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18 Jul 2017 19:16:52
Hi Ed 025,Ross terms agreed with Spurs being reported on N S N O, any news your end cheers mate, GuernseyBlue.

{Ed025's Note - as far as i know GB negotiations have begun between the two clubs but they are still a fair bit apart on the fee, ross also wants to be the top earner at spurs ahead of the likes of kane and alli which i find ridiculous and i cant see levy buying that for 1 minute mate..

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19 Jul 2017 00:01:43
I have always been confused by Barkley's agents tactics. There has only ever been one club show any interest in signing Ross. Spurs. Spurs have a very strict wage structure. No one over 100,000 a week, not Harry Kane, not Delle Ali, not Hugo Lloris. That's been the case for years. Shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. There is absolutely no chance Ross gets 150,000 or even 125,000 a week. He will get no more than the offer Everton made him. The only explanations are either he is just desperate to get away from Koeman or his agent is criminally negligent. I think this all ends badly.

19 Jul 2017 00:08:03
Didnt realise the lad was so greedy. Shame.

19 Jul 2017 00:17:31
The lad is misguided.
Top earner?
Also heard spurs fans saying he'll have to adjust his attitude going to a bigger club?
The football world has gone insane!

19 Jul 2017 00:48:04
a little harsh on ross all that, but right about his advisors, without a doubt he has been tapped up by kane for spurs (the 2 are very good friends) imo. altho he is probs starting to realise what every football fan over the age of 40 has known for years spurs don't pay high wages certainly not to incoming players you have to earn your contract at spurs and if he is a squad players that means he won't get the bonuses he's been promised that top up his wages. yes he will be going to a good team but one were the best players will be cherry picked by other teams who will treble wages. said it before this has franny jeffers written all over it. was horrified to learn that spurs value him at 15 mill with a wage structure staring at 40 a week plus bonuses. which he won't get cause he will be busy keeping the bench warm. think about what he has been offered by efc 100 a week plus bonuses and it is hard to see what is going on in his head. this is a career defining move for barkley in 2 years he will be getting bought by city or utd (cause he will be successful) for 100 mill or his career will be mismanaged by spurs as they look to keep an eye on wages. i cannot understand why he thinks that playing second fiddle to dele alli is going to get him his england spot. poorly advised by idiots that's all i can say.

18 Jul 2017 23:51:05
Cant see were ross will fit in the spurs team with alli don and erikson in the team.

19 Jul 2017 04:14:57
forgot to say that he may well be persuaded to stay now he has seen what spurs are offering him, altho koeman's body language when asked about ross in a recent vid tells all and the sentence that we are looking for a replacement confirms it. hope he does well in his new team i really do, but i just don't see it the whole move just makes no sense to me. he must know that kane will probs be at manu or city in 2 years dele to chel we all know it will happen they are being tapped up right now in they're sleep. big players have big dreams and the afore mentioned players will have their wages tripled by moving. so they will. that's why spurs are not bigger than everton we have changed our infrastructure paying players on average twice what spurs do and still spending . things are changing at efc we are moving up now if we can do it on the pitch this season things will be on track for the future our pay structure has been smashed and spurs value barkley at 15 mill but they are a bigger club good luck ross your going to need it.

19 Jul 2017 04:36:49
In what world is Everton a bigger club than spurs. One team is a consistent top 6 club and one team is everton. Sorry but a move from everton to spurs is a step up for Barkley. Still he is he good enough for spurs is the question.

19 Jul 2017 05:26:55
Club size is usually based on honours.
Top 6 every season is hardly an achievement. Sorry but everton are a much bigger club.

19 Jul 2017 06:15:33
Three seasons ago we finished ahead of spurs until we went backwards because of a one dimensional manager.

19 Jul 2017 06:44:55
Spurs have won more fa cups than Everton, but I think otherwise Everton have won more. including a European trophy. Add to that founder member of football league and more years of top flight footy (I think) then I'd have to say Everton are the bigger club. are they doing better than spurs currently? No but that can all quickly change. 😀.

19 Jul 2017 07:37:17
And if you know your history.

19 Jul 2017 07:46:57
In reality Everton and Spurs are probably very similar size clubs. Both have had years of being the 'second' club in their respective areas, both in process of getting new grounds with the hope of becoming 'top dog', Everton won more league trophies, Spurs more cups - so as I say similar size.

As regards Ross, he is showing the same lack of intelligence off the pitch as he does on it. Easy to blame his agent but Ross must have some input into it all.

He has embarrassed himself with this greed and the sooner he is gone the better for me.

19 Jul 2017 09:23:15
Totally agree Dave1878, not ashamed to say I want him gone too, not going to slag the lad off like some do but sooner he is gone the better

Similar size clubs is about right, only disagreement is Spurs are not 2nd in London mate, i'd say 3rd but all that could be about to change over the next few years with the magnificent stadium they are building, it does look good, they just need to keep their players now and Poch but with the restraints Levy puts on wages I can't see them keeping Kane or Alli for much longer.

19 Jul 2017 09:53:45
From an evertonian not living in Liverpool or near area, I feel he just wants away from the city. I think the nightclub incident made his decision and all the talk after it made out that a lot of people think he's a but if a plum. I know it's only gossip but maybe there's something in it. Always been rumours since he broke through he likes the pubs and clubs scenes a little too much hasn't there?

{Ed025's Note - he has failed to grow up kingo, the company he keeps is not the best and he is very naive so his advisers need to look at themselves if you ask me mate..

19 Jul 2017 10:28:43
Then maybe if the company won't leave him, then maybe he needs to leave them for the sake of his career before he's another (evertonian) player who never fulfilled his potential.

{Ed025's Note - it could be the making of the lad kingo..

19 Jul 2017 10:30:30
actually i agree efc and spurs are probs the same size club my point was we are actually growing we have real money and a willingness to spend it the future is bright for efc it's the same old spurs as far as i can see and your right barkley obviously has angled for the move so his agent maybe not totally to blame but he should have told ross you will never get a top wage at spurs look at the players they have bought with bale money and since that haven't made it playing time was at a premium for these players as spurs manage their wage bill, if you don't play then you don't get bonuses this is what his agent should have told him when he said i want to go to spurs clearly he never said a word this is because no matter what happens to barks his agent gets paid a bonus for making the move happen.

19 Jul 2017 12:18:46
Totally agree Ed025. This has people taking advantage written all over it. I feel sorry for Barkley. It seems to me his failure as a person will also influence his failure as a footballer.

Failure as a person as in him being naive. Footballers personal characteristics can have detrimental affects on their careers. Many the talented footballer didn't achieve their potential because of this. Barkley would not be the first.

I'm not having a go. I am very fond of him and hope he stays. The kid can't pick if he is naive or not and is probably totally blind to it.

I hope he gets divine inspiration, sees that some people around him are not good for him. Stays at Everton and develops the undoubted talent he possesses. Sadly imho his days at Everton are numbered as Koeman doesn't seem to see a future for him at the club.

{Ed025's Note- the sympathy for ross is on the wane NBTB, supporters are losing patience with this spoilt brat attitude he is showing at the moment and its getting to the stage where him leaving would be the best thing for everybody mate..

19 Jul 2017 13:05:29
I know Ed025 and your right.

Its a terrible shame that he can't see it for what it is himself. He'll probably look back and regret it. In that regard I can't help but feel for him.

At the same that's me thinking his future is mapped out for him. I hope he does reach his potential. Even at another club.

As you say probably best for all concerned if he leaves.

19 Jul 2017 13:48:32
Word of advice for Ross, look at how easy record signing Sissoko has found it at Spurs.

19 Jul 2017 14:02:33
Maybe Ross needs/ wants to get away from Merseyside (for whatever personal/ professional reasons) , but is London too far from his family and (real) friends? I'd have imagined he would prefer a move to a Manchester club, but I'm totally guessing.

19 Jul 2017 14:20:50
Has anyone thought about his pride?

Maybe that is what is keeping him from signing with us to extend his contract, He is just basically scared of looking like a right idiot.

No doubt his agent has told him ALL the top 6 sides would be looking to buy him and that money would be no object, he has been sold that dream and it has influenced his playing as well as his off field behaviour.

It is because of this poor advice he now finds himself in this predicament, Does he wait it all out and hope other teams come in for him, Does he accept a much lesser deal at a similar club or does he swallow his pride and accept the best deal he will ever get at this stage of his career. Sadly I don't think he will swallow his pride and that is the only reason he has not signed.

19 Jul 2017 16:18:01
Pride is the ONLY reason he hasn't signed. Come off it lad ha e you read back what you sent in, ridiculous.

19 Jul 2017 18:37:01
Yes I have read it Bluetooth.

1) He has been ill-advised.

2) He has been sold a dream

3) He has believed in that dream and has taken it to heart

4) He now realises that the dream is exactly that a dream.

5) He can not back track and admit he has been stupid enough to take all that crap onboard. Pride comes in many guises.

{Ed025's Note - but mainly before a fall grumpy..

19 Jul 2017 19:27:23
As poor old RB will soon find out Ed0025 :-)

20 Jul 2017 07:16:50
i don't think it's pride that's stopping him signing, if you listen to the rhetoric about ross from southgate, and press then he has got the message that if he wants to be a top player he needs to be at a bigger club, go back and read headlines over last 2 years, and we don't know what's been said in private. its only natural that he wants to be a top player and he is going to take this to heart. problem comes from 12 mths ago when we got koeman and moshiri decided to back him financially, this sparked a change at efc then usmanov and other funds we have brought in since has changed the dimension, and from a severely financially restricted club has emerged a contender no more than that for a top four finish within the next 2 years and if we keep bringing in high quality players then who knows what we can achieve, now we have financial clout and new stadium on way and a good collection of younger players already waiting to step up. we are not the club the rhetoric aimed at barks was referring to any more we have a bright future and good players and are now paying good wages. i believe he has had his mind made up fro a while about leaving, but with everything ross seems to have missed the change or he has ignored it or taken it for granted. spurs had a good team last year with the top goal scorer and weren't good enough they are certainly a year or two ahead of us on the pitch but that team could yet lose dier having already lost walker. this is why the move makes no sense. but i wish him all the best he is one of us after all.

{Ed025's Note - good post that floats..

20 Jul 2017 07:41:06
cheers 25.

20 Jul 2017 13:27:03
Floats I mostly agree with what you are saying mate.
Firstly that he has been advised he needs a bigger club, now when he was first advised that it was good advice, we could not support his dreams, but now we can, we are a bigger club and in my mind he could get no better in way of improving his skills. In other words he can become a better player with us than he can anywhere.

Now if he has been advised otherwise and he has chosen to believe it then more fool him. I think everybody knows his best place is with Everton. Now his advisers who have financial interests in RB moving club, are either still turning his head away from Everton or they have advised him to stay with us and he is choosing to ignore that advice. Either choice makes him look foolish in the fans eye.

Personally I think he has dug a hole so large he feels he can not get out of it. Any player, at any club, know where their best prospects lie regardless of what they are advised, and again I do not feel RB is stupid enough not to know which side his bread is buttered on. So that begs the question why doesn't he stay?

I think that 2 years ago he was sold such a story of how good he was and that other teams will be beating the door down for him, that in his own mind he became one of the greats in football, the advice he took on board failed to take into account the fact he still had a lot of hard work ahead of him to reach that status. So the chances are that up-to the beginning of this transfer window and the fact that Everton have offered him such a good contract he still believes he is god like on the pitch and teams will be knocking his door down.

This transfer window and the fact that no one is really showing any interest in him (so far) will no doubt be a massive eye opener for him and leaves him little option about what to do next, does he sign a contract he has already turned down? Or does he wait it out hoping a giant club will jump in for him?

At 24 he is still a young person and pride takes control a lot of the time, I can remember many a time in my life pride has enabled me to make decisions, sometimes the right ones and sometimes the wrong ones, The fact it is in the public domain he has been offered ( and turned down ) a very good contract will feature heavily in his decision. So his advisers saying leave coupled in with him turning things down and pride means it does not bode well for us.

20 Jul 2017 14:39:47
Grumpytoffee - a good read that, but - as other posters have written - we don't really know the truth about this situation. Maybe his recuperation from surgery will allow time to revisit matters and resolve everything, but who can tell?

20 Jul 2017 16:21:43
How many times do you want to mention advise an pride grumpy toffee. No one on this site knows what's going on with his contract situation so for you to mention the ONLY reason he hasn't signed is pride is your opinion an not a fact, so you have no arguement just an opinion.

20 Jul 2017 17:27:49
You're right Bluetooth it is my opinion and everyone reading most's who are not looking for a fight know that. If you do not want opinions but only facts you really should take a long look at some of your posts. (I will make this factual)

YOUR POST
22 Mar 2017 09:53:50
Cant be going into next season with williams as a first choice centre back, not good enough. Jags is better and sadly he needs replacing.
Bluetooth

Now is that fact because to me it looks like an opinion.

The majority of these forums are based on opinions, So sit down watch TV and write a letter of complaint about the program to someone, I'm sure you will feel better ( My opinion )

20 Jul 2017 19:14:54
Yes that was my opinion that's why i sent it in. What i didn't do was say that someone is not signing a contract bcos of 1 reason only which is pride, so that to me sounds like your stating a fact by saying that's the only reason when you have absolutely no idea what the real reasons are. So why don't you sit an watch some old grumpy man tv an send in some complaints or do you not understand that either. I think your losing the plot with old age. Your boring me now anyway.

20 Jul 2017 20:34:52
In fairness to you bluetooth I could only find that one post of yours stating an opinion.

The majority of your others posts see you moaning about someone elses post.

20 Jul 2017 23:34:04
Bcos i like to read peoples opinions but when someone states a fact as you did with your pride shout i have to say that your being a bit unrealistic. No harm was meant by my original post i was just saying that i don't think how someone who doesn't know the lad personally or have internal matters at the club can say such a thing when in reality they have no idea what's going on.

I actually enjoy reading your posts just didn't agree with that one so thought i'd tell you. No harm meant, but maybe that's why your called grumpy toffee 😂. let's leave the matter at that an do what we do best an support our beloved blues.

21 Jul 2017 13:15:07
No problem mate, they don't call me grumpy for nothing :-)



 

 

 
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