our fate, then roll a dice to decide on PTS deducted - someone else will then be tasked with writing some nonsense to justify the outcome of the dice roll.

18 Mar 2024 19:36:10
There is some very informative information in the Telegraph which is running a Q&A on how this latest points deduction was arrived at, and in language we can understand well worth reading.

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18 Mar 2024 20:35:50
So they breached by 77% more than that of Everton £19.5 million us £34.5 million Forest.

Initially docked 6pts but were given 2pts back for early Guilty plea and cooperative with the enquiry.

Let's just hope our 2nd enquiry goes as smoothly.

18 Mar 2024 21:00:40
Yeah mate thought it was a pretty good read eh.

19 Mar 2024 07:51:51
They're plucking random numbers of points deducted out of thin air. There's no set guidance to how many points deducted by how much anyone over spends! There lies the problem!

19 Mar 2024 08:22:24
Yeah kinda gives some clarity, but can understand fans confusion with how the punishment differ, basically down to opinions of the "independent appeal boards" as nothing set in stone herein lays the problem.

The Ed says he thinks Forest should have got away with a warning and fine, others I've read &:watched IE lawyers etc think Forest should have been dealt with more severely than us, why it's all so confusing for us football fans.

This years relegation will be settled in the courts and not the football field. Not how sport should be.

{Ed025's Note - im with you Mocker mate..

19 Mar 2024 08:57:18
Forest knew they were in breach but continued buying players. Didn’t sell Johnston when they should, but kept hold of him because they wanted a higher price.
We sold Richarlison to try and stay within the limits, while working with the Premier League.
The committee on the Forest case could not understand how Everton had been docked ten points for their breach, as there was no clarity to any of it.
Absolute farce.

19 Mar 2024 10:27:22
It's an absolute joke! They seem to make up the rules as they go along!

{Ed025's Note - i cant believe they have different adjudicators on these panels Grantham?, how are they supposed to get consistency mate?..

19 Mar 2024 11:25:15
Fair play to all the eds on here who have asked are questions am terrible at maths and i have absolutely no idea on ffp or psr so thank you but heres a question for any ed with this next charge of psr on the horizon if you was on the independent panel say with another 2 eds what punishment would you give to us for this psr breach again thank you be gratefull for any likelihood outcome.

{Ed001's Note - I think the Premier League should be looking to place limits on any club that breaches regs. I think a transfer control, with a limit on incoming transfers and fees payable. On top of that I would block any new contracts being handed out that pay more than 75% of the club's current average wage.

Fines are pointless. Points deductions are only worthwhile if the case is extreme and then they have to be large enough to ensure they deter others from trying to get round the rules ie enough to almost certainly relegate a club. But the biggest problem for me is that both yourself and Forest continued to buy players while knowing you were going to breach, so that needs to be stopped by blocking incoming transfers unless specifically agreed by the league. That would have to depend on outgoings ie sell two can bring one in but for a much lower fee than either player was sold, just to try and get the finances in line.

The idea is to make clubs sustainable businesses, so blocking incoming transfers, limiting contracts would reduce outgoings and also it would provide the benefit of freeing up squad places for youth team players. That benefits the league as a whole, everyone enjoys seeing kids get a chance, so it makes the spectacle better for the watching public. It shouldn't really be about punishing clubs for breaching, it should be about forcing all clubs to operate within the limits by better league governance imo.}

19 Mar 2024 11:14:56
Same with Var Ed025. Different people see different things, and have different opinions within laws of the game. No consistency. Different panels in a hearing. No consistency. This isn't how football should be. Where's the joy gone from the game.

{Ed025's Note - its diminishing by the day dentie mate..

19 Mar 2024 13:15:40
The end of the season outcome is just going to be just like VAR.

Total Farce and think this is going to be repeated next season with the much awaited City investigation the rumoured Leicester deduction of points if they come up, Chelsea being looked at and no doubt others will have their collars felt.

Most if not all fans I know of various clubs hate both VAR and PSR/ FFP. The enjoyment of the game as well and truly gone, all of which is to protect the elite clubs, it's more and more apparent.

19 Mar 2024 14:54:27
As it already appears that we have been hit the hardest as far as points deduction goes, would it not be better, and probably prevent further appeals, if the IC gave us a transfer ban for 1 season.
This would show that they are still issuing a punishment of a second offence, as well as curtailing our spending for a further season, plus giving youth development a lift.
I have a feeling NFFC will make a decision not to appeal, just a feeling, therefore the Premiership Table can be concluded on the last day of the season with all results known.

19 Mar 2024 16:22:39
If you want to make clubs sustainable ed001 then then just have a blanket you don't make a loss at all. Chalkie we don't want a transfer ban mate it would apply to the youth setup as well. We are due to loose 8 of the 1st team squad for next season we don't have 8 youngsters that could step up to fill the gaps which would probably mean we would look to give the players with contracts expiring another contract which no doubt they will want a similar wage and that's the last thing we want to do in my opinion.

{Ed001's Note - an accounting loss is not the same as being unsustainable though. You can make a loss in the accounts through things like depreciation, while the company still actually makes money. I think shifting to the UEFA system is probably the best way. Force the clubs to keep wages, transfers and agent fees to 70% of income and that should ensure everyone is sustainable.}

19 Mar 2024 17:02:40
Even taking accountancy methods into consideration if you make a loss and continue to make a loss you will eventually become unsustainable. It may take longer for some business's than others but it will still happen. The proposed 70% of income by UEFA although a better method for sustainability will create yet a larger gap between the have's and have not's. Until the PL is run fairly as a football competition and not a business then the only thing that will change is the state sponsored clubs will eventually dominate the competition.

19 Mar 2024 20:22:30
It’s not dissimilar from the jury system in our country. One set of 12 people could find someone guilty and another set not. Surely though, there must be a way forward in setting clear sanctions for failures in meeting FFP. Just a shame that we’re the guinea pigs.

{Ed025's Note - guinea pigs that are roasting on a spit nowadays JB..

18 Mar 2024 19:12:51
I would never actually think i would say this but apart from the last 2 seasons this season has probly been the worse one of my life and am 34 years old point deductions then appeals then ownership control dragging on then on the pitch when we play football its been terrible we go a goal up and sit back for them to hit us instead trying get a second goal regardless of more point deductions and forests latest one its up to our players and managing staff to see us over the line we can't keep relying on other results every week just to benefit us we need start picking up points regardless starting against Bournemouth will it be easy no but we have to try.

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18 Mar 2024 18:37:28
Why are all the media saying the Premier League are not helping themselves with the way they are handling these cases, seems everyone except them actually know what they are doing what a bloody mess,

{Ed002's Note - The Premier League are not dealing with the mess these clubs have created. There are independent tribunals. I have explained this repeatedly and tge embarrassing Everton fans have no grasp whatsoever- and another punishment to come. And likely another charge next season.}

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18 Mar 2024 18:49:05
Sorry Ed was saying what is on Sky Sports tonight, but you are right mate we don’t understand any of it.

18 Mar 2024 19:09:49
Ed 002, You say Forest should have got a warning and fine in your opinion earlier, but what you basing this on opinion or a set guidance, as this seems to be where the confusion within football lays currently, you say 1 thing then a top lawyer will say another, the premier League or whoever is governing this needs a transparent table of punishment so everyone knows the rules and repercussions.

I accept Everton's punishment and your probably right we will face yet more charges, I do feel tho as many of fans of various clubs that the rule makers whoever they may be have made a right pigs ear of this and the potential dealings of other clubs looming.

Thanks for your valued input Ed but think you shouldn't tarnish all us fans as idiots, they are quite a few elderly chaps on here and think respecting those is more important it is after all only a game and likewise you should be respectful along with all the other Eds for the valued tie and effort you put in even if at times we all do agree or knowledgeable the full details of matters.

{Ed002's Note - There is no confusion. We went through this a few weeks ago - anditis clear the Everton supporters do not understand the process, the offences and are intent on waking stupid unsubstantiated claims about corruption- it is a joke quite frankly. Embarrassing to say the very least. The cases, as with all charges need to be considered on their own merits. It would be fundamentally wrong to do anything else.}

18 Mar 2024 19:32:20
Sorry Ed but they is massive confusion amongst football fans on all the PSR rules and timescales involved with dealing with cases, don't really want to get into it as I appreciate you are more knowledgeable. The media don't help in their reporting on the matter as this is where a lot of us fans get our "info" from who all contridict themselves.

19 Mar 2024 09:03:38
It is clearly obvious it doesn’t work when one “independent “ committee can’t understand how the results of another “independent” committee’, have been made.
It’s like going to court. One jury want to set you free the other wants to hang you.

18 Mar 2024 16:57:01
I know both situations are different between ourselves and Notts Forest, what I don't understand is 1. Why was the Premier League not pushing for maximum punishment on forest like they was with us? 2. Why did the process to deduct forest points take a matter of weeks and our original deduction took months to decide? and 3. Why, when both ourselves and forest were found guilty of breaches at the same time, have forest found out now and we are still waiting for our outcome? Shouldn't the decisions have been made at the same time or released at the same time to give both clubs until the same point in the season to appeal?

{Ed002's Note - 1. The Premier League do not determine the punishments. 2. The matters are unrelated. 3. The charges are unrelated.

You need to move on - particularly from making false accusations.

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18 Mar 2024 20:50:45
Arche I think ours is delayed longer than Forest as we had to. wait on the first appeal before starting the second process. We will here just after Easter.

Maybe Ed can correct me if I'm wrong.

18 Mar 2024 16:55:12
Now that Forest have had a deduction in points I suppose an appeal will follow from them to reduce it.

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18 Mar 2024 15:17:55
-----------------------I have explained - move on as you just don't get it.---------------------

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18 Mar 2024 15:15:03
Looks like Forest are being deducted 4 points.

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