Everton Banter Archive January 13 2012

13 Jan 2012 23:13:53
Get off moyes back he has done wonders for our club and don't forget it yes future does not look great but that is not notes fault, if it was not for him we would of been relegated by now. All I hear is let's attack them every week yea if we did we would get beat easily against most sides mid table at the moment is ok for a team that has spent nothing for 3 years take a look at all the other teams below us and look at there spend over past few years villa, Sunderland , even teams that have gone down in last few seasons have spent more shows how good moyes is but without cash you will always fall behind

Completely agree, mate. people are judging moyes and blaming him, but neither Guardiola could do more than Moyes. It's a difficult situation and fire moyes it's not the solution.

I dont think people say attack each week, its about the negativity that he places through formations and player choices. it says to many teams 'come on and get at us' which is why we always fall behind, and theres often no way his tactics will provide more than two goals. he is his own worst enemy really. but i still enjoy backing everton and am proud to say im an evertonian

Well I hear let's attack them before every game we have had so far yes we have only got 2 goals in us at best and we have not scored that in a game for a while that's why we have to keep it tight, we can't go all out attacking teams when our top scorer is a left back that's the reason we are but negative this season

The point is though there is a reason a left back is our top scorer, no support up the pitch, its evident. cahill is around the centre circle most of the time and saha is giveing as much as he gets, nothing. he is getting balls that are 50/50 all the time, cahill has shown he doesnt offer what he used too. it was proven today when we played more creatively (Gibson helps) we looked a far better side, and even better when drenthe went off with a more 4-4-2. so if youre a fan of reverting back to what we were doing last week and all previous other weeks and get beat, we may as well all go home

13 Jan 2012 22:00:38
I think Gibbson is a good value signing, he has to be a better option than Nev or Heigtinga in midfield. Dose anyone know if its possible to get Yobo back for the rest of the season. BFtB.

13 Jan 2012 21:09:05
Shout to the fans.... if we want OUR team to start to improve, and hit there best pottential... then lets atleast get on there side. i travel home and away with everton, and i can say our support when we are there has to be one of the worst in the league (with wigan) we dont sing, we dont even cheer our own players, if i was billy, saha or any other everton player then i couldnt think of a worst team to play for ( with the fans ) dont get me wrong we have a huge fan base, but come on lads, i mean if you want us to improve on the pitch, then you have to atleast get behind us. So i wish gibson all the luck, and hope his spirit is high and we can help with that Everton are in my heart and always will be.... but the booing, and telling players they are sh** every week... tell me how that helps?? Lets get behind them, we have to take some sort of credit for our team, there are 30,000 of us at goodison most weeks... but the way it is, you would think there were 2,000. COYB...

13 Jan 2012 20:05:56
why would we swap timmy for boythroyd when we could have got him for free in summer an turned him down

13 Jan 2012 18:54:36
Just read this on official website and shows our debt and repayments is crippling us.

www.evertonfc.com/evertoninteractive/where-the-money-goes

Well if the debt is that bad how can kenwright want so much for the club, if he loves everton like he says why doesn't he let it go for less so someone else can takeover.
That's we're he is going wrong if we're in debt then we make no money so, how can he value us at that price

Jc

We've had prentice grovelling elstone tying himself in knots things in the boardroom fallin apart .

I wonder what Kenwright and the other directors payed themselves, no mention of their dividends in the report as tey have just included it in the wages

Degsybluenose

Elstone shud hav gave accounts from wen we sold Rooney abit of deception me thinks.these people really r nitwits but more importantly an embarrassment n danger to r club

13 Jan 2012 18:09:41
will support gibson, pleased or not, he's now a blue, but, when you sell a BMW ( ARTETA ) and replace it with a skoda, the powers that be cannot expect us to be over the moon. {Ed025's Note - i loved arteta...but when your BMW has engine problems..and the paintwork is fading..trade it in for a newer model...the spec may not be as high..but fewer miles, and lots of tread on the tyres, can still get you where you want to go!

Great response ed025 hahaaha

We buy any united reject.com! any player, any age up to 100,000.....

Arteta at his best was great but towards the end he was $hit£.
Give Gibson a chance and he will shine.

We all loved Arteta but i think 12m was good business in view of his age. just a shame the cash is not re-invested into the club. {Ed025's Note - it was 10m...of which we got 9m

13 Jan 2012 17:48:42
So we've signed Darron Gibson and already I can hear the groans of 'yet another MUFC reject'. Personally I think this signing is more telling for the impact it will have on the future of Jack Rodwell. The conspiracy theorists (and there are plenty on this site) will say that we've paid nothing and given Fergie first dibs on Jack when we sell him, not if, but when. Now I might be controversial in saying this but I think Gibson is better for us than Rodwell.
I've sat and watched Jack for the last 3 seasons without ever figuring out what it is he does. What type of midfielder is he going to be? A box to box Roy Keane/Steven Gerrard type? He doesn't have the dynamism or the passing or the drive (yet) to be in the mould. Is he a goal scorer, Lampard/Cahill type? I don't think so as his goal record is nothing outstanding.

Yes he has a good shot on him, yes he is athletic, strong but does he have a trick, or the ability to beat a player? Does he have a 40-yard diagonal pass in him? Does he drop deep and help us play out from the back, discouraging Jags to launch it 90 yards into the paddock? I would say the answers are all no. My opinion, but an opinion formed as a season ticket holder.

Gibson is a quarter back. A bit like Tom Huddlestone who I really wished we'd signed a few years back. Gibson when he played for United was always the deepest lying midfielder who would pick it up and play out from the back. He is always available for the defence to receive the ball and is very confident in possession which I wouldn't say about Jack. No he's not dynamic either or a destructive defensive midfielder but he is an excellent passer and since Arteta left, no one has taken on the mantle of play maker in chief, or the one who always wants the ball.

If we get £15-20m for Jack I think we will have done awfully well. I was so proud watching him play for England and if I'm proven wrong about him then I'll be pleased for the boy. But of all our 'assets', he's the one I'd most like to cash in on. And his England caps have made that more potentially lucrative for us. No, Gibson is not a marquee signing, and don't mistake this post for sheer excitement at his arrival, but I do think he brings something different, which in the context of us having more central midfielders in our squad than anyone, that is a positive of sorts! {Ed025's Note - very good post that mate...myself, i see him as a future england centre back...he is not blessed with the greatest pace..but he is athletic, and reads the game well..

Rodwell is a center half play him against big dunc in training for a couple of weeks to toughen him up n heil b ready

Agree with most of the Gibson points as well as not really knowing what Rodwells best position is - although I think that is more the fault of the manager than the player given the various positions he's been asked to play as well as the questionable tactics.

However, would disagree that Gibson is a better player - think if Rodwell was in the Man U set up he would be a shed load better given the higher quality in playing staff as well as far better coaching/tactics. If anything being at Everton is holding him back (see perfomance for England as an example).

Still, a welcome signing who hopefully will only play in the middle meaning we never have to endure Neville and Heitinga there together again.

Also a far better signing than Mcfadden! Does it solve our problems, no. Does it help, yes.

Not sure I can agree with you about Gibson mate as I have not seen him play – except the odd highlight on TV – but obviously like you I hope for the best! I would be interested in knowing how many of the people commenting on here have actually seen him play?

What I would say about Rodwell however is that I feel he is a young lad who really has potential but sadly it seems that will only be realised elsewhere. What with injuries at crucial stages of his playing life; finding himself regularly in such a variety of midfield "roles" when he needs to be learning the art of one/two particular roles; having to do this in one of the worst functioning teams in Everton's recent history and no wonder the lad has lost a lot of youthful confidence. After all, if as midfield player you looked up and saw Saha, Anichebe, Stracqualursi etc up front which way would YOU OR I be tempted to pass the ball! HAHA

Put him amongst a better squad of players, with a functioning system of play in which he is allowed to learn and develop THE particular skills he has in ONE particular role and I do think he will realise that potential that at present still lies dormant in the moribund surroundings in which he finds himself at present. {Ed025's Note - good post mate..

When Rodwell was playing for England a commentator - can't remember who, but an ex-player I think - said 'Rodwell is supposed to be very good, but its difficult to tell what at'.

This struck a chord with me. We watch from near the half-way line in the Paddock and see a lot of Jack, and we've seen him many times. The same thing nearly always happens when the ball is at his feet. Forward movement stops. Three steps to the left, stop, turn, two to the right and lay off to Hibbert on the half-way line. And except when we are really down to the bare bones, when he doesn't play we don't really miss him.

Maybe he will blossom somewhere else. Moyes, as we know, is ultra cautious and who knows what Round does? And, of course, all players play better with better players. But if he has creative flair we should surely have seen it by now.

I know very little about Darron Gibson, wish him the best, and hope that something of the Irish international energy and spirit comes with him. I can only pray that he isn't injury prone because he's coming to one of the worst places on earth to cure that.

Never seen Rodwell play center half for everton in last two years play him ther n c wat happens .probably won't n sell him to mancs n b England's next center half for ten years

Why are people always slating Rodwell for his performances in a position that is not his usual? From the very beginning Moyes said he was a CB bt coz we were ok in that position he has been used in Midfield... Sure he has not set the world alight there bt he is getting game time and in my view it is only to help him for when he moves back to centre half... So wots with all the negativity??

13 Jan 2012 17:12:33
team to play villa
Howard
Neville Duffy Heitinga Baines
Donovan Fellaini Gibson Gueye
Drenthe
Stracqualursi

but i dnt really know who will be best up front really cos none of them can score at the moment Andy

Looks a 0-0 all day both carp

13 Jan 2012 16:41:28
500,000 for gibson is good i think.
its nice how Rooney advised him to come though. maybe a loan signing to come i hope but i think that will be it

13 Jan 2012 16:11:10
With the team as it is NOW and when they are fit i would like to see
Howard
Neville.. Jagielka..Distin.. Baines

.................Fellaini..........................
..........Gibson......Rodwell.....................
.......Donovan.....................Drenthe
......................Saha..........................

Would like to see a new striker though... Hopefully Moyes bringa someone in before the window closes
COYB

Wheres fellani

Look at the team again mate..... Fellaini is there !! haha

13 Jan 2012 16:02:06
Wowwww sometimes i am embarrassed to be an everton fan especially reading these comments. Gibson is a blue now so we support him and get behind him. He's 24, hungry to play, plays with energy and has proved he likes to score. Exactly what we need at the minute in midfield, yes, he's not a world beater but for 1-2 million it's a good bit of business by everton. Get over it and stop acting like Kopites

It looks like most of us blue noses are getting right behind Gibson, hopefilly McFadden doesnt

degsy

13 Jan 2012 15:04:36
Not to put a downer on the fact that we have actually paid for a new player but does gibsons arrival mean the end for one of roders, Fellini or barkley? Or just a long term Cahill replacement? Mmm

13 Jan 2012 14:29:19
Compare the fee for gibson to £18 mill Henderson (potential) and Adam 9mill (slow)?. Another good buy from moyes. ps. Just saw Queen Kenny on SSN. how many times did that muppett say "The football club!" I lost count.

13 Jan 2012 14:25:51
signing gibson could really lift the spirits of our club, cant wait until we sign a striker it will give us a total different outlook with something new and fresh going forward, also still got
coleman
osman
rodwell
barkley
jags
distin
all to return, come on you blues

13 Jan 2012 14:15:29
hi ed just a thought as we are in debt and this is holding us back from a take over would it be in the clubs interest to sell rodwell or 20 million and reduce the debt {Ed001's Note - hard to say without knowing exactly the long term financial future of the club. Personally I would say it is better to keep hold of him, a number of defenders are getting on now, he would be able to drop back without costing the club a penny.}

13 Jan 2012 14:04:51
1.5 Gibson 20 mil Henderson imwt {Ed001's Note - you might want to wait and see what he is like before getting excited. The lad couldn't get in United's worst midfield of my lifetime, to the point that they begged Scholes to come out of retirement rather than play him. A United fan said to me yesterday that Gibson was the worst player he had ever seen play for United. Though I did remind him of Taibi and Prunier and he revised it to 3rd worst.}

Oh ye ed fergies always spot on isint he,30 mill berbatov,18 de gae,djemba djemba,he makes loads of mistake.his problam is hes stuborn you fall out with him your finished unless your world class like wayne .roy keane ,cantona then he turns a blind eyeas for the united fans saying hes crap well theye been spoilt if he puts in 7 out of 10 performances we will love him,.i look at theo wallcott at arsenal the fans are always on his back well if he was a blue he would be worshiped,were looking for a hero...........g {Ed001's Note - Gibson never fell out with him, he was dropped because he was so poor for United. He will stand by a player he thinks has potential, even when they are playing poorly, as Fletcher has shown. But Fergie saw nothing in Gibson.}

He was out with rooney ed {Ed001's Note - he was out of favour and not in the first team plan's before then, it was nothing to do with that. He has made 2 appearances this season, that's all.}

Please note that ed001 is a rednose {Ed001's Note - and your point is? I am just pointing out that people need to calm down a bit, he might turn out to be the perfect fit, but talk of heroes etc is far too much pressure for a lad that is coming in and likely to be low on confidence. Remember this is the lad who had to take down his Twitter account because of the abuse he suffered from United fans.}

When in dought call him a kopite! Bitter to the end'

Look a rednose throwing his 10p in the mix on a everton page, OH and by the way dought ?? Can you not spell ??

13 Jan 2012 13:58:21
For us to have signed gibson i think rodwells on his way out or moyes is planning to push him back to centre back what u think ?
Dal {Ed025's Note - i think centre back will be his perfect position..

Rodwell will b a future, England center half Barkley will b England midfielder play them n build team round them show confidence in them they'll make mistakes but will become great players with experience

Rodwell is going nowhere...i think moysie has what he wants..back 4...fellaini holding...rodwell and gibson middle..drenthe/donovan wide...1 upfront...sounds good to me id be up for seeing that line up

13 Jan 2012 13:53:45
Just an idea lets recall Yobo back...
I dont really want him back but it might
make the double crossing Fenerbache
management actually pay for him.
As for Gibson a steal at the price..
Now for a striker Owen on loan or on a free maybe... {Ed025's Note - i dont want yobo back!..anyone who disrespects the club is not welcome..

13 Jan 2012 13:11:35
Just on sky sports news that Catania have refused to loan Maxi Lopez to Fulham because Fulham offered to pay 0% of his wages. His club are willing to loan him out! Get in there blues while we still can!

Dier doesn't count as one of our loans, by the way.

13 Jan 2012 13:00:58
The question is, has Moyes really done his homework on this fella, have his scouts done him proud, lets hope so!! Only time will tell. We just need 2x strikers, 2x more midfielders and 3x at the back and then we'll be complete...

A million for a player who Sunderland agreed a price for four n half million in the summer doesn't look like bad business

13 Jan 2012 12:48:03
At least we don't need to stay up on the 31st January now! Now that we have spent all of our money, there won't be any more signings!!

13 Jan 2012 12:41:59
I'm pleased we have made an actual signing but does this great club expect it's fans to be happy with a £2m Man Utd verge player?

As has been said before, Pienaar, Yobo and Arteta were 'verge players'. The boy is championship class, but give him time and who knows. Cahill, Lescott, Kilbane did not come with anything bordering on premier league reputations.
Lets give our DM benefit of our doubts.

Pienaar & Arteta were proven at a young age , Yobo was good at the world cup highly rated as was lescott but agree they all had something to prove! Cahill was once in a lifetime buy !

Lescot, jags were also unproven get off the lads back, if your a blue, give gibson a chance and get behind the team

13 Jan 2012 12:19:04
gibson done deal, im happy weve actually signed someone who is young and eager to prove himself, who would you like to see next, id like a striker (permanent deal) and a db on loan for cover

13 Jan 2012 10:09:02
At least with Gibson signing it has stopped all the silly wheely bin rumours.

Bluenose

Gibson2 blues I bet it's undisclosed

I have heard it is an initial fee of £1.5m with a further £1m based on appearances. Not concrete, but that is what I am led to believe.

Sydney!

13 Jan 2012 07:37:29
Just curious, Whats the deal with this Abdulliev kid Ed and his work permit and loan and all the other crap thats happend with him over the last couple of seasons! {Ed025's Note - he is still only 19, and not part of the plan at the moment, he is getting valuable experience in greece, but he is one for the future. his work permit will be sorted, when and if we need it..

13 Jan 2012 06:26:19
Gibson for 1m? Brilliant. Not going to find a better player for that. Let's hope he fits in well, we did need to strengthen our squad.

Once were back to full compliment how is drenthe-fellaini-osman-Rodwell-Donovan with Saha up top. More of a 4-3-3 with Donovan and drenthe on the flanks should be able to provide for Saha too even though he cant score to save his life at the moment

Ed, do you know what we paid for Gibson? Been hearing it is 500K upfront, but also heard it is as high as 2mil. any clarification?

If it was 500K think it was a very good deal. {Ed025's Note - i have been told its 500k...rising to a maximum of 2m depending on success and appearance bonuses..

13 Jan 2012 02:43:40
Wiki page sais the transfer figure for Gibson is 4,500,000! ;)

Shrewd business Everton, could prove to be a good signing, give him a chance and get behind him. As others have said, will provide more than Neville or Heitinga in the middle.

In other news, Rodwell please leave for any figure over 15m. We have a better DM, his name is Fellaini, he just misses alot of games through red cards.

Or is Moyes going to listen to himself and play the boy at CB where he said he would move him to? We are short there, nows your chance....

Rodwell has no creativity, he just breaks up play, and passes it sideways.

13 Jan 2012 00:37:24
Well what a sad state of affairs - Arsenal replace Cesc Fàbregas with Arteta and we replace Arteta with Gibson ! At what depths will we see this board let us sink too ?

Sorry Ed but I am heart broken seeing what was a majestic club being torn apart by greedy owners who talk the talk but fail to walk the walk.

Although Gibson is not a fans choice we have no option but to support the lad when he pulls on the famous shirt we love.

Broken Blue

COME BACK ON WHEN HE PROVES YOU WRONG MATE GIVE THE LAD A CHANCE.we dont by a player for 2 an a half years then when we do its all doom and gloom get agrip hes a decent player that will score goals and drive forward as for arteta he was not doing it he had gone stale 10 mill for a 29 year old good bizzness his leg have gone give me a hungry gibbson at 24 anyday just watch him go moyes has played a blinder at 500k....................g {Ed025's Note - we should all give him the benefit of the doubt, i really hope he does us proud..

We havnt replaced arteta with gibson, he is a totally different type of player, we didnt replace arteta at all and lets be honest in his last 2-3 years he hardly played and when hi did he didnt perform very well {Ed025's Note - for me..we are missing an arteta like player, as much as a forward..

Also arteta wanted to go and at 10mill it was great business for us at his age, it keeps the banks at bay for a while aswell

13 Jan 2012 00:05:12
If we get Pienaar and Jelavic i'd be happy along with Gibson the squad would look a bit healthier.
Howard
Coleman
Jagielka
Distin
Baines

Donovan
Fellaini
Barkley/Rodwell
Drenthe

Saha
Jelavic

SUBS
Mucha
Heitinga
Osman
Gibson
Rodwell/Barkley
Cahill
Vellios

Others
Hibbert
Neville
Duffy
Bilyaletdinov
Gueye
Mcfadden
Anichebe
Mcenely
Straqualersui

You would be so happy to have pienaar back he wouldn't even make your squad?

Yes sorry i was meant to put Pienaar there with Donovan obviously because Donovan is only here for the short term

12 Jan 2012 23:56:59
Have just been "talking" to my nephew on Facebook,he lives in Coatbridge in Scotland and he has told me that all the talk up there is that Jelavic is Everton bound,he says it's a done deal. Apparently Jelavic has a release clause in his contract which Rangers reluctantly agreed to when He signed,which says He can leave for ....wait for it......2.5 mill ! ! ? I am just relaying what I have been told by a Rangers Supporter.

Its 12.5 million {Ed007's Note - Nonsense!}