Everton Banter Archive March 11 2013

11 Mar 2013 23:10:00
we are not being negative! moyes is the negative one and kenright hasn't the balls to tell him to go and is holding out for his profit! blue bill my arse! their both taking us all for a ride! we should all hold out on our season tickets and give the muppet head kenright a kick in the teeth and not renew till he does what's best for us and sells! the media and outsiders are laughing at us all because of the comedians who owen and manage the club how could we be positive about them! we don't love them we love everton fc! they dont! that's negative my friends!

Fa cup big deal, there are 9 games to go for my team and ten for yours, do not turn on your team, slagging off moyes is not the answer lads.

11 Mar 2013 22:11:24
Sorry I only caught the end of the debate on TS. Does anyone have a list of questions Collywobble asked, and the answers given please.

11 Mar 2013 21:58:40
Good airing on a web site tonight 2 hours of Everton debate. Well done to Stan Collymore for asking the questions and hopefully answers will be challenged now. Moyes needs to come clean and decide his future so we can plan for next season. Never mind Kenwright saying he"s earned whatever time he wants to decide. Pot black springs to mind. A la Lescott debacle a few years back!

11 Mar 2013 21:38:19
Just a quick question to all the Blues on this site and Ed. Would you forgive every player on that pitch on Saturday if we get into the Champions League come the end of the season or has the damage already been dealt?

BitterBlue {Ed025's Note - deffo bitter...come the weekend, i will be full of optimism..

Aslong as they get there with showing a lot of passion, desire and the fighting spirit that we all wanted to see on Saturday, then yes.

Forgive and try to forget ( I know, it's hard).

Aslong as they get there with showing a lot of passion, desire and the fighting spirit that we all wanted to see on Saturday, then yes.

Forgive and try to forget ( I know, it's hard).

Match to match, being a Blue, you can be at totally opposite ends of the spectrum.
A last minute winner on Saturday would make last weekend fade into the background. not forgotten or forgiven. just fade a bit quicker than normal.

Regardless, I'll be in my seat trying really really really hard to be optimistic about the forthcoming 90+ minutes.

Champions league? Don't think I can be that optimistic atm. I'll let you know after we beat the rs 3-0 at their place.

MacT

If they get CL I'll probably give my head a wobble first.

Listen guys as much as it pains me to say, spurs and them over the road look to be in much better for me than us and have easier run ins.

We will not qualify for CL this season as we are clearly out on our feet. We also need a 20 goal striker to stand a chance. say no more on that one.

Saying that I would normally be optimistic about our whipping boys on Saturday but that's an early kick off which we usually lose.

Oh well

Toffee ace

11 Mar 2013 20:50:15
Big Everton debate on a web site right now Stan Collymore saying Kenwright told him we are for sale for £125m

Arsenal 1. 5 Billion, Everton 125m they could build a state of the art stadium, clear the debt and still have nearly 1 Billion to spare. Surely it's a bargain. The playing squad are worth 100m alone.

11 Mar 2013 19:58:59
F**K it, let's all just give up.
The seasons over, we have no chance at anything, We may not even finish in the prem this season!

Errrm.

We're out of the cup this year. So what! It gives us chance at the league!

We have our main rivals over the next month or so, Tottenham, Liverpool, Arsenal, City, Chelsea. Imagine winning all those games.

No seriously "IMAGINE"

Imagine taking all 15pts. Go on.
Go to the happy place!

Where will that leave us?

If I remember rightly, when we last got the CL, we where in about the same position as we are now, we weren't exactly running away with it, that's for sure!

If I remember last year (it's hard I've slept with the wife since then. I think) City were 8pts adrift. Who won the league?

last year we where 3-1/4-2 down to United.

Newcaslte arsenal 4-0 at half time remember that?

My point is, we, as fans, have an influence in results (crazy I know) but we do.
Have you ever walked into a room and felt "the vibe?" you know somethings wrong or somethings right? you don't have to speak or look at anyone, you just know?
That's Everton fans right now.
Not Believing! (or hoping)

Why do united win 99% of the time? Because they have a good team?
Because they have the best players?
NO! Because they Believe!

Everton no longer "Believe" we "Expect!"
WTF are we expecting?

Before this season started we "believed" we had a chance, as the season rolled on we "expected!"

My second point (in all this madness, rambling I'm doing)

GET BEHIND THE TEAM!

Not the manager, not Fellaini bypassing the game, not Neville "The crab, " Not Jelly missing chances, Not Hietinga's mistakes, Not Gibson being injured, Not BK asking too much for the club, Not the board putting money in, Not the ref, not the linesman, Not playing the youngsters, Not missing out on Fer, not transfers, not January, Not the Redrubbish, Not who should be the next manager, not money, not when we're on telly.

How about supporting the people trying? The Physios, the kit man, the cleaner that scrubs the toilets, the steward that gets to go to EVERY game but never gets to watch the match, the ball boys/girls, the groundsmen, the hot dog man, the Cabbie working to bring us all to the game, while listening to his radio, the bus driver,

How about "Support?"


What happened to "Born not manufactured?"

Looks to me like, a lot of the people on this site would prefer the latter.

I will support Everton through thick and thin but I will not support negative fans!

Thanks

Sorry if my rant went way-ward, I've had to deal with 3 kids and a wife and dog in between the rant (So I got lost at times)

COYB! {Ed025's Note - what an uplifting post that is!!..great stuff as usual doc....if this does,nt give the guys a lift...then nothing will..

Cracking post that Doc, made the hairs on the back of me neck stand up.
Through thick and thin for me, yes I am peed off like everyone else, but I still believe we can turn things around, its never over until its over!!

You had it right with your very first sentence Doc. No need for the rest mate.

Mike {Ed025's Note - trust you mike..

11 Mar 2013 21:13:57
Fans like you are the reason why we haven't won't trophy for longtime, we always support our club but at the sametime can't accept our players not giving 100% neither accept moyes to treat our club like steping stone, if we don't stand for our club now and let clowns to run and destroy our club then sry mate I'm not one of them, we have to makesure moyes, board and players need to know what everton players are expected when they put our clubs mighty shirt, getting beat is not the problem but lack of passion, fight and a manager who thinks all of a sudden is bigger then club is the problem.

Sry to say moyes needs to be sacked as soon as possible, the way he has behaved this season and his contract situation making worse and effecting our team spirit just shows how class a manager he is.

Blue sea

Seriously? that's your reply?

Guess I'm not a real fan : (

12 Mar 2013 19:06:02
nobody wrong here. ;-)

12 Mar 2013 21:45:35
Can I chip in that if Goodison bounced as much week in week out as it usually does for the likes of the derby game, then surely we would be in a different position league wise than we are at present. Imagine the lift the players must receive when they hear the voices of over 20,000 fans cheering them on! I cast people's minds back to the semi final and final of the FA cup only a couple of years back and the blue half of Wembley singing we shall not be moved made my neck hairs stand on ends. The same supporters who went to Wembley on those days are no different to the ones who commonly visit Goodison Park on a regular basis, however Goodison is quite commonly branded as " as quiet as a grave. " Going back to the OP's comments and cheering on his team, If everyone in Goodison got behind the team and shouted their lungs out for 90 mins with encouragement, so much so that like me, go home with no voice, surely the team would perform better on the field? C'mon guys let's get behind out team and see how we as fans can influence the teams performances, because its sure not going to change if we all sit and sulk at what the back room staff (moyes, kw etc) are doing at the moment. We are in free fall and the team NEEDS our support more than ever. Goodison is all well and good at supporting the team when we are 3/4 goals up, bt where is the support when we are 1/2/3/4 down?

11 Mar 2013 19:40:34
Neville calling for a response! He's the one who gave the ball away for the second goal. we call on david for a response to drop him!ryanfromleic

11 Mar 2013 18:19:42
is anyone reading more into Fellaini cancelling todays signing session at Everton two

Why would he ever sign autographs for fans who boo him? If it were me I'd put my feet up and look forward to my big move. I would never boo the man, think all in all he has been a colossus for us. One bad game and a second long strop and we boo him off the field. Shameful in my opinion. People will try and justify it, let them. All I know is that we mock other clubs for the way they treat the team. But when things aren't going well, the majority of people who were present at Goodison on Sat are just the same. Got nothing against people venting frustrations on here, it's opinions, but I never thought we acted like that. My dad brought me up as a blue never to do that. It was like a golden rule when at the ground. Support the team regardless.
Hank

11 Mar 2013 16:47:17
I'm getting the impression from the banter that we would like Neville as player manager.

11 Mar 2013 16:10:13
Am I the only one who gets totally pi**ed off by the players and staff spouting all that bo****ks about "needing to bounce back", "wanting a good run-in", "pushing for a European place", "giving the fans something to cheer", etc. , etc.? That's especially so after the debacle against Wigan. Just shut your mouths and concentrate instead on performing individually and as a team on the pitch. I know we crave any information from and about the club, but if I read or hear another bunch of c**p before next Saturday's match I'll explode! Just shut the **** up and do the job you're paid for - playing football that wins matches and is worthy of the supporters' loyalty.

And playing with a bit of passion as well, not just trotting out on the pitch to make the numbers up.

Just seen that Neville has trotted out all the usual pitiful, miserable, disingenuous, claptrap about the players responding to last Saturday's abysmal showing and beating ManCity this coming Saturday, so I'm officially exploding - KABOOM!

11 Mar 2013 14:49:28
Don't know what moyes is tryin to proove by playing neville its clearly not working, ryanfromleic {Ed025's Note - i realise that ryan, but its not solely down to him mate, the other players, manager and board are all to blame, things need to change..

Playing him in centre mid. is the disaster. On saturday he spent more time on the right because Mirallas drifted into the middle, leaving Coleman isolated. He`s an emergency right back at best now. Talks a good game, but sadly can`t produce with his feet.

11 Mar 2013 14:35:59
In my opinion I think it is a shame that if Moyes is on his way out that he is leaving in such a way, with the team colapsing around him.
Surely there has been a squad meeting after that last performance so that coaches and players could put their cards on table and throw a few clear the air F. !
Moyes and players alike should share responsibility.
Moyes is clearly frustrated and sometimes no matter who you are you just have to rip up the manual and get on with it by playing all out attacking football.
We have nothing to lose now ans everything to gain and all the players and coaching staff owe Everton no matter where they are next season.
AW

11 Mar 2013 13:47:21
A lot of people on here fireing bullets at Kenwright and Moyes! What about the players Fellani and Jelavic don't seem to be bothered anymore shrugging there shoulders all game is not helping. Thomas Paul

11 Mar 2013 15:15:53
But it is up to the manager to drop them or motivate them and he doesn't seem capable of doing either.
Ste c

11 Mar 2013 12:18:26
It, s such a shame, we have a decent first team, but we're just missing 3 or 4 speacial players, those that cost 15 -20 mill, but make all the differance when it matters, our only hope is big investment, but I just can't see it ever comming, with BK's grip on the once mighty Blues!

11 Mar 2013 11:37:37
Looks like the same is happening at Everton as what happened at Spurs last season uncertainty about the managers future affects the teams performance maybe the time is right 4 Moyes 2 move on he was the 1st 1 complaining about peanuts running his contract down and forcing us 2 sell him rather than lose him on a free and that is exactly what Moyes is doing also think Neville should hang his boots ASAP he isn't good enough at this level can't see us getting in europe so could be the time to blood some youngsters (just my opinion)Bluenoseslim {Ed025's Note - im with you slim..

11 Mar 2013 11:17:36
There has to be changes for saturday, Dithering should IMO put Duffy cb, Barkley in Felli roll behind Jelli, put Flli back with Gibbo. bring in Stones rb Kennedy lm, also put Mcaleny on bench and use him. we do have some good kids the time is right to give them a run. That display has been coming for a while, We need fresh blood, not just swapping all the same old faces. KK.

Give over, can't field our reserves against Manchester City at home, we'd lose about 16-0. Given our lack of squad depth I'd play:

Mucha
Stones Duffy Distin Baines
Coleman Gibson Felli/Barkley Pienaar
Mirallas Jelavic/Anichebe/Vellios

11 Mar 2013 18:17:08
Youve just named 3 out of 4 I picked, and if we have same team as last saturday it will be 16 nil.

11 Mar 2013 09:46:15
I don't think that there is anything that I'm going to say that hasn't already been said.

The team were collectively awful on Saturday. We can point fingers at individual players, but I think they were all equally poor. The team that was picked was wrong, Moyes too blame on that one. Why Neville and Osman would ever be picked as a midfield partnership is beyond me. I feel for Neville a bit, because he must know that he isn't good enough to play at this level anymore and definitely not in the most important area of the pitch. Would never play him anywhere else but right back. Why was Gibson on the bench? Why is Jelavic still playing every game, when he has quite clearly got zero confidence? Why is Duffy not playing instead of Sheitinga? But what concerned me was no one looked up for it, they all looked like they didn't want to be on the pitch. We have a small squad, but only the same 14-15 players are ever used. The team needed freshening up in January, surprise surprise that didn't happen. Instead Moyes should be using the rest of the squad, Oviedo, Barkley, Vellios, Stones. Bring them in give them a game or two.
oThe fact of the matter is if we had beaten Wigan, we would have had a semi against Blackburn or Millwall. I don't think you could ask for an easier route to a final.

We aren't going to finish in the top 4, we never were in all honesty. I'm not fussed about Europa league as we don't have the squad size to cope with all the games. Would like to see other players given some games to try and prove themselves.

If I were the board I would demand an answer from Moyes whether he is staying or going. If he is going get a replacement lined up so they are in for the whole of the pre-season and they get the team shaped up how they want.

Thoroughly disappointed again, too many years of mediocrity.

Saying this we'll probably go and beat City on Saturday. if only.

Alastair {Ed02g5's Note - {Ed025's Note - good post that ally..

11 Mar 2013 02:18:56
The only consolation from that disaster (which will live in evertonian memories for 20 - 30 years) is that moyes finally got his just deserts for sticking blindly by his favourite Neville.

That back pass and his stuttering unskillful unconfident attempts to just play easy back or side passes whenever he had the ball will live long in moyess nightmares I hope

10 Mar 2013 21:23:12
Everyone is forgetting that moyes has done this on numerous occasions in cup competions and against Liverpool! Remember Leeds where he continued to play all the kids and Naismith, remember Oldham a couple of years ago, remember Shrewsbury how many times is this going to hapeen there was one occasion where he let get thrashed at Anfield because he wanted to rest players for the Semi but he then continues to play Neville, he took away the pride of the club and has lost the trust of the players and most importantly the fans!
Time to go for Moyes, we need a fresh start!
COYB
Andrew

10 Mar 2013 20:46:49
So we have all had time to reflect, and attempt to get our heads around the truly disturbing scenes that went on yesterday. Actually, even after de-constructing the performance, my concern has increased even more.

Really, really think about yesterday and it really underlines some serious issues. Just think spare a moment to think about it all, then it truly hits home.

We started with Phil Neville in the centre of the park, the engine room where you need pace, power and true ability and left the only recognised person to do that job, on the bench. Leaving Gibson out was only the first stage in some huge errors tactically.

Then once it was too late, the game beyond us, we finally go 442, Anichebe causes a few problems, the smallest bit of hope returns, but Moyes the messiah still finds a way to ruin that by sending victor out wide right where he is completely useless, as proved by readings goal the previous game where Harte strolled past him.

Finally, the nail on the head, the final point to prove that Moyes has lost his bottle, with minutes left, playing purely for pride. He takes off the only player with a bit of drive and passion, Mirallas. This is where the boos really should have been heard, not when that lazy blurt plodded off the pitch.

Not much more I can say to vent my frustration, Moyes has done a decent job in stabilizing us, but its time for change i'm afraid, its an attacking mans game now.

Alex

I tottaly agree when he took mirallas off he lost me and I never want him to manage another game for us!

U also forgot to mention bringing every player back for a corner in the second half despite being 3-0 down. disgraceful