Everton Banter Archive June 11 2016

11 Jun 2016 20:45:57
Get him signed up Farhad! Rooney has looked outstanding in his new midfield role. he's playing like Stanley Matthews in there ;) . very impressed with Shrek. think him and Barkley could be boss in our midfield next season.

11 Jun 2016 21:35:03
Not a chance.

11 Jun 2016 23:40:38
. you're prob. Right there. but it's worth a try surely.

12 Jun 2016 00:30:25
I must be missing the Rooney love in. he has been poor for a couple of seasons now. I watched the England game and apart from a few cross field balls, he did nothing spectacular. wouldn't pay what he wants in wages and a transfer fee for sentiment from us Everton fans. MLS will be next stop probably.

12 Jun 2016 08:50:49
I'd love to see him back Soli but its just not going to happen this summer at least. Rooney wouldn't want to leave. Not with being so close to beating the goal scoring record. He'll forever be in the history books if he breaks that.

Also the Mourinho factor will probably encourage him to stay. He tried to sign him while at Chelsea.

January or after maybe. The two Eds seem to think he's heading for USA when he's finished here. Maybe but something tells me we haven't seen the last of him in a blue shirt yet.

dentielad I disagree. Imho Rooney still has it and would be an addition to any squad for a couple of seasons to come yet.

12 Jun 2016 09:30:00
Must have watched a different game to me. I have to agree with Dentielad.

12 Jun 2016 10:38:16
Doesn't say much for England then. Who else is there?

12 Jun 2016 11:25:27
To say the lad is finished is a bit premature but, that said, I don't see him coming back any time soon. There have been a few factors in why he has not been at his best in the last two seasons and, imo, they boil down to the manager/ s utd have had. LVG's style of football wasn't up to much and he was pushed further back from an attacking role into midfield. I believe a manager like Jose will get him back to his best.
He gets a rough ride from most fans, whether blues or those who follow England, yet it is a bit blinkered. He can't be that bad if he has the most international goals for England plus he is closing in on Sir Bobby's record haul at club level. Not bad records to have on his cv are they?

12 Jun 2016 12:43:38
Couldn't agree more spudv.

12 Jun 2016 14:56:49
I never said he was finished. i said he has been poor for a couple of seasons now. We go on about Moshiri and how we have a new confidence at the club than under bill. Rooney would be a Bill signing, sentiment and one last hurrah, but we need players that are young'ish, not going to break the bank, and who will get better, not declining in their career, so I think imo that Rooney shouldn't be a signing we should make.

12 Jun 2016 16:53:26
My bad dentie, misread your post mate.
We only have a new confidence because FM brings cash otherwise expectations wouldn't be so high with the fans. I just hope most of us don't expect us to be buying the elite players any time soon or there will be a few having a go on here! No room for sentiment, imo, unless the player/ person brings something to the table. Would his return benefit the club? I think it would but, at the same time, the money involved would make it near impossible.

11 Jun 2016 19:07:58
Phenomenal.

11 Jun 2016 16:25:38
everton should be ashamed. 2 Everton legends in hibbert and ossie only found out they were being let go when their friends wished them good luck by text. its a disgrace and shameful. howard gets a send off which he deserved by the way, but bigger legends than him get thrown out with the rubbish.

11 Jun 2016 18:55:33
its garbage mate, asked Leon and he was informed 2 weeks ago, just ignore.

11 Jun 2016 19:17:37
If you really believe that you need your head examining. Utter nonesense.

11 Jun 2016 22:42:18
Some people believe any old stuff.

12 Jun 2016 00:33:07
To describe Ossie and Hibbo as legends is an insult to our great club.
It just goes to show how the standards of this club has fallen over the years to describe two average players as legends. No wonder the reds laugh at us and callus small time when some of our own fans act small time.

12 Jun 2016 11:37:32
MikeS, the term 'legends' is bandied around for a lot of players throughout the game, not just at EFC, and is rarely warranted. Likewise, to dismiss them as average is also extreme. They have done well in our first team over the years and it would be silly to suggest otherwise. Ossie has scored some important goals during his career with us and, especially in his early years, was a tidy little player. Tony was a dependable full back, good in the tackle and rarely let us down. Injuries haven't been kind to him over the last few years. Both players have been invaluable in the dressing room, plenty of young, and experienced pro's, have stated how they have helped them integrate into the squad when first signing for us or moving up from the youth set up.
Legends? No. But they have been better than average when you look at the bigger picture. I wish them both well and thank them for their service.

{Ed025's Note - i echo that spud..

11 Jun 2016 16:19:32
Just read Kone might be on the way to China sounds like one problem solved just need the Chinese to buy Niasse and Mcgeady and we are cleared out for some fresh talent.

11 Jun 2016 17:48:31
To get them to take Kone would be truly unbelievable, but to get them to take Niasse and McGeady as well would be bloody miraculous. 😉.

11 Jun 2016 19:31:57
We could give it the old buy two get one free offer!

11 Jun 2016 15:46:28
Looking through our list of 25 retained aged-over-21 players, pretty much every one of them has had some question marks against them from many fans/ posters at one time or another.
There are older players (Baines, Barry, Jsgielka, etc. ) that will need to be replaced sooner rather than later.
There are some (Kone, McGeady, etc. ) whose quality (and attitude? ) is in question.
There are others (Barkley, McCarthy, Besic, etc. ) who maybe haven't performed and/ or developed as hoped for by some fans.
Then there are those (Lukaku, Stones) who supposedly want to leve anyway.
We could go through all 25 and find criticisms of each one of them.
So, are there any of the 25 players that you would definitely NOT want to see leave the club on a permanent basis? Or would any departures not bother you too much - as long as we brought suitable replacements into the squad?

11 Jun 2016 23:07:31
McGeady and Kone can go, McAleny may as well go. That frees up a few spaces. For me I would like to keep everyone else. In particular the spine of the team (Stones, Barkley, Lukaku) . I would also love to keep Deulofeu as I think under the right manager he could be quality. I would also like to keep all the defence. In all honesty though, depending on tje money received no player is indispensible.

11 Jun 2016 12:58:00
Our list of retained aged-over-21 players - now that Howard, Hibbert, Osman, Pienaar and Mattioni - is now 25 strong, which is the maximum allowed for the registered (i. e. eligible to, play in the Premier League) aged-over-21 squad. That means that any incoming aged-over-21 players must be offset by departures (either permanently or on long-term loans) .
Among the 25, we have 4 "wide" players - Mirallas, Deulofeu, Lennon and McGeady - and we have 5 "forwards"; Lukaku, Kone, Niasse, McAleny and Rodriguez
We also have several U21/ U18 players in those positions: e. g. Dowell, Henen, Tarashaj, Sambou, etc.
So, which, if any, of the aged-over-21 wide and forward players would you move out and who, if anyone, would you like to bring in as replacements - or would you rely on the U21/ U18 players as backups?

11 Jun 2016 13:49:20
Out McGeady, Kone, McAleny and Rodriguez. Try and sign 2 strikers. Not sure on who. I would try and bring youth in. Especially in defense.

It gets very complicated when the whole squad is considered. I'd loan Browning and Penninghton also. Keep all remaining players if possible.

So that's six places freed for the whole squad. Places with preference would be Keeper, right back and striker. If possible with the remaining 3 places I would get left sided midfielder, attacking midfielder to challenge Barkley and another striker.

Imho that's where we need strengthening most. Think CB, LB, CM and RM are pretty well covered and I'm happy with the players we have in those positions.

11 Jun 2016 14:25:46
NBTB: some interesting suggestions there, mate.
I think that bringing in an experienced (which surely means aged-over-21) goalkeeper to vie with Robles for that position is a no-brainer.
Beyond that, I guess it depends on which of the current players the new management team want to keep (notwithstanding massive offers for our players or some of them just "wanting away") , and which new players we can attract (players we really want - not just to make up the numbers) , and which of the U21/ U18 players are deemed ready for the first team.
That's all down to the management team - not least the shape of the squad needed to play the preferred formation and tactics - and all the speculation and wishful, thinking by the fans/ posters is just banter - so just enjoy the craic :-)

11 Jun 2016 15:53:59
Totally agree Sid. I only mentioned players to go that I thought have very little chance making it into new managers plans. That's why I'd be in favour of keeping as many of the rest as possible. We won't know for sure until new manager arrives.

I believe we have a good squad and if we hold onto the vast majority we could end up with a squad that has quality in depth. Nothing like competition for places. Keeps players on their toes and they would bust their gut to kexplore their place.

Too many players were sure of their place in Martinez set up. This transfered onto the pitch. I wholeheartedly believe a new manager will lift this team. With additional signings we should be well up the table come this time next year. That's the dream anyway.

11 Jun 2016 12:43:42
We have been told even by the Mayor that we will be in a new ground in three years, well 34 months now. I know all the chat of late has been on the new manager but there must be a lot of activity going on as we speak but not a single word being spoken.
I just cannot see it being humanely possible to be in a new top class stadium within 3 years.
Have any of the eds got any info on this please.

{Ed002's Note - There is no agreement over a stadium, no planning permission has been sought, no consultation, no approval. It takes time.}

11 Jun 2016 12:50:14
I understand that so how was the Mayor able to state we WOULD be in a new staduim in 3 years . What does he know that we dont.

{Ed002's Note - You should not try to read secret messages in to everything that is said. It would have been a throwaway statement. Move on.}

11 Jun 2016 13:59:54
I don't understand that reply to my post re staduim. There has been no agreement, there has been no consultation, etc . Should someone not be asking some questions then re the Mayors comments then . He said and i repeat Everton WILL BE IN A NEW STADUIM IN 3 YEARS!

{Ed002's Note - Nobody needs to be asking any questions at all. You need to apply a modicum of common sense. As I have already sai, it was simply a throwaway statement.}

11 Jun 2016 02:05:45
Right koemam s comin does nt matter when gibson signed a contract he's not first team but could be a great squad player
We're losin 2/ 3 squad players this summer and 100 mil won t go far stones going no were koemam will turn him into or use him as a beckenbaur within 12 months Barkley will stay an learn his trade with no fanfare so the 100 mil will not go far So we need 3 striker s an pelle will do a job with Jansen or berinho as comp to lukaku he's going no where no one pays 65 mil for a striker with no 1 st touch we need a CB an a big bid for Forster next season top 6 followed top 4.

11 Jun 2016 07:33:11
You are the first person other than myself Blake75 to recognise a Beckenbaur in Stones, I said it from the first moment he brought the ball out from the back. The only thing is that under Martinez there was no will or organisation there for someone to immediately step into the vacated space Stones left. Under Koeman that will be recognised and fixed almost immediately. I am looking forward to Koeman.

11 Jun 2016 08:14:28
Barry always filled in when he came out from defense.

The problem with Stones was that he took risks when he didn't need to. Dallying on the ball too much in a defensive position, poor passes to other defenders or his goalkeeper.

His positional sense and awareness especially when marking is poor and has to use his pace to get himself out of trouble.

However, he is very young for a CB and will get much, much better over time. He doesn't really remind me of anyone but he seems well suited to the Barcelona type of play.

Beckenbaur was defensive first but Stones is much the opposite. I think he is more a Viera type player.

11 Jun 2016 11:31:20
I used to think Stones would develop into a Beckenbauer type player. I can't decide whether it's Martinez' training, the tactics or whether he's not as good as we thought, but I feel that he has regressed in the last season. Hopefully Koeman can fix him. If not, as he is now, he would make a cracking defensive midfielder, as he has a good pass, loves bringing the ball out and coming forward.

11 Jun 2016 11:50:24
Agree BlueJohnUns. He was given too much trust for a youngster. The boy clearly is class no doubt about it. But he's not mature enough to be totally autonomous with his capabilities. But I also feel that Jags should be more firm with him during the match. That's where he can have more of an influence than the coaching staff who were getting it so wrong. Can you imagine Watson, Ratcliff, Gough or Stubbsy letting him get away with a Cruyff turn in the 18 yard box. Think he'd have a clip or two.

11 Jun 2016 13:32:04
People writing of stones already make me laugh, he's young especially in centre back terms, he's been coached/ managed poorly this year like the rest of them, being clapped and encouraged when doing silly things by RM, all young lads have a dip it's natural, to many fans praise or write off after a few games it's laughable.