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27 Nov 2016 20:33:19
I did say in another post that the players are not buying into" project Koeman"
My understanding is that are a few rumblings in the dressing room and beyond. some of it has to do with formations, player selection - cannot say too much more.
The football we are playing is uninspiring. it is amazing how strong player power is! . there is plenty of talk of big transfers in Jan but let's be honest who sells the best players in this window and if you do happen to buy quality you are paying over the odds and then this could potentially lead to a slippery slope.
I do believe Koeman will be gone in the summer to pastures new.
1.) 27 Nov 2016 20:48:15
Sorry Ed this should be for the banter page.
{Ed025's Note - you are suggesting something that at this moment in time is a rumour intel, hence it being here mate..
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02 Aug 2017 12:52:34
At the start of the transfer window EFC shot out the gates and purchased players at will knowing full well that they were going to recuperate the money from Lukaku sale - no haggling just paying what clubs wanted.
Now it seems players are still wanted but the haggling has started which would suggest to me that yes there is money to spend but not what some fans believe there is - I would hate to imagine if Lukaku didn't want to go - who would we actually have bought!
To be honest from the couple of preseason games I have seen I see no real progress:
We bought a keeper from a relegated club - klassen is too light weight for the premier league - we bought some player who cannot get a work permit - keane is the same as stones - ramirez is the only bright spot but saying that we were not his first choice club - a player on a free whose club seen nothing in him and finally Rooney who is here purely for marketing purposes.
Compare this to other top 6 clubs who are finally spending and they are buying quality players at top prices - something we need to learn from.
1.) 02 Aug 2017 13:12:30
Mr negative.
2.) 02 Aug 2017 13:24:25
Your a ray of sunshine this morning aren't you Intel, I for one am looking forward to this season and looking at the transfers we've gotten in so far I think we are stronger Pickford future England number1 great shot stopper and amazing distribution, Klassen needs time to find his feet but what he lacks in being lightweight he will make up for with technique, Sandro nothing much to say think he shows it on the pitch, have to agree with Martina why? And Rooney yes we will sell shirts and build our profile up having him which isn't a bad thing but he has something to prove to a lot of people including himself and I'm glad he's doing it at Everton.3 more players to fit into RK's plans and we will have a strong squad to cope with 3 trophies and the league.
{Ed025's Note - im with you lee..
3.) 02 Aug 2017 13:24:37
Blimey give your head a wobble what an absolute load of tripe words fail me, GuernseyBlue.
4.) 02 Aug 2017 13:28:41
First point to note is we are not top 6, also Spurs have spent nothing.
What Klassen have you been watching, must be a different one than me as he looked lively last week, give the lad a chance will ye
I was going to type more info about the players we have bought but can't be arsed wasting my time on you, you need to change your name too as clearly have no Intel whatsoever, everyone is allowed to put their point forward but yours is just negative drivel, I will pass your future posts by from now on as waste of my energy.
5.) 02 Aug 2017 13:30:25
. well as long as your happy intel.
{Ed025's Note - love it jcl..
6.) 02 Aug 2017 13:30:40
ha ha just read your previous posts, you need Prozac mate, you have one stating "not convinced about this new stadium lark" then there's another "not convinced with RK", are you a Blue or Koppite just trying to cause trouble.
7.) 02 Aug 2017 13:43:22
Give your head a wobble lad. Don't even know where to start here.
Firstly, half of the players have only played one full game (everyone gets a run out in friendlies) .
Secondly, you can't really comment on how good players are until they have settled in. Give them a chance! And as regards signings arguably our best player last season was signed from a relegated team.
As regards money, the eds are right, don't worry about it. At the end of the day Everton are a business. even to a rich football club £5m is a lot of money. If you were the chairman then we would go the way of Leeds Utd throwing the odd £5m away willy nilly. Put it this way, if you went to a market on holiday and you had £100, saw a watch in a market for £50, but you knew you could get it for £45 wouldn't you haggle a bit? The same principles apply here but on a far larger scale.
8.) 02 Aug 2017 13:57:08
Everton have made strides but the teams above us have made bigger ones. What happens in the next 3 weeks of window will determine our season. Pace out wide and a top class striker are most important.
9.) 02 Aug 2017 14:26:38
Very little intel in your post Intel.
10.) 02 Aug 2017 14:28:40
Intel your post just disrespects RK, SW AND MOSHIRI as if they don't know what they are doing.
11.) 02 Aug 2017 17:07:59
Bloody hell Intel, Mr positive or what. If you want you can borrow my noose that I was about to use during the Martinez era. Futures bright lad.
12.) 02 Aug 2017 17:41:35
Love the "noose" remark-really made me chuckle but then I tend to be a half full type. I think he needs more than Prozac! You just can't please some folk!
13.) 02 Aug 2017 18:17:11
He forgot to mention the new stadium 😂😂and I thought I was negative.
14.) 02 Aug 2017 23:22:40
The reason we bought players eat is because they had a release clause, we met them and got the player, gilfi at one point was valued at 25 million, then Swansea changed it to 50 million to ward suitors off, this is why we are haggling, as for the rest of the rubbish you have written INTEL you obviously no nothing about football, I mean wear did half the Chelsea players come from, other leagues and seem to be doing very well, we have klaasson who scored 20 goals from midfield seem pretty good to me, kean is a fantastic young defender, pickford england number one, and it goes on, if you have nothing better to do but be negative go support the other side.
28 Mar 2017 12:36:18
Not totally convinved with this new staduim lark - seems to laden us with more debt ( rent / lease agreements ) without actually owning anything as we currently owe moshiri 80mill plus to compete at the top we will need to invest heavily in the next few transfer windows.
As a businessman moshiri will help with the commercial side of things and generate money but foremost he will look after himself first - he owns half the club and he is owed 80 mill from us - where does it stop?
We need to quickly become self sufficient as my biggest worry is that in say 5-10 years when Moshiri has had enough what happens then.
1.) 28 Mar 2017 14:13:49
Whether it's Moshiri, the club or LCC it is still going to cost to build a stadium. I wouldn't worry over the finances as We won't understand it anyway.
The club will only invest in something that is going to make money and be a sound investment for the club in the future and he is trying to increase revenues so that we ARE self sufficient.
2.) 28 Mar 2017 16:43:21
We owe Moshiri because he paid off our debt interest free. This paved the way for us to go ahead with our desperately needed stadium project. FFP prevents Moshiri just handing over his cash so an interest free loan is the only way he could help us without being sanctioned, which could still happen if we get intoEurope as we will come under FIFA scrutiny.
Where do you think £300 million is going to come from? Staying at Goodison means we will never generate big club income. Moving to a new one will.
This is a shrewd plan made by a Billionaire accountant. Surely that deserves a little trust from us fans.
3.) 28 Mar 2017 17:34:13
According to a boffin from manchester university it will be under water in 80 years time anyway due to the mersey rising with global warming. What a killjoy he is.
4.) 28 Mar 2017 19:14:12
Couldn't care less what it costs. It's well outside my circle of influence. It's a step on the road to the success I want our younger supporters to taste. You've got to be enjoying the ride at present.
5.) 28 Mar 2017 23:16:32
In 80 years time we can just say we have a purpose built moat around the stadium.
6.) 29 Mar 2017 20:55:02
At that rate Southport should sink in around 5 years .
{Ed025's Note - it sank a long time ago jonno..
10 Jan 2017 11:48:22
Quite interesting when you look at stats and compare against last year ( only half of this season gone) .
In total our attackers ( luk / bark / kone / mirallas / lennon and del) scored 42 league goals and between them had 22 assists but this year so far they have scored 16 goals and only 7 assists - lennon and kone scored 10 of these goals and I cannot see where these are going to come from when they are not played on a regular basis.
the old adage of don't fix it if it ain't broke springs to mind - the defence needed fixed but has it - we are still leaking goals but our attack play has dropped dramitically and this all points to Koeman and his tactics and formations
1.) 10 Jan 2017 13:06:20
Or the players mentioned are in poor form. Or in Kone case just not good enough.
2.) 10 Jan 2017 13:51:02
11th now 7th. Much better statistic to go off!
3.) 10 Jan 2017 14:01:27
O my god! People want Martinez back? :- (
4.) 10 Jan 2017 14:54:42
Utter madness NBTB!
5.) 10 Jan 2017 15:52:55
So we should be playing Kone and Lennon up front. That's were we've been going wrong.
08 Jan 2017 13:09:04
I personally do not think RK is the right person for the club as he is a modern day mercenary just like Pep and Jose are. these types of managers go to clubs when they are promised a shed load of cash to spend on players. they are not true managers.
RK only came to EFC as he was promised money from the new shareholder but it now seems that there is money there but not what RK was thinking hence the reason for dragging over heels on certain players - some people are say just spend the extra 2 mill etc and get the player in etc but these extra 2 mill soon add up over a few transfers and EFC are just not at the stage of throwing money away.
For this reason that is why I like Moyes. worked with what he had and did a great job - Koeman on the other hand does not seem prepared to work with what is availabale and starts moaning and hinting at he requires new players all the time - just a personal obseravation.
As a EFC supporter of more than 44 years I want success but I do not see it with RK unfortunately
1.) 08 Jan 2017 13:52:27
Give him a chance for gods sake, he's come in to a totally disgruntled football club in every capacity and you expect over night success, give your head a wobble.
2.) 08 Jan 2017 14:01:25
If he isn't happy with the squad he inherited then keeping quiet isn't going to help him. He needs to speak out to push for change. He said it would take 2 years, so judge him in 2 years rather than just shortly after 4 months.
3.) 08 Jan 2017 14:06:11
It's a bit early to judge RK, especially since the squad he inherited hasn't been overhauled too much. It's also a bit daft to label him a mercenary just yet, we did, after all, court him despite his club saying he was unavailable. RK was happy to stay at the saints but we, as a club, persevered and pulled out all the stops to get him. The board had to make him an offer he couldn't refuse and promise him the funds to pay for the massive rebuilding job he faced by taking over the reigns.
DM did a good job in a financially restricted period. But we are in a different era now with a total different set up. When RK joined he said it would take a few windows to get the players in that he believes can have the club competing for the top 4 and trophies. We are in the second window of a two year project so there is no need for knee jerk reactions. Nothing has changed in the months that he has been with us.
Only time will tell if RK is the right man for the job but, as fans, we have to believe he will get it right and we must get behind whoever dons the shirt on match day. This year was always going to have its ups and downs as he finds the right formation and gets the right additions to bolster and improve the squad. Some on here don't like the word but we are in transition and patience from us fans is needed. There is a lot to look forward to, the club is moving in the right direction so we shouldn't moan and groan too much. I will, however, agree with the doom mongers if we are in the same position this time next year but I truly believe that the club will continue to improve both on and off the pitch
4.) 08 Jan 2017 14:26:24
Unfortunately intel, that is football in the modern era. There is too much money at stake and nepotism is rife. I think the likely hood of an up and coming manager being given the opportunity to manage a top tier club has passed. I liked DM and like RK's honesty and think he may actually be good for the club time will tell on that though.
5.) 08 Jan 2017 14:33:11
INTEL that post it just a joke how can u say that the manger is clearly sayin thw club needs player which we all cam see tje squad ia terrible an your more worried the manger is not the ryr man after a few months in the job what a joke
{Ed025's Note - for me the manager is the least of our problems callum..
6.) 08 Jan 2017 14:56:14
We new the last window we where short 24th hour valncia deal was desperation. The manager requires support.
7.) 08 Jan 2017 18:02:33
Just don't understand how people can blame koeman teally tho is expectations are high with the player we are linked with i just think its hard to blame him personally i think he is the right man for the job an we need to get behind him
{Ed025's Note - im the same callum mate, sometimes the manager is not the fault but the mentality of the players, i believe that this is exactly what is happening at west ham..
8.) 08 Jan 2017 22:20:36
100% agree with you ED. If they had the same attitude as the manager they would be in that top 4. They have talent but lack the ambition.
What I've heard from the players since Koeman started:
Standards slipped with the previous manager with people turning up late for training.
Training is now longer with the new manager.
Training is more intense
The manager told me to lose weight.
The manager wants us to train together and less segregated.
The manager wants us to work harder.
The manager wants us to make less mistakes and become more accurate with the ball.
The manager wants everyone to take responsibility on the pitch.
The manager wants us to defend in all areas of the pitch.
Everytime it's from the manager. How many follow these simple instructions on the pitch. How many for 3 years became lazy and cared less and less.
It's not this manager letting us down it's the players that have been getting away with poor standards on and off the pitch. This manager won't stand for it the same as us fans.
9.) 09 Jan 2017 00:20:56
You have hit the nail right on the head there BlueJohnUns
21 Dec 2016 10:57:55
I am in the Koeman out camp if there is one. how can he say we were outstanding in the derby - playing at home we had one header on target. not good enough.
Koeman must have had a say in the recent contract renewals - Barry has a one year extension - the man has a good football brain but his legs are gone hence the reason he picks up so many yellow cards - the wages etc should be used elsewhere.
I also believe Niasse should be given a run - he has played minutes in the first eleven but Koeman says he is free to leave, the man has scored 7 goals this year in our reserves team but is deemed not worthy enough - I don't care what he has done of the field I just want goals for the team.
My last point is about Moshiri - after taking a quick look at the financials I see the 80 mill loan - he has EFC over a barrell now as at any time he can call the loan in - this is what smart business people do - we may be debt free due to this loan but when we have to by players where is the money coming from.
1.) 21 Dec 2016 11:13:54
Blimey give the guy a chance, what a load of old tosh, GuernseyBlue.
2.) 21 Dec 2016 11:23:13
So let me get this right Intel.
You are unhappy with Koeman.
You are unhappy with the team.
You are unhappy with the contract renewals.
You are unhappy the club has Moshri.
You are unhappy we are now debt free.
I bet you are a right bag of laughs on christmas day.
3.) 21 Dec 2016 11:26:12
There is certainly a Koeman Out camp. Just one member though. Turn the lights out in the way out.
4.) 21 Dec 2016 11:27:20
Unfortunately I have to agree with Intel, not about Niassi though.
With any new manager it takes time but there should be signs of progress and with Koeman I see none.
I feel we need a young dynamic manager at this time and British as overseas coaches tend to only be good with teams that are pretty good anyway and have loads of money for players.
We have a very bad team and there is not that much money for players, we are on a downward cycle that is getting worse under this manager.
Martinez destroyed our team we need a special manager to correct this and Koeman is clearly not this man.
5.) 21 Dec 2016 12:35:54
Hi folks as said before give the guy a chance we have a new manager new owner, and a new stadium in the pipeline it is ridiculous to say RK out, it's already been stated up to eight players need to be moved on in the next two windows, I think Having a new owner is our best Christmas present we have had in years Give It Time, I won't be replying to any more of this rubbish, seasons greetings to you all, Sunday week here we go again Ho, Ho, Ho, GuernseyBlue.
6.) 21 Dec 2016 12:44:47
prize for biggest load of tosh spouted in 2016 goes to milom for "overseas coaches tend to only be good with teams that are pretty good anyway"
Apparently in a world of 200+ countries and 7 billion+ people, a small island in Europe with.
7.) 21 Dec 2016 13:15:51
Intel, here's a quick summary of your concerns.
1) The first half, without creating an awful lot, we played pretty well. A blind man could see that the game v Arsenal was a mass improvement on previous fixtures and the first 45 mins of the derby was also a step in the right direction.
2) Barry has been picking up cards throughout his career, sure he is up there with the most yellow's in the premiership era. It's not as if they have all come since he joined us. At the minute, he is better than most in his position at the club. We need his experience in and around the squad. He won't play every game but he has a season in him.
3) Niasse? Even the man who bought him couldn't justify playing him. The rumours are that he is not up to the standard required in this league. Sure, he hasn't been given many opportunities but they must see in training that there is something missing. The lad has been here a year and not kicked on, time to cut our losses regardless of how many he has scored for the U23's. It's not so much what he has done off the field as it is what he hasn't shown on the pitch.
4) Moshiri has been here less than a year. He bought into a club that had lost direction on the pitch under the previous manager, to a certain degree we are still affected by that period. He has changed/ is changing the structure of the club from top to bottom, how long did you think this would take? Ed002 always tells us that we should steer clear of the finances and he is right. You have had a 'quick' look at the finances? Tell me what you understand about running a club financially. We can all look but it doesn't mean we understand. You're right, he is a business man so I expect him to make his 80m worth a lot more when the time comes for him to sell up. But, from what I've heard the man say in interviews, he is here for the long term. He has said there is money to spend so let the window open first and see what happens before second guessing whether we can spend or not.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, when a new manager comes in it is a transitional period. We were unlucky in the summer whereas the euro's hampered RK from assessing what he had inherited. Time is needed, plus a transfer window or two.
Milom, name one young dynamic and British manager. Don't mention Howe either, the man was homesick the last time he moved north. It is too early to dismiss RK so easily. We have seen improvement in the last two games, v Arsenal and then for 45 minutes of the derby. We just need a bit more creativity and to get rid of those who are on the fringes, obviously replacing them with better quality. The future is nowhere as near as bleak as you two make out. Patience boys.
8.) 21 Dec 2016 13:50:53
Amen spud.
9.) 21 Dec 2016 15:22:59
Good post spud. I agree with the taking time to change. Apart from a couple of signings, Koeman inherited a team that played a certain way. It takes more than 3 months to remove certain aspects of how a team plays. They will keep lapsing into the Martinez way of playing, but gradually that will go away. We have a window coming up and players will leave and others come in. You can't judge Koeman by using Martinez players. Judge him when he changes the team to his own.
10.) 22 Dec 2016 00:45:42
Martinez did do our club terrable damage, but the man who is ultimatley responsible for that, is Bill Kenwright. Firstley, a truley dredful appiontment, (but we all make mistakes) the real disgrace, was not haveing the guts to fess-up to the mistake and give him almost 3 years to almost destroy one of the worlds great football clubs.
Give him the time and the money, Koeman will turn it around, but it realey is time for Kenwright to step down.
11.) 22 Dec 2016 07:10:39
JCW, I don't think that Martinez was a 'terrible appointment' at first. He gave us one fantastic season. Kenwright's mistake was giving him a fat 5 year contract after that one good season. This meant that after an awful season BK was unwilling to let him go due to the cost (let's put into context the fact that we paid the fraud £10m when we sacked him) .
12.) 22 Dec 2016 09:02:04
The one great season he gave us was with Moyes' team and players with the addition of Lukaku's goals. All his other signings were inferiior players to what we had previously had. The league tables do noy lie!
13.) 22 Dec 2016 10:27:04
I agree that he deceived us with the good season. If he hadn't been given a bumper contract after the first season then I think he would have been sacked a lot earlier. I don't pine for Moyes the way you do Degsy but it would be interesting to see what Moyes would have done if he had a striker like Lukaku. Probably made him into a 10 goal a season striker by forcing him to work the flanks! But you never know. I think the age of the squad is a massive issue, Koeman certainly has his work cut out for him finding younger players and Walsh has a big task getting value out of the signings.
14.) 22 Dec 2016 11:26:41
I don't pine for Moyes. but I certainly appreciate that he took over at a very turbid time and left us in a much healthier state that RM managed to ruin in 3 short years. The rebuilding by Koeman is from the bottom up.
15.) 22 Dec 2016 12:34:29
To be fair I think short term he may have ruined us. It will be interesting to see how many of his young signings such as Holgate and Galloway progress. If we are working on potential alone they could both be our centre half pairing for many years. It will also be interesting to see what becomes of Lukaku and Deulofeu at this club (assuming either of them stick around) .
Another part which we may have to give Martinez credit for could be the changes he implemented at the training/ academy level (although I admit that for all I know all of that may have been scrapped! )
We are certainly in a season of great transition. By the end of next summer, I imagine the only diamond relics of Moyes' reign left in the squad will be Coleman and Baines. A year after that and apart from the youngsters I doubt that any trace of Bobby's cubic zirconia will still be here. Hopefully Koeman's reign will prove more fruitful that both of his predecessors!
27 Nov 2016 20:48:15
Sorry Ed this should be for the banter page.
{Ed025's Note - you are suggesting something that at this moment in time is a rumour intel, hence it being here mate..
27 Jan 2017 11:11:02
I do pray that Niasse bangs them in for Hull will make Ronny look like a real plonker then at least martinez tried him for a few minutes here and there but Ronny told him straight away and publically that he had no future at all.
If and a big if he does impress at Hull the way he has been treated I doubt he would want to come back - could be another one that gets away only time will tell
21 Nov 2016 12:15:30
I am passionate Evertonion but have to agree with Skylark. RK seems to be going through the motions a bit. he has a track record of going on to bigger things if the opportunities arise hence the reason I am not buying into the "project" so to speak. he does speak his mind which is a good thing but some of the players are not having it. I have heard players such as Del boy are looking away whether it be this jan or the summer.
In regards to the conman ( martinez) yes he did talk a good game and you have to remember his first season with us plus the cup runs - no trophies but at least it gave the supporters something to support. with this current manager I do not see the same happening. I was for keeping martinez and give him a few bob to spend or give the job to Unsworth with Big Dunc as assistant - could we be in any worse situation.
31 Aug 2016 14:45:05
have to agree with what you have said. at the start of the window we brought in the GK and Gueyre - the amount spent on both is what you would typically spend when bolstering your squad. the rest of the money has been spent once Stones was gone ( we replaced a young defender- yes he wanted to leave with a ageing defender and spent 20odd mill on an attacker)
So yes we have spent what we have recouped in essence and even tho I am happy with the players brought in I was led to beleive we would be spending more on players that could push us forward towards European footy.
08 Aug 2016 23:50:31
I would have rather no investor and someone like Moyes in charge the way things are going at the moment. if these rumours of 135k per week for Rom are true ( papertalk ) this to me smacks of desperation from the club - there are strikers out there for 30-40mil who in my opinion would score 20 plus per season but for some reason the club will not sellRom for 60 mill even though it is quite clear from his representitives that he wants out. I do fear we could get hammered on Saturday.