Everton Banter Archive February 10 2015

 

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10 Feb 2015 20:46:25
Why tinker with a the goalie position; robles deserves to keep his place. Never thought I be saying that.

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Agreed. Go with the hot hand. We need to use the rest of the season to test the young talent. we can get to the top half of the table, and who knows with Europa.

Let Garbutt know he can get a game here. Get Barkley out there, whether to get him experience or showcase him. Keep Lukaku out there, play Oveido left mid with Baines or Garbutt

Yes a top five is gone, and there are at least 3 super awful teams that will get relegated. So use the rest of the seasion to prepare.

Perhaps Tim will end up in Atlanta or Orlando next year where I can catch a match, and perhaps Everton can pocket some change selling him.

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I keep saying we should give Barkley a go up front. His strengths are: he is a big strapping lad, quite a bit of skill, he can shoot, dribble, go past defenders and turns well. All needed for a decent center forward. His weaknesses are: he fades in games, makes wrong decisions when under pressure and gives the ball away when taking too many on.all things you don't want from a midfielder. but matter less up front. It would improve his development and not harm the team at the same time.

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11 Feb 2015 10:55:57
it would harm the team as he won't score and the only player he's beat is arteta (who my granddad could run past), him upfront would be terrible, he can't hold the ball up and can't shoot, unless its over the bar.

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He either needs to be sent back out on loan to learn by his mistakes or knuckle down in training and watch video's of how to create space with movement off the ball, in fact spend the rest of the season studying David Silva.

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Are you talking about Barkley or Lukaku swan? Could be describing both.

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11 Feb 2015 13:35:16
Im describing rossthenotsoboss barkley mate, lukaku is annoying but gets no service, and he gets less service playing with barkley, who just shoots. Barkley hasn't got the intelligence to be anything like silva, he's just a big weak dope that thinks he's elegent on the ball because he can shoot with his weaker foot into the stands.

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Funny you saying that bluegray87.as I read Swan's post I was thinking. he could be talking about Lukaku not Barkley. Swan, I can't see how it would harm the team. 1. at least the positions where he would lose the ball would be further up the pitch 2. he can't do any worse than Lukaku at present 3. he might just learn how to hold the ball up. But my crystal ball is obviously not as good as yours.

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Point being though degsy is he shouldn't be losing the ball, I was one of Ross' plaudits last season and defended him by stating naivety and lack of first team opportunities as the reason for his mistakes. Got to agree with swan on this one he offers little to nothing going forward and I believe he fell into the trap of believing his own hype. Don't get me wrong there is potential but he needs to realise that sooner rather than later and maybe a stint on loan to a championship club could just help the way Colemans stint at Blackpool did.
As for Lukaku he needs to practice staying onside and using his strength although I do agree with the little to no service which is frustrating to watch so could imagine how it would be playing that way.
We need to sacrifice Barry and play with 2 up top and actually look like we are going into a game looking to score.

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It's a poor reflection on Barkley himself and on the Everton coaching staff that someone who was selected for England a few months ago cannot hold down a permanent position in Evertons first eleven.

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10 Feb 2015 19:45:51
2 questions. 1.can anyone confirm that vinny oconnor is an evertonian? My dad says he is and says his phone went off in an interview with benitez and z cars was his ringtone. Yet his twitter is filled with liverpool news and he's always outside melwood on deadline day. 2.why doesn't my profile pic load? I see sid has a cow and dolphin, I can see that, mine is of our future midfield maestro, I thought maybe it was my phone but I tried on my dads phone, my computer and my mates computer and nothing. When I go on my profile it says current avatar and current profile pic (dont know the difference, I have the same pic for each) with a pic of him yet he doesn't show on my posts? When I uploaded it said I need confirmation from an ed, I obviously have that is the picture is there but its not appearing next to my name like other posters?.

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{Ed025's Note - i will look into the avatar bit mate..

I'm guessing O'connor is a red

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I can categorically tell you that Vinny is a massive blue, FACT!!!

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Who'd have thought eh

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Ginny is de finitely a blue. I've known his family for years and been to Everton games with him when he was younger.

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10 Feb 2015 19:41:11
I really believe we can stay up now with the remaining fixtures and our slight improvement in form. However, exactly one year ago I put a post on that created some reaction that I will say was less than supportive. Even you Ed025 labelled it as negative and unwarranted. Others were even more scathing. I repeat the basis of that post now. We have a rapidly ageing squad that consists of (and this was 12 months ago) of 7 or 8 players who will be past their best at the end of 2015. The players I listed were: Howard, Hibbert, Distin, Alcaraz, Gibson, Osman, Pienaar. and at the time Barry was only on loan. One year later and my fears have been further compounded by the addition and subsequent removal of Eto'o and the permanent signing of Barry. I added that when a squad endures a complete overhaul of such magnitude, it takes at least 6 months to settle down and get results. I gave Sunderland as the classic example and they were rooted to the foot of the table at the time. Certain posters said such comments as, "utter tosh". They added that Chelsea and Man City had undergone such changes and were doing ok. This is not quite true, because these two squads were changed at a rate of 3 or 4 players per season. They also have many players on loan who have been integrated into their squads on a drip basis. in and out of the squad as necessary. eg Chelsea have 26 players signed but out on loan. Anyway, back to the facts. Martinez seems to have a policy of not looking too far for players (Besic excepted) and all his signings to date have been what I would call "easy signings". Compare that with Moyes signing from local Irish league, 1 player from a couple of relegated teams, Greek League unknown League 1 players etc. As well as the 7 or 8 mentioned above, we will also soon need to replace Eto'o .possibly Mirallas, Jags, McGeady (he just seems not good enough) Kone, Atsu (will no doubt return to Chelsea) and Garbutt if rumours are true. I make that a total of possibly 15 players leaving in the next season. It also makes no allowance for long term injuries of which every squad suffers at least one or two a season. No squad can adjust to this level of change and cope. I blame Martinez for replacing Anichebe with Kone. Also bringing in Barry, Alcaraz and Eto'o all of which were at best short term solutions to boost numbers. Now the killer bit.Even if we survive relegation this season, I really doubt that Martinez has the ability to bring in 15 players of quality to keep us remaining in the Premiership next season. In fact I doubt there is a manager out there with that ability. The damage is already done. Call me negative, but I predicted our current situation in a post dated 26th Feb 2014 against a backdrop of abuse and criticism. I am a very sad Blue.

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Oh ffs I give up.

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10 Feb 2015 22:52:31
Please get your coat

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Degsy, are you El Bob's evil twin and total opposite? Come on mate things are not total doom, there are 5 or 6 kids coming through that should be there or there about's come next season for a start.

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Nostradamus strikes again! I predict 9 out of 10 people will have read only 2 lines of that post before scrolling to the bottom seeing who posted it and realising they made the right choice! Turn it in Degsy and stop with these I predicted posts Please. Thanks.

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11 Feb 2015 01:00:33
Same old story from DP complete with whinge to prove he's 'right'. Nice to see that he hasn't specifically mentioned Swan this time. This is a banter site - don't expect everyone to agree and stop crying when they don't.

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Fair play guys. Even my son is saying I am a miserable git.but I can't help my gut feelings. The way I look at it and see things developing means I am really down about the state of the club.to try and turn it into a positive. the only way I can imagine a different scenario is that we survive this season, immediately sack RM, bring in a new manager and start the wholesale changes needed. In a best situation scenario, we squeeze more seasons out of Jags, Osman, Howard (who stays as number 2 to Robles), Mirallas signs a new contract, McGeady's form improves and Garbutt signs a new contract. That would mean we only lose 9 players to age. Still too many in my opinion, but manageable over say 2 seasons. Surely if I put this more positive slant on things, you can see where my concerns are coming from? Got to go. mogadons await me!

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11 Feb 2015 10:50:25
This is the reason I retired my original name Degsybluenose, got mixed up too many times

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Well I suppose I could have come on and said: Everything is going great. Barkley and McGeady will soon develop a magical understanding and when they do Lukaku will reap the benefits. Barry and Kone and Osman and Pienaar have at least 5 years each left in them due to the new super vitamin drug which they are taking. Alcaraz had no pace to start with so whatever pace he loses with age will make no difference anyway. Eto'o was crap andwe won't miss his goals, Mirallas will see the light as will Garbutt.and due to refs being totally fair to us we will not suffer another injury for the next two years. Kone will turn into a youthful goalscorng machine as will Lennon when he looks a bit happier signing his 8 year contract extension. Sky will change the terms of the new TV deal to ensure EFC get at least 50% of the 5 billion. Would that make everyone happier?

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10 Feb 2015 19:00:07
If Howard starts tomorrow I think we should get the chant going round Joel in goal until nobby martinez makes the change.

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To start in my opinion.

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10 Feb 2015 16:37:38
Let's be positive folks. We never lost to the reds! Let's see what we do against Chelsea! If we get a draw I think we'll be happy . Do you think Howard should get back into the team? I don't . Robles deserves to stay in the team on his past performances.

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{Ed025's Note - joel for me as well lemur..

If Timmy No Dive walks back into the team, then Joel should put in a transfer request and refuse to play for the club ever again. Otherwise what is the point? On what basis should he be dropped?

We are Everton
#Wedontwinanything
That's what we do
We're sh*t

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{Ed025's Note - i really need to argue with you mike...im just waiting for a good opportunity.. :)

What message does it send out if Joel gets dropped. What will it do to his confidence. The lads just kept 3 clean sheets on the bounce! That's not easily achieved in the premier league. I like Howard he's been a good player for us but Joel had his chance and he's took it! I think every 1 in our squad deserves the right to earn a place in the first 11

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{Ed025's Note - your right kingy..

For me Robles must stay in goal. I'd rather have Frankie Howard in goal as oppose to Tim.

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{Ed025's Note - eer no listen...tims still a good keeper.. :)

Ssn have just said that Timmy No Dive is playing tomorrow. If that is true then it's time for Joel to hand in his transfer request.

We are Everton
#Wedontwinanything
That's what we do

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Agree with all above posters. Robles doesn't deserved to be dropped at all. He seems to be slowly finding his feet. We have just kept three clean sheets on the spin, yes ok the whole back four have had something to do with that as well, but credit were credits due Robles has more than played his part. Typical Martinez picking his favourites again.Robles, s confidence will surely take a knock hearing this from the manager.Dracula Howard should be made to bide what time he has left at the club on the bench, like Robles has done and wait for another chance.

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{Ed025's Note - sounds fair to me jimmy..

Agree with all the above, he has earned his place on merit, won over the fans for support and should be kept in the side. Should he start making mistakes on a regular basis then that's the time to consider the change.

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You are all missing the point, our team isn't picked on merit its picked on name alone. Martinez ain't got the balls to drop any of his favourites. It's no coincidence that the defence is playing with confidence with a keeper behind them that they trust. But brown shoes won't see it that way.

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I totally agree, I was one to slate joel when he first came in but by god has he proved me wrong, he deserves to stay in goals he doesn't deserved to be dropped just because howards ok,, i'd make him fight for his place back tonight i'd like
joel
coleman stones jags garbutt
besic mccarthy
lennon naismith mirallas
lukaku

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10 Feb 2015 16:05:46
Anybody else watched The Big match revisited games from the 70's and 80's funny seeing pitches being swept of snow, crap mudheap playing surfaces and most strangely Players with a smile on their face! says it all eh! happy days

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{Ed025's Note - heady days indeed wakka...walking down sleepers hill on a saturday with my scarf tied around my wrist a la the bay city rollers in my flemming jeans and air wear boots..great memories mate..

10 Feb 2015 19:48:06
I remember sitting there waiting for me dad to roll in from the pub with a couple of bottles of shandy bass for me and my brothers then a roast dinner on our knees in the company of Brian Moore and Gerald Sinstad. Watching players with no shin pads and dodgy comb overs on even dodgier pitches.
I fell in love with Davy Thomas and Bob Latchford (in a bromance sort of way) and haven't looked back since. Once Everton touches you nothing else is ever the same.

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{Ed025's Note - ahh..bob latchford..your talking legends now RIB...

To RIB & Ed025. I met Bob Latchford's sister on holiday in Corfu one year. She was with her hubby, (unfortunately), but before I knew who she was I thought how sexy she was. I got talking to them at the bar & when her hubby saw my Everton top & told me who she was I think I'd have even climbed over Sharon Stone to get to her!

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{Ed025's Note - love it tezza..

10 Feb 2015 15:19:12
Apologies if the following has been done before on ths forum - I don't remember it being done - so here goes:
if posters on this forum were cast as characters in "Dad's Army", who would you suggest plays each of the characters? There are probably too many of us who'd be currently nominated for the "we're doomed" Prvate Frazer role!
;-)

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{Ed025's Note - the real mike as "hodges"...a real party pooper.. :)

Get called Coffin Dodger enough so probably qualify to play them all except Pike. One thing I can say for certain is that I certainly wouldn't like it up me!

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{Ed025's Note - nor me tedster..

10 Feb 2015 14:41:12
Ed025: so, now that we've had the derby - which we'd agreed to wait for before assessing our club's situation - what is your view on where our season, the manager, the players, etc., are all currently at?

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{Ed025's Note - heres were i stand sid...not with my editors hat on, but as a lifelong evertonian for 56 years...

The manager is a fraud who talks a great game, reeled me in hook line and sinker, he has a squad of under achievers who look devoid of energy and commitment which i put down to RM, his style of play has worn down the supporters as much as the players and his recruitment has been at best shabby, i have always seen myself as a positive guy with a glass half full mentality, but this guy has slowly worn me down to the point that i want him out of my club, as much as i disliked moyes i never called for his head as i think loyalty is a trait this club should be very proud of, but enough is enough.
When players who have a proven track record like baines, coleman, jags etc look poor and in some cases unmotivated you have to ask yourself why, for me its because of the managers tactics and players he has brought in, i would think they want to enjoy playing as much as us....now i know some will say harsh or even worse sid, but we made an agreement a while back that i would give my honest assessment, and im afraid this is it..sorry..

I'm with you on that one Ed025! absolutely sums it up.

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Ed025: No apology needed, mate. Your honesty - clearly expressed and without any offensive rancour - is understood. I too was taken in by RM - and (because of my wish for only the best for our club) I still want us to be successful - I'm certainly not hoping for more failure just to accelerate RM's replacement.
What's so incredibly startling to me is how quickly I - and so many former "believers" (like yourself?) - have completely reversed our opinions and are now vehemently opposed to RM's continuing tenure. We seem even more against him than those who've opposed his appointment from the start - I guess because we feel hoodwinked and no-one likes to feel they've been conned!
It's such a shame, but only BK (and the board) have the true power over RM's position. All we can do is give 100% support to the team on the field during fixtures and express our honest views - in this forum and elsewhere - and hope that we get a positive change of direction.
I, for one, fear that it will take a lot worse than what we've seen so far this season in order for BK to call for a taxi for RM!
Here's hoping for a good performance and result at Chelsea - you just never know and, like all Evertonians, I live in hope.
:-)

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{Ed025's Note - if i get proved wrong sid i will be the first to hold my hands up and eat humble pie until it comes out my ears mate..

It is hard to be anything like positive, although much as I am far from happy with el Bob as I am really not sure he is up to the job, however, in the interests of fairness.

We called for the team to mix up play, now we do that.

We called for the defence to tighten up and that too has happened.

We also wanted a change from the rigid 4-2-3-1 formation and on Saturday we got it.

That is not to say we are playing well or that there is any vast improvement in performances, but we have to be positive. let's face it we have got 6 points from the last 4 games when a couple of weeks ago most of us expected a lot less.

Sid, your point about opinions changing so quickly, from a personal point of view the reason mine has changed so quickly is the incessant ridiculous press statements the man gives out, even the press themselves are now laughing at him. For me he is in danger of making the entire club a laughing stock.

Lets hope Tomorrow we are up for it being a big game and that we surprise everyone!

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10 Feb 2015 13:50:55
I always try to keep my posts brief, so apologies in advance if this one goes on a bit! It's with regard to the mood on the site here. Like one of the earlier posters said, it's so very negative lately.
When I first found the site we weren't exactly doing well under DM. In fact, a season like this one would have had us jumping for joy! Back then, we weren't calling for the managers head, we were just enjoying, (sometimes in the loosest sense of the word!), supporting our team.
This season, we're still in Europe, (having won our group), & are in a league position from where, in the past at this stage in the season, we have put together a good run of results & ended up in a very respectable position.
The mood on the site was, back then, most often light-hearted & jokey. In fact, my mate, a Leeds fan, (degsymassimomot), started reading our pages regularly as he liked the humour so much.
Can we try & get a bit of that mood back on the site, as sometimes it's getting a bit depressing dealing with all this bile?

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{Ed025's Note - i would love that tezza, its just that some will probably find it hard to be happy the way we are playing mate..

Toffee Tezza: I've been as negative and depressed as anyone for the past couple of months about our team's performances and results - and have posted accordingly - but I'm now slowly but surely coming out of that "slough of despond" and support your call for some positivity. As Ed025 commented, it's been hard for many of us to take this season having had such promise from RM's first season.
:-)

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Top post Tezza. It's been tough these last few months mate. And tbf some of the posts have been garbage purely down to our frustration with expectations longed for.

But enoughs enough now. Time to stick out our proud blue chests, clear our throats and roar on the lads. And let's actually be Phenomenal!!

COYB

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How can u b so positive when were in a relegation dog fight.
I'm yet to see a decent performance by the blues this season in the league.we've been knocked out both domestic cups early all we got left is Europa so very important month 4 the club

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Jonesy I can't remember ever you saying something upbeat about the club we support. Mate I'm sure we want the same thing, but c'mon lad, perk up. You're a supporter not a critic right?

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Nowt wrong with constructive critisism when things not going right on the field in the same breath when they play well I'll praise them 4 their effort.
After all I'm a season ticket holder a paying punter therefore entitled to a valid opinion & that's it in a nutshell its a game of opinion.

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11 Feb 2015 18:29:31
Still reading Tezza! MOT

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10 Feb 2015 13:36:28
I, as much as any fan, bemoan the bad luck (poor refereeing, injuries, etc.) that befall our club, BUT I also truly believe that other clubs also suffer from these and we are not treated any more or less fairly on the whole. We need some perspective as fans looking through blue-tinted glasses.
Also, I look back on events like the late-1980s European ban and the "Agent Johnson" era as setbacks to the success and progress that appeared likely beforehand, BUT that was 20 to 30 years ago - we've had plenty of time to get things right since then. Now, with the major financial advantages for clubs in the Champions League elite AND with the FFP restrictions now in play, we again need some perspective. As for the TV money we now enjoy - sure that's great, but every other Premier League club is similarly funded, so we're in a very competitive (playing-wise and financially speaking) market.
Ambition is great - as is wanting Everton to do well - BUT being bitter about perceived injustices is a fruitless exercise and it's surely better to try focussing our energies on moving on and supporting the team on the field and looking forward to hopefully enjoying winning football in the future.
:-)

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To sum it up. We are sh*t.

We are Everton
#Wedontwinanything
That's what we do
We are sh*t

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{Ed025's Note - nail on the head mike.. :)

The Real Mike: nice and concise as always, mate!
The trouble is that I can't always tell the difference between you making a pithy comment and when you're taking the pith.
;-)

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10 Feb 2015 13:16:08
This may read like heresy to other posters, but if we had someone like Gerrard playing in their last league derby after a one-club (to date) career of hundreds of games, having won domestic and European cups, having scored crucial match-winning and match-saving goals, and having played a hundred times for their country, then I'd expect the media to have gone to town just as much. It would just be utterly perverse for the media not to highlight this - not just for the player, but also for the benefit of their product (live televised football).
We Evertonians take pride by singing about "if you know your history" - well, in my humble opinion, we should respect the history of others. We don't have to like it, but we can show respect for the achievements of others.

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10 Feb 2015 10:25:16
Is anybody else sick of hearing about how mirallas wants a new challenge, mirallas wants champions league football, I think the only person this interests is mirallas himself. He's not a bad player at times but considering he hasn't even been able to nail down a place in a team he thinks he's to big for I think he's got a very high opinion of himself. If u wanna go gwed mate there's the door. Get the money and buy some one who actually takes pride in playing for us. Until then just keep ya mouth shut and earn your keep

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10 Feb 2015 11:08:02
No one takes pride on playing for a club anymore Kingy, not even kids brought through the youth system, it's all about the wonga now mate

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For me for all his ability going forward he goes missing far too many times in games for my liking and doesn't track back enough. If we could get anywhere near 10 million for him I would take that and go for a replacement who isn't up there own backside.

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{Ed025's Note - i agree gray, except for the price....i want £15m for him, lennon is valued at £10m and i think even though he is an arse kev is a better player..

Welcome back eds

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{Ed025's Note - cheers kingy...i just need to sober up now mate...but it may take till saturday.. :)

Hopefully a win over cheski will get rid of your hangover mate

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{Ed025's Note - looks like saturday then.. :)

I quoted that price ed as come the summer he will only have 12 months left on his current contract and therefore will command a lesser fee than what his true value is. Add to that the fact that he has stated he wants out and interested parties will use this as a major influence in their valuation. Me personally I won't miss him tbh he only has to ask pienaar about the grass being greener.

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{Ed025's Note - i have never been his biggest fan gray, i just want a fair deal mate..

Iv heated he only has 12 months left of his contract but we have the option to extend it by a further 12 months. If so in theory he has 2 years left so price will be higher at least

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10 Feb 2015 02:15:33
Why do people always seem to want to lower the age if the squad? Fair enough If they are old and are past it, and by past it I mean no longer the best player at the club in that position, then sure they should be removed for another player in the club or a transfered in player, ehem Barry. But why do people want players out just because of a number, players should be judged on ability and selected for this not by their age, mainly jagielka and Baines being examples of this.

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10 Feb 2015 08:57:49
Players should be selected on their form not their ability. Even the best players have a dip in performance, but that doesn't mean they should stay in the team. Their has to be competition for teams to get stronger, but if young players are not given the opportunity then they will leave.

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All teams imo have to be drip fed with young players, however it has to be a measured exercise with maturity and match experience then much needed bold youthful aspiration being added intelligently .

The two are indivisible take either one out the equation and you are left with a significant deficiency !

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10 Feb 2015 21:08:19
I do agree with your point about form, but it is not a must that ig an aged player loses form they shouldn't be sold straight a way. I think that some players are really suffering under Martinez, with both form and having to change their style.

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{Ed025's Note - fair point mate..

 
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