Everton Banter Archive March 14 2012

14 Mar 2012 21:30:18
Arteta expects a good reception, I think he will, what does everyone else think?

I'd give him a round of applause. A great player for us. And will only ever say good things about our great club. The best little spaniard I will ever know.

Toffee ace

14 Mar 2012 20:30:06
The only thing I just dont have a clue how to answer it is why drop Heitinga? He's been our best player for ages now? Never disrupt a back four that hasn't lost in 8 matches. FFS. {Ed025's Note - i know mate...it beggars belief..

Easy... Jonny isn't scared of a challenge.. But as we saw, diver Suarez earnt baines a yellow and he never touched him, chances are jonny would have been off with a red!

J0hn80y

14 Mar 2012 19:50:26
For any manager to get ten years in the prem just thinking of how many managers have been sacked is an achievement whether he's deserved to stay sometimes or not, some of the things other
managers have said about him, wenger,harry etc just shows he's a talented manager and obviously the
money hes been gave isnt half as much if that of other clubs even lower clubs so all together, i think hes done a boss job, think most of its frustration seeing us under walter fighting to stay up an now weve got a squad that should be up there were desperate to see something happen weather its europe or a trophy, got a lot of a better side with him but we need to start playing like that and not poor one day good the next and swerve these bad starts to the season.

14 Mar 2012 18:04:15
Fellow blues, I posted a few days ago that I'm after tickets for the Swansea game for my son and me. Are there any season ticket holders who are unable to make the game, able to buy on my behalf? A decent bottle of anything of your choice plus costs. Plus the knowledge of helping out a fellow Evertonian and his young son. BlueTone

Can't help you with a ticket but if you do manage to take a trip down, you will see the most amazing match. Be sure that we won't see much of the ball and we will need to be patient. They are a really good outfit. Possibly the best team to come up in a very long time.

Despite the good report I'm going for 3-1 EFC

14 Mar 2012 17:42:30
Just brought the away and 3 rd shirt for 20 quid! Buzzing

14 Mar 2012 17:20:42
Can we all try to stop this lazy 'media' consensus view that Everton is a club 'punching well above its weight' blah blah blah - and "Moyes has done fantastic just keeping us up" etc

has anyone parrotting rubbish this bothered looking around the stadium lately?

We get about 35-40 thousand fans in most weeks - which in terms of gates puts us about 6th or 7th in the league - more or less where we are

I'm sick of hearing lazy media 'analysts' saying how well we've done just to be 7th etc

so who do they think should be ahead of us in the league then? Stoke? Wolves? Blackburn? Wigan? Sheffield Wednesday? Notts Forest? These clubs get about 20k fans at home games.
Everton are a BIG club in terms of gates / support

yeah - we don't have big transfer budgets to burn - but who does outside of champs league and a few lucky ones like Sunderland who are basically just playing catch up to us by buying crap players for mid sized transfer fees? - they'll level out as well once they've got a decent team on decent wages like us

next time I hear that lazy copied view from some over-paid know nothing media mouthpiece I'm gonna - err - err - write another post on here moaning about it!
tut

Moyes is a good manager - fair enough - but he hasn't 'worked wonders' - he's done a good job at a decent club - and he can spot a 'player' and also improve them as well - but he's not brian clough.

Clozem Downe

ps I wasn't too impressed with his "Everton is a stepping stone club" comments on sky before the game last night - did we all sign up to be fans of a 'stepping stone' club?

What is point in having abigger budget he doest play players he buys brings anichebi instead jelovic who had 90 mins 8 games madness {Ed025's Note - you said it mate...osman also needed game time after his injury, also a non starter....get a grip david!!

Catch up is that why we ahead of you in table? crap players they have all performed really well for us. just jealous you can't spend money. You lot were lucky to get a point at our place with a disgraceful dive for the pena, but 2mora you will get a shock when we beat you! HA'WAY THE LADS! lets beat these arrogant scousers!

That probably was a bit harsh on Sunderland - you do get big gates fair enough and you have got a decent team and a good manager - but you don't have the history of Everton - we have 9 titles - and you're stuck up their in the freezing cold grim northeast - so it's going to be hard attracting top players - that's just a fact - but didn't particularly mean to run you down - I was just asking the media copycats to come up with BIGGER clubs than everton who 'should' be above us in the league because they're a 'bigger club' than us - Sunderland is not a 'bigger club' than Everton - though you're doing alright for yourselves at the moment (I doubt you'll ever win 9 titles though)

You slag the northeast off but your team is from LIVERPOOL, a bunch off chavs in shellsuits!come on!lol but seriously both teams are good at the moment but I think sunderland pip you with support and financial backing, no chance of us winning 9 titles but I don't live in the past, you sound like the geordies up here all they do is live in the past and the last time they won something major was 1957. anyway tight game today but I think Sunderland will just win or get a draw, our players are high on confidence!

14 Mar 2012 14:37:12
good luck for the fa cup until you meet us again , you were let down badly by your manager last night , for where you were in the leauge table , a point would of been a good result even ,big , big mistake to rest players , and in a derby match , shocking by moyles................lfc

Pipe down Red Sh*te you've got to beat Stoke first. We don't appreciate being patronised. I would worry about the fact that Liverpool are going backwards every season even when they spend big money. Stevie 'The Saviour' Gerrard wont be around for ever. COYB

Alastair

Yea maybe big al , but i was glad he was around last night at least lol............lfc

107 m spent and your still relying on gerrard will the yanks let kk waste money again there is still big problems at R S F C coyb thgfest

Well the net spend of kk is around 35m , and i argee with you its been a bit hit and miss this season , things take time mate , but i am sure even davy moles will win a cup some day , only joking pal , well maybe with a bigger club when he moves on lol.............lfc

14 Mar 2012 14:25:11
I could see what moyes was trying to do last night and that was keep it tight and remain in the game And bring on the better players although I know nags and a few others needed game time he just got the decision wrong that's all just remember we played spurs last sat Liverpool last night cup game sat and then arsenal that's demanding for any squad it just bad cause it was against Liverpool if it was man city last night you would not be moaning as much like moyes said last night he would of taken 2 draws against spurs and Liverpool but has taken 3 points instead of 2 and I agree with him

Liverpool is NOT man city, they do not have the calibre of players like man city or man u has, there not even a top 4 club anymore, our full strength squad is as good as theirs, thats why its so hard to swallow

If he wasnt here we would have someone else do you think there is no one better why if hes so good have we never won anything

Look at what he has done since he took over look at the teams currently above us and look at there spend that's why if man city did not get there sugar daddy they would be below us remember we were aiming top 5 now teams been given more money lets say a Arab took over at another prem club with mass amounts of cash it would leapfrog them to top 4 within season that's why moyes deserves all the credit we falling behind every year in terms of adding to squad and he still has us in top 8 net spend of 20 million over ten years the man is a saint find me another prem club who have spent less or even championship club for that matter good luck replys please

14 Mar 2012 13:36:32
the team for saturday v sunderland should be howard nevile heightinga distin baines drenthe osman fellaini pienaar straqualursi jelavic i think if we get beat every evertonian would except it as long as we play this line up as it is are best 11

Pienaar can't play

14 Mar 2012 13:15:37
Moyes obviously sacrificed that game in order to give us the best chance on saturday in cup.
I'm sure Heitinger has not been dropped - he was rested to keep him fresh - he will be back in - probably alongside Distin (maybe jags)

We're not far away from a good 'first 13' squad - but I think we do need 2 or 3 quality new players to complete us

we need a linking forward - like a graham sharp - or beardsley - to play off Jelavic - Cahill has 'gone' - Straq is a workhorse but lacks finesse and does not have great foot skills - he's never going to be the answer if we want to move upwards -
Osman is also getting older and has never been a 'number 2 striker'
(Anichebe is just an awful player - a 3rd reserve in case of emergencies)
so we need to fill that hole badly

a creative midfielder would be great - I am not a fan of fellaini and think he 'ruins' us - he's not quick, he's not mobile, he does not pick a defense splitting pass (or any pass) well - just does the 10 yard 'offload' passes all day long - we need more than that from a centre mid

I absolutely cant stand Coleman - he has nothing to offer - end of - watch him for a bit during games - I do not think he has any football brain at all - when the opposition have it he just runs around in circles, following the ball, getting dragged out of position and getting near to no one - as the ball has already been passed off elsewhere - he'd be better off just man marking his winger / full back - he also can't get past anyone now when he has the ball

so, I think we need a decent right winger (drenthe?) a creative midfielder, a link striker and maybe a right back (though I like hibbo a bit)

half of our players don't seem to believe in themselves when they have the ball - they just look to offload it anywhere - without moving it 'positively' into a more dangerous position than what they're already in
only some of our players are doing something positive with the ball to try and create a decent attack - and that's mainly baines, pienaar and drenthe - none of the other players around them try to engineer a goal threat - they're just 'pass off' merchants like rodwell and fellaini - just getting rid of the ball

part of our problem when playing the likes of liverpool is that the liverpool lads will all try to do something positive with the ball to try and create an attack - half our our lads just want rid of the ball to keep their opta stats looking good but they're not doing anything useful

Clozem Downe

14 Mar 2012 10:50:36
The defense from some fans that... "well we have the cup game on saturday", doesn't wash with me! Why not win both and just 1 ?
It's a derby, does Moyes not realise what it means to the city? Dalglish, although i believe has been poor this season obviously does know what the derby means to the fans, he fielded a strong team and will field another strong team on saturday!
Why couldn't we do the same? 6 changes is shocking! I could understand 2 changes (pienaar and Straqualersui) but to take Osman, Drenthe, Cahill and especially Heitinga was a real shock.
I know what Moyes was thinking but all he has done now is put pressure on himself to win on saturday, if we lose the fans will want answers to his decisions. {Ed025's Note - and rightfully so..

Questioning the great man again I see just remember he is the manager and your the fan with little knowledge

Couldn't agree more. I remember a few seasons ago when Benitez picked a weakened team or substituted his best players ( can't remember which ) against Everton and he was accused of not understanding how important the derby is to the fans because he was from Spain. I think Moyes was guilty of the same thing last night. Disappointed doesn't even come close to describing how I feel about his team selection

14 Mar 2012 10:18:05
Whilst I lay the blame on Moyes for the team selection including Jagielka who looked like he didn't know he was even in a football game. The blame has to go to the players as well. At the end of the day it was 11 men vs 11 kopites. And not one of our players look liked they wanted it. In my opinion, they should all be ashamed. As a fan all I ask is they respect the shirt. None of them did that last night.

Most of my kopite mates have been ok about it to be honest. But that was embarrassing. Sunderland is must win. And just to add we have the Arsenal after that so can we expect a similar team and scoreline then? {Ed025's Note - for me mate, the buck stops with moyes and round!

For me it is Moyes and Round as well, approaching a big game like the Merseyside Derby, what impression does making 6 changes to a team? The players playing in it, are probably thinking hang on Moyes isnt really fussed about tonight and the result, and I reckon that had an effect on the players.

Just an embarrassing night, last night was, one I want to forget quickly, and hopefully a win on Saturday and a trip to Wembley can make it better. But I hesistate to think if we draw Liverpool in the SF or the Final in the FA Cup, what is Moyes going to do then?

14 Mar 2012 10:16:56
im sorry to say but drop about 5 of those players who where playing moyes has no clue he wrecked are from
hetinga = quality if we dont play him he'll leave
jelavic = dented his confidence by leavin him out
cahill = bench warmer he has lost it
Straq = needs a good striker with him not Anichebe
back four = new RB.....Heitinga....jags....bainse....
distin = is old to much of a risk can anyone see how bad he is
gibson = we are actually missing him rodwell is over rated!
felliani= looked a little bit frozen
Anichebe = F**K off out of are club!

toffee haz {Ed025's Note - you said it haz..

My team last night would have been

howard
neville
hibbert
jonny
jags (distin was knackered on saturday)
baines left wing
osman middle
screech middle
piennar right
cahill behind jelly
jelavic

a tight defense and good attacking options down the wing. a striker who can scores goals with service from osman pienaar and baines.

easy to say in hindsight but we would not have been beat with this team. {Ed025's Note - what!..you mean no place for anichebe?...or coleman?, now that is surprising!, i can tell you mate, im as sick as a sea going parrot, how could he have got it so wrong?..

Really? You would break up Distin and Heitinga partnership, one that has made our defence actually solid. No surprise Moyes changed the defence and it was in shambles.

Really? You would break up Distin and Heitinga partnership, one that has made our defence actually solid. No surprise Moyes changed the defence and it was in shambles.

How could he have left Heitinga out? Just hope he doesn't leave in the summer

14 Mar 2012 09:55:12
Jags did have a stinker last night. Heitinga must be pretty pissed off that he was left out after playing so well against Spurs. {Ed025's Note - you see, for me, that just dents the lads confidence!...bad move

I wonder if it's a case of Jags getting straight back in the team permanently. If he does Jonny has every right to want away in the summer and I wouldn't blame him! Moyes talks about fighting for places...... We'll find out against Sunderland.

Wizard of Osman {Ed025's Note - jags was well off the pace wiz...johnny must be gutted!

I think it is so he is available for sunderland. Isn't he on 5 yellows anyway

14 Mar 2012 09:47:52
What gets me is that they wanted it more, they showed the fight, desire and commitment. Isnt that what we are famed for ? {Ed025's Note - we were before last night mate....

14 Mar 2012 08:52:59
I have always remembered the two pearls of wisdom my Dad used to say to me regarding football..No professional footballer should miss a penalty and NEVER CHANGE a winning team..How then can a manager who this week celebrates 10yrs in charge of one of the greatest clubs in English football not adhere to such a simple yet massively important ethos is baffling....gutted!

14 Mar 2012 08:06:38
Big risk by Moyes, but come saturday once we've beaten Sunderland to Wembley we'll be praising him.

On last nights game, it would only have taken pienaar to finish his shot and the result could have been the other way around. He didnt, and thats football. Lets get over it and support the boys for Sunnderland!

IMWT {Ed025's Note - lets get over it???...i presume you dont live in the city mate...the R/S will be so full of it now, and the stick will be worse than ever!, dont try and defend the indefenceable mate, that was a disgrace..

For the amount of money Liverpool spend compared to us they should be to 3 not 5 points infront of Everton who have next to nothing to spend, get over yourself Liverpool fans.

14 Mar 2012 01:43:37
What an absolute disgrace.
Anichebe and Coleman were a disgrace to the shirt tonight.

It seemed like T.Hibbert was our most prominent right winger as seamus coleman was pathetic. I though Straqualursi tried. Rodwell was flat.

moyes fault. Great manager and IMWT, but.. Fellaini needs a tenacious midfielder to support him. Rodwell just isnt that.

Lets beat sunderland and beat the kopites in the semi final

Your a coward moyes pleasego total ambarrassment of team ghoice your a f*** up {Ed025's Note - lets not get ahead of ourselves guys...that was a real cock up last night, and nerves are still very raw, but we have a season to save, and its pull together time....but i must admit, i was saying the same last night..

What are you people on about!

We played Sat eve, then Tues then we got another game Sat lunch!....changes were needed to keep things freash!! The only one I disagreed with was Hetinga. Has been an absolute lege at the back since Jags has been and out and wouldve kept him in definitely....that may dent his confidence and mood now which would be a great shame.....at the end of the day it hurts to lose to that lot but its one game. We are 5 pts behind them with 10 games to go and the FA Cup.....lets keep going. Thought our fans were great last night and up until the goal we were starting to look good going forward. Lets pick ourselves up....see where that lot finish eh {Ed025's Note - so you think jellyman, and ossie needed a rest?...and you think anichebe should be playing?...get a grip mate..

What does moyes see in anichebi he wouldnt get in a champion side