Everton Banter Archive February 13 2016

 

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13 Feb 2016 22:20:18
I always come on here and slag RM off and in all honesty don't like my own comments sometimes because he's a nice guy.
Just cannot accept that EFC one nil down to an opposition who offered no threat allowed them to win, totally let off the hook.
Half time, defensive midfielder off and attacking player with goal scoring potential on.
Don't take your most threatening player off to bring Jerry on, take a bloody defender off and bring Jerry on!
Kone instead of Mirralas?
Another bloody week of not what might of been, it should have been.
A shambles of a season that should have been one of the best since the 80s.

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13 Feb 2016 22:58:28
Spot on Mushy, don't know about you but I never wanted the guy from the beginning. I honestly believe his appointment was not the well thought out process that our Bill said it was and that rather it was a knee jerk reaction. Knowing our History and his History how the heck could Roberto come into this Club make a Champions League promise and have it believed. We are where we are because of RM's lack of nounce simple as that.

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13 Feb 2016 23:51:22
Totally agree mushy Del on Barry off . Just watched MOD and the defending for their goal is atrosious . No one on posts what the hell kind of training they at. Even schoolboys are though when defending corner one at front and back posts . F n muppet . We need to buy Southampton keeper for next season and a proper centre half who commands box and organises defence .,

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13 Feb 2016 22:13:03
I posted earlier in not so many words that it's OK for our fans to moan and groan etc however stuff being thrown at opposing managers is disgusting. Yes Pulls plays boring football but he is a straight down the line old school manager and those involved hang your heads in shame COYB.

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13 Feb 2016 22:53:25
Couldn't agree more soldier blue.

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14 Feb 2016 08:58:40
sorry am only just getting back to you nbtb been away you was spot on about arsenal longest unbroken in top flight.

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14 Feb 2016 13:26:21
No problem muff.

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13 Feb 2016 20:17:36
Aflm78 and cobyone I have to agree with a lot you say below. I'm far from Martinez biggest fan and said I'd pass better judgment on him at the end of the season. But the fans sometimes are so fickle, its unbelievable.

Martinez picked the same team today. I'm sure a lot of people were happy with that. I know I was happy to see Robles in goals. We let in a sh*ty goal. Played well but the ball would just not go in.

I know Martinez substitute's were brutal. Absolutely desperate. Kone and Osman and Mirallas sitting on the beach. Lennon did deserve to finish the game too.

The giving out about Martinez is a bit much. As I said yes the subs was mind boggling. But did everyone think we were going to win all the remaining games? We are going to have a stinker of a game every so often. Even if Martinez does everything right that doesn't mean we are automatically going to win.

Tony Pulis is a shrewd manager imo. I think I heard today that since he took over West Brom they have the most clean sheets in the premiership. Not a bad record for any manager. He obviously knows how to organise a team.

I'm as frustrated as anyone with todays game. Especially the subs and I won't mind if Martinez is let go and we get a new manager.

But why all this giving out. We won the last 3 games well and everyone was selling Stones and saying thank god Howard was injured. I'm happy Robles is getting a proper run but I'd never want to sell Stones. Why do a lot of people give big reactions to when things go wrong?

We are going to lose games. As I said I'm as frustrated as anyone with todays game. For the same reasons as most people. But I don't feel the need to give out loads. Have to be realistic and as aflm78 and cobyone say get behind the team. Support them to do better.

If your brother or sister were struggling for whatever reason would you's not all support them? Get behind the team no matter what. We are Evertonians. I know today was a bad day but I can feel good times ahead. It's just around the corner.

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13 Feb 2016 20:36:39
Beach 😊 Mirallas may as well of been sitting on a beach!

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13 Feb 2016 22:49:33
The fans have a right to moan NBTB money is tight nowadays and all we ask for is a good display at home. As I said in an earlier post if you went and ate in a top restaurant and the food was crap you would complain the same applies I'm afraid.

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13 Feb 2016 23:13:44
Don't be so sanctimonious, I for one am solidly behind the Team and yes we have the best Squad for many a season. Yet this Squad is failing and under achieving in so many areas, there can only be one finger pointed, any other would be ignorance.

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14 Feb 2016 00:12:01
Duncansmum the problem is that by not getting behind the team we are merely adding to the problem. Martinez may have his deficiencies but that is not the players fault.

It's almost as though people don't want the team to do well as this would mean having the manager stick around for longer.

We all want the team to be doing better yet we seem afraid to show it. And you can almost sense the players anxiety whenever we play at home.

We are part of the problem at the moment.

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14 Feb 2016 01:04:48
No we are not! We should be winning at home day in day out. You are just brushing over the cracks saying the fans are partly to blame it's plain to see. Can you honestly say we are at full potential under RM? He has had time and has been in the game long enough to make the basic right subs god even my 5yr old son questioned ours today! Shocking game management from a so called seasoned manager.

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14 Feb 2016 01:31:06
If the players can't perform because of the fans then they are not good enough. Top players perform no matter the atmosphere. Top players perform so that boos are rarely heard. Yes, the manager isn't good enough but are the players? We have some good players but we're also guilty over building them. They are not world class

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14 Feb 2016 01:46:38
Negativity breeds negativity soldier blue. People like you are very quick to point the finger but don't want to accept that we as fans have our part to play as well.

I'm not brushing over any cracks where in my post have I tried to make excuses for RM or the team!? I'm just pointing out a fact. The fans at the game are poor and are adding to the problem. Grow up and stop being so defensive.

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13 Feb 2016 18:23:06
After today's debacle isn't it about time rather than constant moaning on all fan sites we do something pro active
The RS did for one game RE tthe ticket prices and the board sat up and took notice .
We deserve far better than this any ideas on getting OUR POINTS ACROSS.

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13 Feb 2016 19:22:58
Yeah and that will help the team loads why can't we all just relax a bit support the team and see where we are at come end of season disappointing today yes but long way to go yet.

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13 feb 2016 19:44:34
ffs did you say a long way to go yet have a good look there are 12 games left wot do you think we are going to with just 12 games left. apart from the fa cup the season is over.

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13 feb 2016 19:44:34
ffs did you say a long way to go yet have a good look there are 12 games left wot do you think we are going to with just 12 games left. apart from the fa cup the season is over.

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13 Feb 2016 21:47:32
I'm not sure if Martinez is the guy to take us forward, but he's here until the end of the season at least and we have a cup to concentrate on so let's see where we are at the end of the season and give the lads some support until then.

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14 Feb 2016 01:32:34
Martinez can't go anywhere until the takeover is finalized one way or the other.

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14 Feb 2016 12:55:24
bluupaul lol it's only a possible 36 points oh and an fa cup to play for

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13 Feb 2016 18:15:13
on a lighter note Blue, i'm not the jinx, let betting on the Blues resume.

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13 Feb 2016 21:53:17
Murf,
Do me a favour please mate.

Stick a fiver on Leicester to beat us 2-0 please :-)

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13 Feb 2016 17:46:09
On the rise to a better future, there will be times of immense disappointment. Today against West Brom is one of these occasions. The players will simply have to learn and accept that teams above and below us are either flying or surviving to have their cut of the multi billion fortune next season, whereas the football supporter that is within me hates the fact that we lost at home again. Dominate possession, hit the woodwork, control the play are factors for looking forward to the next match. Is it then, the fact that West Brom is just a bogey side for us and it's all a matter of fate? Still 5 points off the top 6. We should not be sittng here!

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13 Feb 2016 17:18:12
We were the better team, and we couldn't score against a Tony "anti-football" Pulis team. Sub's were woeful. That's about it.

The most Everton game of football i've seen in a while.

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13 Feb 2016 17:32:55
No West Brom player made over 15 passes. One of them games, wasn't it?

It's just sad how Southampton are having a bad season, according to most, and are 5 points ahead of us. Speaks volumes.

Howard's out of the firing line. Blame has to go to Martinez.

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13 Feb 2016 17:10:01
Wow, now that was the most frustrating game of all season. 34 shots and 0 goals to 5 and score 1. Now Mr Martinez, I must ask why did you bring on Kone. Useless. Why did you take off Lennon, I'm baffled. Mirallas can pull something from the hat and you bring on Osman. Am I missing something. With WBA parking the Great Wall of China Lennon, Mirallas and delboy would have been the way to go. Not Kone and Osman.

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13 Feb 2016 17:13:28
Have to agree bad subs today.

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13 Feb 2016 17:31:09
Where the hell is new striker? We have to play two up top or even 3 against teams like wba. The subs today says it all get rid of that clown now.

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13 Feb 2016 17:31:16
I do beleave RM makes his plans the night before, in real time he has no idea?

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13 Feb 2016 22:14:18
Stig, the bloke doesn't make plans, he just sticks to the same formula he had at Wigan. He says he can't fault the Team today, , we lost Roberto. Proof is there for all prospective owners to see now. If they have done historical diligence, it will be obvious that under Roberto we are underachieving.

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13 Feb 2016 16:58:00
What to say about that. Sub's were all wrong why take the best player in Lennon off and leave 2 holding players on? The kone for clevs again another hard worker who was actually making space and creating chances. Should have buried these today but couldn't break them down. Typical story of our season but what you expect when you play with one u top at home against a side we all knew would come and park the bus

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13 Feb 2016 17:12:33
Not going home back to the pub. I know I have a go at the guy but he really is a stubborn so and so, why can't he see what everybody else can see including pundits, fans etc! I hope beyond hope that we do get taken over because if these guys are the business men they are cracked up to be they will not take failure or the architect of that failure lightly.

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13 Feb 2016 17:23:41
First of all you have to have the ability to see it and this guy does not have the ability.

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13 Feb 2016 16:12:54
In response to Blueliam and spudv below commenting on Baines. You both have obviously misunderstood what I said about Baines.

Blueliam are you seriously suggesting that a player in decline is the same thing as the player is past it? That maybe how you see things but it certainly is not the way I see things.

I can only speak for myself and I don't like when people try to speak for me. Blueliam if I wanted to say Baines was past it I would of said Baines was past it.

In fact I stood up for Baines when people were writing him off while he was injured and when he returned. Heard plenty of people saying Galloway should not be dropped and Baines should not get back in. I totally disagreed with that at the time. People were saying Baines was past it. I totally disagreed with that also.

Why would I say that and then now post Baines is past it when he done fine since his return?

I'll explain the difference imo in a player being in decline and a player being past it. If you think they are the same thing I have no problem with that, as I said I can only speak for myself.

Every player as they get older get better with experience. They reach their peak and then go into decline until they are past it. Now in my book when a player is past it he's finished. A player in decline could go for years before he's finished.

Take Rooney for example he is past his peak imo and is in decline. At the same time I think he could do a job in EPL for the next 2 - 3 years and by then will be past it or maybe he'll be able for more.

Lukaku is an example of a player who hasn't reached his peak imo. Generally players hit their peak at late twenties. Vardy is another example at the moment he is at his peak imo.

Rooney was a top class players and a player like that in decline is still better than some other players at their peak. Its very individual imo.

If you still think a player in decline is a player past it that's fine. I don't see things that way and hope to see Baines having a few more seasons with Everton as he is a quality player who should be respected and appreciated accordingly.

I never meant anything else in my comments just that he is past his peak.

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13 Feb 2016 21:04:59
Wow wish I had that amount of time.

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13 Feb 2016 21:06:55
I don't think Baines is past it or even in decline. he's coming back from an injury so will take time to get back to full fitness.
He's the best left back at our club now and has been for a few years now. He brings much more than Oviedo and Galloway (centre half) do to the team.
His eye for a long forward pass is one of the best at the club and his assists from left is the best in the league. His defending is not on the same level as his forward play but he makes up for that in other deartments.
Maybe Garbutt will develope into a good player but at the minute Baines us an automatic starter (when fit) .

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13 Feb 2016 21:58:35
I agree with everything there Joe Mc - EFC except for obviously I think he's in decline.

Blueliam, could you explain your comment more? If you have the time that is.

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13 Feb 2016 22:42:02
There you go again Blueliam speaking for me. I have plenty of time? No more than you do 😊

You post as often if not more than myself so you really do have that amount of time.

I wasn't getting personal. You had nothing else to say so you tried to offend me.

No problem Blueliam. I'll have a pint here for you. You'll have to try a lot harder than that to offend me.

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14 Feb 2016 05:37:01
Not too sure why you feel the need to bring me into this? I told you I wasn't talking specifically about you although you did mention he is decline. I disagree with that, the lad is coming back from a long lay off and is a bit rusty.

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14 Feb 2016 09:10:09
Ok spudv.

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14 Feb 2016 12:59:20
I apologise spudv. It was more directed at Blueliam. He got personal. You didn't. Fair enough you don't think he's in decline. As I said before I'm not pushing my opinion on you. I almost always agree with your posts. Have a lot of the same views on things as you. Just thought I'd throw that in there.

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13 Feb 2016 16:04:46
Back to back wins, a chance to get within 3pts of Utd in 5th place with 3pts at home. And it took 29mins before home fans chanted their support (this lasted all of 10secs) , all we could do was boo and shout abuse at their supposed time wasting.

We can moan about the Manager, tactics, this player or that player but the truth is, at home we are getting exactly what we deserve!

Worst home fans in the league currently. No wonder we play better away!

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13 Feb 2016 16:50:41
Roberto, as we said 'underachieving'

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13 Feb 2016 16:59:00
We play better away because we're a counter attacking team. At home the onus is on us to break teams down and we're not really good at that.

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13 Feb 2016 17:21:51
Well it's simple really it's been going on for years. You play good football and win games the fans cheer you however if you play badly at home they boo you. We all complain when we are dished out shite in a restaurant same applies at Goodison.

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13 Feb 2016 17:55:32
Not going to argue with anybody, but we started the game reasonably well and the fans should have been right behind the players.

However, they were too busy being incensed by WBs time wasting when there wasn't even 10mins on the clock. This just shows the negative state of mind they arrive at the stadium in. We know the team has been struggling at home and instead of lifting them we more or less turn our backs on them, and then wonder they are edgy and lack fluidity.

It seems people have just given up and are turning up just to see the 'fraud' fail, boo Kone, Howard, substitutions etc.

Like I said we're getting what we deserve!

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13 Feb 2016 14:35:40
Nice to see an unchanged team again today. Maybe RM has finally figured it out!

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13 Feb 2016 16:29:09
Then why again playing a lower side have we set up to play counter attacking football with two defensive midfielders, soooo predictable!

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13 Feb 2016 16:59:40
To easy to play against at home, he sets us up exactly the same way every time, RM you have to really take that stubborn head out of the rear orifice and have a plan B. I predicted weeks ago that we would finish 11th or lower and I am sorry to say RM is trying desperately to prove me right. Fed up of pretty tippy tappy stuff at home with no substance.

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13 Feb 2016 21:18:40
I don't get why we didn't go 3-4-3 with Coleman and Oviedo operating as wing backs as west brom came to sit back. I would have left Lennon on and brought mirrallas on for McCarthy and went for it. It seems Martinez is not only stubborn but tactically inept. One dimensional in the way he sets us up to see play.

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13 Feb 2016
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13 Feb 2016 11:51:58
Ed, don't you think Martinez should give Conor Grant a chance in the first team, he's been quality when he has been out on loan!

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{Ed025's Note - i would say leave him at doncaster for another season myself benk, he is doing well and gaining valuable experience there, we are good for midfielders at the moment mate and sitting on the bench will be of no benefit at all to him imo..

13 Feb 2016 13:40:21
Ed025: my understanding is that Conor Grant is only contracted to Everton until June 2016, so he wouldn't be our player to loan out for another season after that. As it stands, he could therefore leave Everton on a free (with some "development" compensation because of his age) this summer.

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{Ed025's Note - then we need to re-evaluate his contract sid, he is obviously not breaking in to the first team at the moment, so it will be up to the coaches to decide his future...too good to leave or not good enough to stay?..tough one..

13 Feb 2016 14:46:01
He'll still be classed as an under-21 player next season so wouldn't take up a squad place even if he stayed with us and didn't go out on loan. No brainier?

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{Ed025's Note - sounds good to me sid..

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13 Feb 2016 11:14:12
Reminder for Degs avoid all temptation today please don't bet on us today cheers mate lol. COYB.

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13 Feb 2016 11:05:13
Nbtb are you being serous lad you really think that we should give darron Gibson a player who in the last three years has made 9 starts in ALL competitions 3yr deal he gets 50k a week so that's about 7/ 8 million you would just hand over then not for me he's finished loves the partying to much it's not an accusation it's just common knowledge.

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13 Feb 2016 15:27:42
I am serious Blueliam at least one year contract with option to extend. Too good of player to let go.

How many games has Oviedo made in last 3 years. I know its more than Gibson but his isn't impressive either and he got a contract. I'm delighted Oviedo got one by the way.

Have a job to find a better player than Gibson who is value. Why buy another player when you have a good one already. Save spending money on new player which cancels out your argument with wages.

Look that's my opinion I'm not trying to force it on you. You have your opinion, I have mine.

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13 Feb 2016 10:40:05
Think we are going to break our run of 3-0 today. I'm Going for lukaku first and 4-0 . 60/ 1 holidays paid for. 😊.

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12 Feb 2016 23:56:21
Sorry for this one lads but latest news on GK situation, Martinez saying WE need to respect Tim Howard's contribution to the club?
Yes we (I believe) totally respect this guy, Top keeper.
So is this guy now admitting the supoprters were right to tell the manager of EFC that Tim had passed his sell by date, losing us at least 12 points whilst you pondered?

Don't lecture me and the rest of us and pass the buck mate!
Sorry great team but this clown's making it up as he goes along.

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13 Feb 2016 06:41:28
weve talked this to death now Mush, let's see if Robles stays in goal now and hopefully we can wish Tim all the best in USA soon.

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13 Feb 2016 08:45:45
Martinez does talk a lot of BS but I think your reading too much into it Mushy. As far as I can see from your post all Martinez said was we need to respect TH's contribution to the club.

I have to agree we do. He does deserve respect for that. Simply that not taking in anything else you say. Could be wrong but as I said I think your taking too much from it.

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13 Feb 2016 09:22:55
If you read the full interview it seems to me that Robles is going to stay in goal and the back 4 stays the same that's what I took from it boys maybe I'm wrong but we will know by 2 o'clock I guess.

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13 Feb 2016 10:57:52
I thought the same Blueliam. I also think Martinez is right on this one. We should remember that despite his current form, that Howard was a top keeper not long back and responsible for many a shut out in seasons past. Especially under Moyes. I don't think it's asking too much for us to remember that.

But here's the point. I think most blues would be very much inclined to accept his point if he was to go with form and not sentiment.

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13 Feb 2016 11:22:51
Absolutely right toffee lad I think Martinez has a duty to pick the best team and in doing that he will protect what ever legacy howard has built up at the club it's all in Bobby's hands mate I do however think the light has finally came on (hopefully)

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