Everton Banter Archive September 14 2017

14 Sep 2017 21:56:38
I for one said Stay calm keep supporting but Omg I say hit the panic button and bring in the youngsters.

{Ed025's Note - well they cant do any worse cosh..

14 Sep 2017 22:11:36
I didn't watch but Everton are better than a 3.0 hammering I'm not a bitter supporter I appreciate the jokes but I hope you recover.

{Ed025's Note - they were not tonight JBLP, in all honesty if it was 6-0 it would have still flattered us mate..

14 Sep 2017 22:24:05
Why dowell was sent out on loan to forest ( where he is playing great) after the pre season he had is a mystery.3 number 10s playing behind a striker and not one had the ability dowell has. gylfi is a dead ball specialist, Rooney brought back fir sentimental value and vlasic playing first full game. Full back needs to be Kenny, at least give Niasse another try up top. Sad to say but Baines has lost it now, jags not good enough, Williams definitely not good enough. Maybe links to Thomas delany is what we need in midfield. Some creativity without it being a number 10.

14 Sep 2017 23:48:16
I watched dowell on tuesday playing for forest v sunderland and he was very poor.

14 Sep 2017 20:48:28
Does everyone think it's now time to panick because I sure as hell do some players need time to bed in but not all of them what has happened to us.

{Ed025's Note - its not panic button time just yet billy, but if things dont improve and quickly mate...then im sure questions will be asked

14 Sep 2017 22:22:41
It's the performance that's worrying me ed sometimes you get beat but can take positives from the game we can take absolutely nothing from our last 3 games we should have kept valencia for one more season.

{Ed025's Note - but valencia alone would not change much billy, the rest of the team lack energy and drive and are so static that even if we had shearer up front we would still struggle to score, we were second best in every department and its becoming a very worrying trend mate..

15 Sep 2017 12:39:02
I think the point about Valencia Ed, is the same as with Delofeu and Mirallas, they may be hit and miss but by heck when on song and we drove at teams it kept them on the back foot. If we had kept that method but also not neglected defence then perhaps Brown Shoes would still be here. His problem as now beginning to appear with Mr Koeman (still think he will come good and a much better manager)
, was/ is stubborness and refusal to change. In Koemans case, he needs to realise that we have brought to the club at least two maybe three new players that are just not up to standard.

{Ed025's Note - i think the players we have are ok dunc, its the system we are playing and lack of intensity that is worrying me, for me we need lookman in and bolasie back to give us some impetus, even mirallas would do and im not his biggest fan, but we will just have to see mate..

14 Sep 2017 20:33:48
Well that was absolutely gut-wrenching to watch tonight. So glad that Lyon didn't get the win otherwise I'd be worried about progression prospects. No need to highlight how bad because it was simply every aspect of our game. At least Koeman had the balls to admit his part in this atrocity and i honestly believe he'll turn it around. He's still 100% the right man for us in my eyes.

So for the select few supporters (you know who you are) who kept stating we didn't need to worry about replacing Lukaku because we'd get more goals throughout our team, how do you feel now? It was so obvious we needed a solid goalscorer, and i can't wait for the Jan window to address this, even with just a short term solution. Until then does anyone have any realistic ideas? Mine would be to play Mirallas up front. He has played and performed as a CF in the past. His attitude is a clear concern but i do think he'd score a few. The only other suggestion, very risky but surely worth a try, is to give Klaassen a shot in attack. We overspent on number 10s that we can't accomodate in the same game, so Klaassen could be the front man with Sig and Rooney behind. He has shown he has an eye for goal with an impressive tally last year, and we know he can time his runs well. I think he'd be an option and then not a 30 million benchwarmer.

Please can everybody not jump to the "Koeman out" scenario. It's still very early days. I think, deep down, we all knew the sequence of league defeats was a distinct possibility and shouldn't be reflective of what we can achieve. Yes tonights result hurts, i honestly thought tonight would be the bright spot in a harsh run of games, but with 5 more games to try and qualify, we should back the team more than ever!

14 Sep 2017 20:50:58
Agree re not panicking about the group because we have five games left, my concern is more confidence of the back of an aggregate 6-0 which could have been 12-0. Points total so far in the league is probably about right given the fixtures, but concerned about the lack of improvement.

It's not so much about the overloaded midfield either, more that we looked so off the pace for the second time in a week.

The good times aren't far away with the investment and new stadium, but today is a bad day.

{Ed025's Note - im afraid the good times look miles away for me windsor, the stadium will be no use in the championship mate and thats what we looked like today..

14 Sep 2017 20:51:57
Agree with that 100 percent Worcester mate, but it was bad.

14 Sep 2017 21:19:13
The worrying things are Baines? He didn't seem bothered. Keane looked like he had an off game, siggurdson half a yard off pace which is kind of understandable. Schneidelin should have been running round like a mad man considering. Steklenburg looked good. Vlasic looked lively but needs time on the training ground. Holgate and DCL looked ok. We can all bitch about needing a big man up front but that is not going to help if the 9 men behind him can't get hold of the ball.

14 Sep 2017 21:52:21
I generally consider myself a moderate guy. I don't get too riled up by much but that performance was embarrassing to watch. You could see after the first 40 mins Atalanta lost interest in the game because they knew we posed 0 threat.

The worrying thing for me lately are the performances.

We just look dire every game. Our defense melts away at the sight of any kind of pace or aggression, we signed 45 midfielders over the summer but they might as well not be on the pitch because the ball gets lumped up to our (often lone) striker who can't keep hold of the ball and then it just keeps coming back at our defense. That process just goes on rinse and repeat.

The worst part of it all is that Koeman doesn't seem to look like he knows how to fix any of these issues. You assume if he did he would have communicated this to the players. Every game though it's the same mistakes.

Yes, we had a tough run of fixtures but if we played the way we played tonight against most championship teams we would have been hammered.

{Ed025's Note - i have to agree CT..

14 Sep 2017 21:59:29
Smit it is completely about the big man upfront. There needs to be a focus for the midfield to play towards instead of sideways/ backwards passing. Plus confidence of goals will help the whole team step up their game.

Windsor, i wasn't saying overloaded midfield, more overloaded number 10s. Rooney, Sig, Klaassen, how many players did we really need for the role, never mind the likes of barkley who could also slip in. I agree we look off the pace, i just don't understand why we are so far off the pace in terms of sharpness and movement. It looks like our players have no hunger at all to perform.

Does anyone else also think our defence is a real concern? I know he didn't play tonight but i am really unhappy with the performances of Williams. Right back is an obvious concern but Colemans return will be a real bonus. I love Jags but he tries so hard in the games he plays that he can't play every match, age comes to us all so i can't blame him really. New CB and CF are without doubt essential for us to move forward.

14 Sep 2017 20:23:59
We nearly won the league under Gordon Lee . I think it was 1978 . I would swap that team of hard working talented superstars on £300 a week for this present shower .

14 Sep 2017 20:12:48
The story has been similar the last three games. when we have the ball there seem so few options because there is so little movement and running off the ball. yesterday the liverpool attack was referred to as the red arrows so fast did they move when they had possession, creating gaps in the defence. whereas we seem like a team of ponderous individuals who have little urgency and initiative. Allied to too many duplicates in the same side and no width in the selection. the whole strategy needs a radical rethink by the management.

{Ed025's Note - i agree oscar..

14 Sep 2017 20:38:05
Simple isn't it. Solid defence front to back, back to front, stops the other side scoring. Pace and width wins games. Always been the case, but now a days it is all like American Grid Iron, IT Tablets, patterns and plays, more and more theories. Just get back to what works. If Mr Moshri is the person we all hope he is, then slaps will be coming.

14 Sep 2017 20:56:01
Hit the nail on the head there mate, total lack of width, pace, ideas, passion, determination. So easy to play against. Needs to change drastically otherwise we'll be in big trouble this season.

14 Sep 2017 20:59:03
Funny thing is we were all saying Barkley and Barry slowed our play down, me included. If anything we look worse now because we've got no width and three players who all want to be in the same position.

14 Sep 2017 20:04:44
hello eds, is the correct score not on anymore. there's no link to add my scores. thanks.

{Ed033's Note - Add the correct score competition to your favourites and visit the page each week.

14 Sep 2017 19:48:49
Any chance the travelling fans can get a refund from Koeman's and the players' pockets? They should be ashamed, Koeman especially. and I thought Martinez was arrogant and stubborn with his poor choices and tactics!

14 Sep 2017 20:03:19
I know it's early in the season but I'm seriously concerned about our fate. there's no passion, desire, urgency or direction.

14 Sep 2017 19:57:55
Shocking performance again Shapeless
All the money that's been spent and no better than Martinez era.

14 Sep 2017 20:34:21
We've been conned.

14 Sep 2017 19:33:16
Have these players even met each other before? Never mind train together each day.
It's far too early to even talk about getting rid of Koeman just yet but did we even have a game plan this evening?
What an absolute train wreck of a performance, dreading Sunday now.

14 Sep 2017 19:37:45
Width, pace, guts and creativity lacking. gutted.

14 Sep 2017 19:24:28
I got a load of abuse for daring to question some of our transfers this summer, this is a replay of Chelsea away last season . Oh for a striker and a composed midfielder who can tackle .

14 Sep 2017 19:43:09
I think Gana is the midfielder. but struggling with striker.

14 Sep 2017 19:45:52
That's because some of the fans on here think koeman can do no wrong you wouldn't think he has had three transfer windows with this team . looks like another year without anything because I can't see anything promising in this team and why the hell did we let rooney back.

14 Sep 2017 18:57:47
Any chance of slipping a kit on big dunc and sliding him onto the pitch. Need some fight from someone.

14 Sep 2017 19:01:13
NIasse needs a chance because he cannot be any worse than that lot pathetic.

14 Sep 2017 19:20:18
Not named in the euro squad.

14 Sep 2017 18:51:57
This is so embarrassing that I have turned the TV off. Can't remembering doing that even with Martinez in charge. I know it takes time for new players to gel but if they play like this I can't see us beating any team.

14 Sep 2017 18:47:16
Absolute garbage. What's the point having baines and Rooney at left back. Horrible to watch. Just play 442 instead of 3 no.10s across behind striker.

14 Sep 2017 17:30:28
Has lookman done something wrong. Surprised he isn't even on bench?

{Ed025's Note - me too jcl, he has the one thing that scares all defenders and thats pace, which there is not much of elsewhere im afraid mate..

14 Sep 2017 17:50:54
Absolutely Ed. he offers width, pace and creativity. what does the lad have to do. Mirrallas and his tantrum still make the bench?

{Ed025's Note - its a bit of a cop out for me jcl, easy to leave out as hes not the type to go banging on the managers door or wearing a tee shirt with "why me?" on it mate..

14 Sep 2017 18:25:47
Davies not on the bench either. Shocking. That's 2 less players that can change a game.

14 Sep 2017 13:40:29
Readily admit I cannot possibly know more than those much better qualified than I have ever been but please can someone tell me why Everton with a plethora of midfielders - with more to come from the academy - are in pursuit of yet more. Defenders and someone who can put the ball in the net is what we need.

14 Sep 2017 15:45:35
Have to agree Dunc dose this man actually know what he is doing.

14 Sep 2017 17:08:08
It's all just speculation on who we are after in the papers. There's nothing that can be done until January and the papers have to fill their inches.

Calm down and concentrate on the football. The players we have now are the ones we need to focus on.