Everton Banter Archive April 11 2016

 

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11 Apr 2016 23:30:40
On the subject of Lucien Favre I note that over his entire coaching/ managerial career his clubs have won 55% of available points. In the current Premiership table Man. U. with 55.2% stand 5th.
Bear in mind that Favre has always taken over clubs in dire straits and often with average finances (Munchengladbach with 16 points from 22 games and 13th financially of 18 clubs) . He has also developed players like Reus, Kruse, ter Stegen and others now with major clubs and is noted for his work with young players. He should perhaps be more in demand than some more famous and expensive managers.

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12 Apr 2016 10:56:20
I'm all for giving an up and coming manager a chance, it wasn't so long ago that pochettino was an up and coming manager, now he's considered one of the best in the league.

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12 Apr 2016 12:34:36
He took Gladbach from relegation candidates (kept them up in a playoff) to twice qualifying for the Champions League. Before that he guided Hertha Berlin to 4th in the Bundesliga.

I think he's more than an 'up and coming manager', I think this guy is a manager with a proven track record of genuine bona fide quality. Just happens he isn't as well known as some others.

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11 Apr 2016 19:00:30
Could we not just keep RM and get a defensive coach to help out at the training ground work along side him and and let's just see how it goes or is it beyond repair.

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11 Apr 2016 19:28:56
Skylark why should we, we're talking about the Manager of Everton FC.
The guy has proved throughout his very limited career that he is incapable of improving the teams he has taken over, he has relegated one team when appointed after promising them European football.
His appointment was a disgrace, we are a business (not nice but a fact) never again must one person ever be allowed to interview one candidate for interview.
So no we took on a lame duck three years ago, don't pay a coach now to prop up one of his wings.

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11 Apr 2016 19:33:11
its gone to far mate,getting a defencive coach in now would mean he would have to admit he was wrong and robbie won't do that because in his mind he is allways right.

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11 Apr 2016 20:40:52
OK boys agreed.

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11 Apr 2016 22:38:33
Thanks Skylark no offence!

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11 Apr 2016 18:37:00
Still say deboar for the blues great manager and will take us were we need to be.

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11 Apr 2016 23:25:20
Finally someone with a bit of ambition.

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12 Apr 2016 00:30:31
Don't think many would disagree he would be a good appointment. You don't have to want a big name as manager to have ambition. Same as making 'marque' signings doesn't automatically bring success.

Had Utd 'ambition' by appointing LVG? Certainly doesn't look like that at the moment. Along with spending a third of 1 billion pound. They are no better off. Looks like Europa league for them this season after all that money and being ambitious in appointing a top manager in LVG. Even the Europa is not guaranteed for them.

Were Tottenham and Leicester ambitious by appointing there 2 managers? They are the ones reaping the benefits of their managers this season. Not many would of said either clubs were ambitious with their appointments when their new managers took over.

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12 Apr 2016 12:57:28
Yes they were ambitious. One team got rid of Nigel Pearson and chose someone who had had success.

The other chose someone who had showed real genuine promise not just here but also abroad.

They are now 1st and 2nd in the league.

Some on here keep harping on about Howe who has not had one full season in the EPL. One person also said he was a genius because of keeping them in the EPL when they are no different to Tranmere Rovers!

It's amazing how many Evertonians have developed a small club attitude with a serious lack of ambition. Moyes, Howe and the like.

Maybe we need to change our moto or remind those that are not sure what it means.

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12 Apr 2016 23:45:55
Right BlueJohnsUns, what manager and what signings will make us ambitious all of a sudden.

Hate reading posts giving out about supporters having a 'small club' mentality. Yes we have a rich history and I'm very proud of everything to do with Everton.

At the same time I don't think we can turn our noses up at the majority of clubs and say we're better than all of you. Its over 20 years since we won a trophy. How big of a club do you think we are?

As I said I'm proud of everything at Everton so don't say I'm knocking the club just pointing out 20 years without winning anything and you say we are a massive club.

If Man Utd, City, Cheslsea or Arsenal supporters seen that comment they would wet themselves laughing.

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11 Apr 2016 18:20:00
Ed with all the posters going on who they would like as the next manager is there even any hint of him being sacked? Because if not I think we all need to get behind the team and manager for the rest of the season and go from there about the manager. Don't forget a lot of they players who have come in have always mentioned they come to develop under Martinez then mention Everton second. The fact is he attracts a good Standar if player. If only we could get a defensive coach to work alongside him?

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{Ed025's Note - there is nothing definite about him being sacked eddy we tend not to do our laundry in public mate, but what you say makes sense we can give up on the league games and get behind the team at wembley and hope to salvage something from this debacle of a season..

11 Apr 2016 18:31:22
All the negativity can't be helping the players and it won't be helping the ones who've had there heads turned and the younger ones also.

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{Ed025's Note - its not helping at all eddy, but its hard to be supporting or enthusiastic about our performances this season mate, we all had our hopes built up pre-season with this talented squad who were supposed to be serious challengers for a CL spot, instead we have been treated to ineptitude and underachievement on a grand scale and our supporters dont suffer fools gladly im afraid..

11 Apr 2016 18:57:26
I agree too and it's soo frustrating because his attacking play is great but his use of words and press conferences don't help him at all.

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11 Apr 2016 16:39:42
robbie said were on the up after the watford game hmmm could av sworn we dropped to 14th. has barry appoligised yet.

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11 Apr 2016 16:12:57
In response to Eds suggestion below, I thought I'd do some research on Lucien Favre. Other than being vaguely aware that he did good work at Gladbach, I can't say I know too much about him.

He's been credited with reviving a sleeping giant in German football (gladbach) , and taking them from relegation material to champions league in a few seasons. He's also credited with developing the likes of Marco Reus and.

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11 Apr 2016 16:03:13
Hi Ed what a load of old tosh some of these posters write surely they can tell that all this crap that is written in these rags are a complete waste of time reading it's only there to sell newspapers thank goodness for all the true info we get from all you Eds keep it up, GuernseyBlue.

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11 Apr 2016 16:28:15
Gb, ye we do not its load of rubbish but if there is a rumour and its there then it's called a rumour site, the fact a manager is being talked about will do me. If it was a fact site you would have to wait.

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11 Apr 2016 13:52:22
. I see the Bielsa rumours are not true of which I'm probably relieved. but we still need to get rid of the clueless one and install a new manager. I was chatting to some mates over breakfast about this and we all agreed that Ronald Koeman or Slaven Bilic would be ideal choices - but not really sure we would get them!

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{Ed002's Note - Ronald Koeman already knows that there a couple of very attractive options that will be available to him in the summer of 2017. Bilic is overseeing a complete change in paradigm for West Ham with teh new stadium, new money and European football. Neither will be moving to Everton.}

11 Apr 2016 14:20:48
I don't think that most Evertonians are considering realistic options to replace Martinez. We can live in hope though I suppose! I personally think that De Boer is the most viable option, as, in my opinion, he is not established enough to get a huge role, and I'm sure the Premier League could be considered enough of a step up for him to consider moving to a club such as ourselves.

Who do you think are realistic options if Everton decide to change managers Ed? Apart from Moyes obviously!

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{Ed002's Note - Moyes will be a very realistic option, like it or not. If Mancini leaves Inter in the summer then he might be a noteworthy alternative. I have mentioned as a wildcard Jorge Sampaoli or even one of the up and coming managers from Europe - assuming Everton get decent advice then they would need to be given due consideration. I would expect Gus Poyet to be interested if the job becomes available. Again, as I said before Lucien Favre would be a great choice - a well respected manager and a really nice guy. Right now I don't know what his plans are but I do know that he has turned down two opportunities, one in the EPL. Whether he will be interested in a job in the summer or not is yet to be seen.}

11 Apr 2016 14:21:50
pity ed2 as either would make a huge difference to everton. would a new stadium tempt them.

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{Ed002's Note - In a few years time you mean? They won't be moving to Everton this summer.}

11 Apr 2016 15:52:50
I know it wouldn't be the most glamorous of appointments, but I reckon Eddie Howe would be a great option - he's clearly talented and gets his team playing simple but attractive football.

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11 Apr 2016 15:55:06
Thanks Ed, very knowledgeable as usual.

Fully agree that the likes of Koeman and Bilic won't be considering us, as much as we can hope.

Ed, What is your view on de Boer? It appears he has been tempted by the prem in the past (Spurs and Liverpool spring to mind) and I agree with blue Tommy in thinking he's a very good option and quite realistic.

What do you make of him as a manager? And would we stand a realistic chance of getting him?

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{Ed002's Note - He is certainly well thought but I expect that De Boer will still be at Ajax next season and then he will be looking to one of a number of jobs that will be available and might attract him then. So a very long shot at best right now ST.}

11 Apr 2016 16:05:25
Watching the sky highlights of the Watford game on Saturday night neither Kenwright or Woods looked happy or satisfied with what they were seeing.

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11 Apr 2016 16:20:36
Eddie Howe would be a good option, but the two problems with him for me are
1) Will he attract the type of player we would like to buy with our newfound wealth? He won't quite have the pull of a more fashionable, well known manager.
2) Will he be as effective for a club with real expectations? Bournemouth have done really well this year and he deserves credit. But realistically, I'm sure most of their fans came in with little expectation. At Everton, if given funds, he would be expected to achieve more, which is a weight many managers struggle with (I'd include Martinez in this bracket) .

And Ed I do think Favre and Sampaoli are definately options worth considering, cheers for the post.

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11 Apr 2016 16:22:39
Thanks Ed, it's often very hard to pick through the rumours and wishful thinking to find what is actually realistic!

Great to have knowledgeable updates from you guys to help us do just that!

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11 Apr 2016 13:29:07
Media may have it wrong about bielsa, and Everton don't normally do things out in the open, but I can bet they will have spoken to someone or have someone in mind, as I said it may not be bielsa, but someone is there, and I myself can see it happening before the weekend.

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11 Apr 2016 14:57:07
Nothing will happen before the FA Cup SF PB, they would not risk disrupting that unless something major has happened in the dressing room.

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11 Apr 2016 12:43:49
How do I post a picture.

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{Ed033's Note - Everton Image uploader

11 Apr 2016 12:23:48
Over the tannoy, 'Could Mr. Barry make his way over to the managers office please'.

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11 Apr 2016 12:40:43
Who next.

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11 Apr 2016 07:26:29
Bbc sport

Everton have sounded out former Argentina and chilli manager bielsa

Hope it's true, personally I don't know much about him but I have heard eds talk about him.

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{Ed001's Note - I love Bielsa, a true genius, but I would personally not want him at my club. He would get Everton playing fantastic attacking football, with a high press and defending from the front. He will also be extremely disruptive, speaks no English and is volatile to the extreme. He could put in place a good platform for a future manager to step in and create long term success, but he would only ever be a short term option himself. Oh and he will be very happy to use youngsters over older players. One of his strengths is that he will not care about age.}

10 Apr 2016 23:48:01
As fans, we're all entitled to express our opinions and say which players we like, which ones we don't, who we'd like to bring in, and who we'd like to move on.
However, how many of us can truly say that we really knew how good (or bad! ) - or had even heard of - many of the players that have joined Everton the past few years? For example:
Who'd heard of Deulofeu before he joined on loan?
Who thought Barry would be a dud when he joined?
Who didn't rate McCarthy when he come from Wigan?
Who'd heard of Besic before the World Cup?
Who'd heard of Stones?
Who knew about Funes Mori?
Who wondered about Lennon?
Who honestly thought that Lukaku would become the prized centre-forward he has?
Of course, there's been a few failures as well, but my point is that I'm not sure that the average, opinionated fan would do a generally better job at player recruitment than the professionals in the game.
Having said that, the craic about transfers, etc., on this website is entertaining, so don't give up posting. ;-)

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11 Apr 2016 04:57:16
Very true Sid. However. despite these players being quality they are not performing with any consistency. and that's the problem,

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11 Apr 2016 09:09:55
Now i'm not sure who is currently running the scouting team but they seem to be doing a good job at highlighting talent and to be fair to RM he is pretty good at bringing in some pretty good players.

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{Ed002's Note - Kevin Reeves is doing it now.}

10 Apr 2016 23:31:12
Ed002: Am I alone in thinking that far too many fans adhere to the naive and simplistic view that improving Everton's situation can be easily achieved by waving a magic wand and simply appointing a "big name" manager to work miracles and spending millions on "marquee" players?
Frittering away the new income and investment on short-term wishful thinking instead of a proper development plan for the club as a whole - stadium, academy, community, commercial activities, marketing, etc., etc. - is, in my humble opinion, no way for the club to progress and be able to compete in the world of modern football.
Am I misunderstanding reality and being naive myself?
Also, although opinions about football are subjective - especially amongst the biased fans - surely there are certain objectives that can be set and success then measured - both on and off the field. On that score, I would suggest that RM has not shown the progress (let alone success) in the PL during his tenure. I therefore don't think it's a knee-jerk for fans to be calling for a change of manager.
Am I being unfair?
Many thanks for your comments and replies - always informed, very enlightening, and never ever boring! :-)

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{Ed002's Note - The club is not in real bad shape Sid, but the results aren't great, the fans have turned on the management and the players know the fans are on their backs. The answer is change; but it has to be structured change. Everton could bring in a name manager and spend the Lukaku, Stones and television money on a bunch of players - but it really isn't that simple. A plan. A commitment.}

11 Apr 2016 08:52:04
Agreed, as a person Mr Martinez is on the face of it a likeable person, however even though he cannot see it himself, this job is beyond him and Roberto the Manager has to go. A knee jerk reaction such as Mr Bielsa though is not what we need, careful thought is required.

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11 Apr 2016 09:23:55
Sid, IMO a manager should be judged on season to season the only exception being if their club is in the relegation zone from the start to the Jan transfer window. If the club is sitting mid table or even bottom half then there is a fair chance that a good run would see the team move up the table considerably. There are fine margins between winning and loosing a match so unless you are willing to wait till the end of the season then you can't really make a proper assessment of how good a manager is. At this moment in time I don't think we should be thinking about changing manager and I do think if we did get shut now it would be a mistake. I mind what people think about RM and they have every right to want him out that's their opinion. If it was me I would be looking at the infrastructure supporting the club as a priority the team although important should not be the top priority. As long as we are not relegated then I would be happy for us to sit mid table for a couple of seasons as long as we progressed of the field at a much greater tempo that we are at present.

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11 Apr 2016 10:05:23
sorry it should read "I don't mind what people think about RM and they have every right to want him out that's their opinion. "

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11 Apr 2016 12:44:02
Are you mad sa90? You want to sit in mid table while we get a new stadium and a couple of commercial deals?

We've been in Europe and knocking on CL doors and now we get some investment you want to continue on this route we are on now?

Yes we do need a new manager and fine wait until the end of the season. Even if we go on a run it won't be enough. We have not been in competition in the league all season and that is not good enough. A run at the end of a season when the pressure is off is not what we all expected.

My argument for an experienced manager who has won trophies at a big club is simple. They have experience of winning trophies and running big clubs.

Chelsea, Liverpool, Man Utd, Arsenal, Man City plus many more around Europe don't hire a trainee in Eddie Howe. No manager of this calibre would settle for mid table and Neither should we.

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11 Apr 2016 13:27:09
Eddie Howe is no trainee he has punched above his weight by an incredible amount Bournmouth are a club no bigger than Tranmere Rovers.
The man is a genius and has punched above his weight in the prem this season. He also speaks English, just happens to be an Evertonian as well.
If Howe came to Everton he would have my backing but he won't because it seems everyone is hell bent on managers from other leagues.
An example Steve Mclaren won the dutch league, he has done well at Newcastle ha ha ha. Aston Villa done well this season.
I know I will not get a manager of me choosing and I never wanted Martinez. Listening to all the chat I have a feeling we will not get the right man.

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11 Apr 2016 15:02:32
Yep I would be okay with sitting mid table to substantially progress the off field side of the club. I think long term it would be a better way to go. let's not forget we will have been sitting mid table for the last two season with out any serious progression full stop. I obviously would prefer to be challenging for the title top 4 at the same time but just can't see that happening even with our new investment. As for a manager that has won trophies at a big club I disagree in my opinion we need a manager that has won trophies at a club with roughly the same financial clout as us. Managers at big clubs usually have big budgets and can afford to experiment and cherry pick players we can't so why waste time and money just so we can say we have a manger from a big club. What we need is a tactically astute manger that can inspire his team and is not afraid to take responsibility for their actions.

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11 Apr 2016 15:09:04
They are run by a billionaire milomj. If you want to see a genius this season look at the team at the top of the league!

Did you use McLaren as an example to not use an English manager?

As for gaurde he is hardly a top quality manager is he? By the way they had two "upcoming" British managers before him that have contributed to their inevitable relegation.

I'm not bothered about country or league by the way. As I've said all along I don't want a trainee I want anyone who has a quality CV with experience of a big club and winning trophies. I've never mentioned nationality. But if you want some who has almost one season in the EPL then go for it.

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11 Apr 2016 17:17:40
I agree. Sitting on our hands for 2 years sounds like a sensible way to run a football club.

Hello Aston Villa here we come!

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11 Apr 2016 17:56:01
Sa90 that's ridiculous, it's a results business, the infrastructure behind the scenes although massively important is irrelevant for the paying supporter that does not want to settle for middle to bottom of the table.

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