Everton Banter Archive February 15 2013

15 Feb 2013 22:06:44
I'm really glad Moyes is not signing a contract yet. The board have money, 2 of our board members are multi millionairs and Moyes knows it. Show ambition and he will stay. Simple. If leaves the fans that are deluded will finally turn on the board

Facts are apparently even more depressing than you have stated. Jon woods has an estimated net worth of over 100 million, Robert earl is anywhere from 150 million to over 1 billion pound (that was when his planet Hollywood and Hard Rock Cafe businesses were at their peak) BKs wealth is not clear but he apparently took an extra 10 million out on his mortgage a couple of years ago. so he is bound to be worth a few quid. But worse of all Lord granchester is a share holder and is apparently worth over 1. 2 billion pounds. yet we can't find investment and have no money. which is why I get frustrated. jlaff

Granchester takes his free ticket to every game an probabley never spends a pennny inside Goodson except in the bog. as for Earle didn't this fella give us a loan with massive interest rates attached wich he won't let us pay of early which is one of the reasons bk carnt sell club

Although they are richer than most of us Bk and Earl haven't got enough money to run a premiership football club. they are both funded by Philip Green who would make Shylock look generous god knows what interest rate he is charging. Grantchester is old money but these types rarely put their hands in their pockets for Oxfam let alone Everton

15 Feb 2013 21:02:40
So I get why we all love Moyes, he's been nothing short of brilliant and to argue otherwise would be ridiculous. But and it's a big but I am so hacked off with this statement. Up until the last couple of weeks we were in the thick of a race for fourth. That is now a very long shot. This statement is going to do nothing to help us in the rest of the season but create speculation that brings yet another cloud over the club. He's playing a game with the club. Yes he's been unbelievably good for us but so have we for him. And I won't sit back and watch someone screwing with our club no matter what he's done. We'll still be here long after he's gone. I get that loads won't agree but anyone else feeling this way?

Nice one lads

J20 {Ed025's Note - i can certainly see your point j20..

He's holding all the cards at the moment. Is he waiting to see if any 'big' clubs come in for him? I suspect he is but if that doesn't materialise he'll reluctantly sign a new deal with us, I guess, which isn't the ideal situation. Personally, I hope he goes so we can move forward with someone more positive.

15 Feb 2013 20:11:28
May I remind everyone that Moyes did exactly the same when his last contract ran down. We were at this stage of the season and he said he would not discuss signing a new contract until the season was done and dusted. He is only doing the same again to show the players that contracts have to be honoured and the time to talk about moving is in the closed season. It is possibly directed at Felli, but at least he should know when to talk about moving on. and that time is NOT now.
Degsypulford {Ed025's Note - i dont agree degsyp...letting anyones contract run down is a mistake...which which happened with pienaar mate..

I think Moyes will go, he is talking the only thing that matters is top four, hope we don't roll over in the cup like we normally do. The cup should be just as important as trying to get in top four. Moyes is sounding very negative, board needs to find money if he is to stay and quick.

I think Moyes has been touched and is now an Everton supporter for life, he's going nowhere for a long time to come.
Ste Old Swan.

15 Feb 2013 18:27:04
Personally I think moyes knows that felli is off in the summer
along with heitinga and with the tv money wants a big chunk of cash in the summer to rebuild the squad. He is playing a game and quiet simply if he doesn't get big cash his gone.

bluepaddy

I think moyes will be backed and will stay,. are board has to have the financial sense and has to do everything in it's power to keep him, in some ways it's similar to villa even thou o Neil was backed a lot more than moyes,. by not backing oneil look how fast villa have declined.

15 Feb 2013 18:00:33
Moyes as gone as far as he can wiv us, time for a fresh new manager'di canio or laudrup

Respect to Di Canio for his sportsmanship when our goalie (Paul Gerrard) was laying injured, but as a manager: emphatically no!
As for Laudrup: a revelation this season and, if he could be lured away from Swansea, then might be an inspired choice.
My concern is that Sam Allardyce will leave West Ham in the summer (thereby having no compensation payable) and would become DM's replacement at Everton. Fellaini out, Kevin Davies in, progressive/expansive football no chance, long ball batter them tactics supreme. We won't get relegated, but we won't be entertaining the dwindling Goodison crowds.
Concerned Citizen

15 Feb 2013 16:52:42
Moyes on tv sport news saying he won't be signing a new contract until the end of the season, he wants to see how the team gets on in the league and cup before he makes any decision. COYB. Steffan'o Blue

I wish we could all have that luxury. but being born blue means we are here for life. please please can we find someone to buy our club

15 Feb 2013 16:02:50
Sorry Ed 25, and fellow blues but i'm a bit pissed of now with Moyes I always supported him even when he gets it wrong. There is another 4 million a year contact on the table there for him with a club that respects him and gives him full controll. If you do not want it thank you for everything you done for us, and please close the door behind you on the way out and let us move on. Howard is the latest player now to comment on Moyes contract it is obviously on the players minds we do not need that distraction now when were aiming for 4th and the Fa cup its ridiculous either stay or go cause i'm really annoyed now with Moyes really pissed off sick of it now. Stef the really pissed of with Moyes blue {Ed025's Note - i can see your point stef.. it needs clearing up, sooner rather than later!..

U should be pissed off with kenwright and board, what planet are you on,

I don't know what planet the original poster is from, but I suspect it's the same as mine: the real world. On the other hand, the replying poster who asked the question appears to be from the planet "talking-out-of-Uranus".
C. A. Jones

Although I wish Moyes would just sign the new contract, part of me thinks this is maybe his way of getting the most out of the team for the rest of the season. If they put in 110% to try convince him to stay it can only lead to a good end of the season for us blues!. you never know!
blue gavlar

DM's body language on TV interviews post- and especially pre- match have been worrying me for most of the present season.

The message I'm getting is . I've done my best given 100% etc. I don't want to do this anymore.

Blue247

I think Stef is right, Moyes and the new contract situation could affect the team performance from now until the end of the season. Moyes needs to tell the players what exactly is going on.

ToffeeMike

Reply to c. a. Jones questioning moyes, you tell me why moyes should sign a new contract, I'm cynical about kenwright because I'm sick of the mistakes over ground issues over rubbishty commercial and sponsorship deals that leaves us behind the likes of spurs, lpool arsenal. the selling of are best players every year. lack of investment, oh ya he found earl when gregg threatened his position, you tell me what has earl done 4 everton. Moyes has saved everton end of, so if moyes like all evertonions his takin the board to account good for him.

In the real world giv me some good facts that this board has done for everton without involving moyes without talking out of your uranus just one that's takin us forward

A manager should be paid based upon success, moyes has laid foundations and a structure ready for the next manager to come in and move us to the next level, which as long as its not big sam then we will move foward, moyes is on silly money when you look at what he's won, I mean yeah he's been great in making us a solid top half club but we deserve more and want far more, the board have offered him a deal to make even more money yet he still hasn't signed, i'd put money on him jumping ship if we don't get 4th or atleast win the cup
marouanes mop

15 Feb 2013 14:44:04
all this talk or play barkley etc. yeah it would be nice but moyes must have reasons for not playing him. yet. just trust what he is doing and it could also be a test of barkleys attitude to see if he is willing to put in hours on the bench or out on loan, just like osman did when starting out. moyes will have his reasons and I am sure we will see barkley very soon. also this contract talk. if moyes isn't going to sign a new one, he is hardly likely to say it at this moment publically because of what it will do to the morale of the team. they would be disappointed and also have no reason to impress him and keep him happy as he'd be going soon. I am still confident he'll sign, hopefully he'll announce it before a possible semi or final at wembley in the cup. coyb. IMWT

Or if we had played osman a lot more when we could have in at the time what was a poor team we would have seen him come along far better and in an england shirt far sooner ;) or maybe we will waste barkley and throw him away like wallace, baxter, rodwell
marouanes mop

Wallace and baxter?! and where exactly are they now?

15 Feb 2013 14:17:06
Looks like the writting is on the wall for moyes. Said he waiting to see how the team finish in the league, imo with what went on in jan can't see us pushing for 4th and think its going to be hard to beat any of the teams around us to 5th, yes it all sounds doom and gloom but I really wouldn't blame the man I mran how can he stay for 11 years and not win anythin on a shoe string, like all good young players thete is always the next level, and I think he deserves a chance with some mon
ey which big bill would never be able to give him.
Thats just what I think. Plus got fat fingers small phone so if any mistakes you spot I apologise now.

15 Feb 2013 12:08:17
Very interesting IMHO discussion on Sky's Footballers' Football Show about financial fair play, etc. , with David Dein (ex-Arsenal vice chairman), David Gold (West Ham joint chairman), Christian Purslow (ex-Liverpool managing director). By the way, intriguing that the the show's abbreviation is FFS, which is probably what some of you muttered when you read those names!
Cutting to the chase:
We must move to a new stadium - without that we'll struggle to get the match day income and commercial income that other clubs do.
All such income could be spent irrespective of the fair play rules about wages, etc.
We must stop reporting losses - that's a big part of the fair play rules.
We will be restricted on wages just like every other EPL club, so that should mean we have more of a level playing field.
We must continue to find gems in the transfer market - just like DM has been doing.
A sugar daddy would be great, but whoever eventually buys the club must use their own money and not borrow money that puts the club in debt.
I'm no expert, but I think the above is the gist of what we need.
I suspect that one of BK's issues with getting investment is the prospect of diluting his share of the equity in the club, but surely it's better to have the investment in the form of equity rather than loans or similar debt? Perhaps someone - not an "anti-BK rent-a-gob" - could offer a reasoned view?
Cowpat Sid {Ed025's Note - i seen that sid, really good insight into FFP, purslow and dein also said ground sharing with liverpool would really benefit both clubs, as that seems the only way forward for both parties..im in favour myself, what do you guys think?..

It would be pointless moving to a new, bigger stadium as we hardly ever sell out as it is. And as for sharing with Liverpool, I would give up completely with football if that ever happens. I'm losing interest in it now, that would be the tipping point.

Mike

As an Everton supporter man and boy for fifty years, I never imagined that ground sharing with that lot across the park would ever seem right, but our poor level of match day income compared to those clubs with bigger, better, modern stadiums has to be faced realistically. A shared stadium - in Stanley Park perhaps - is something I would favour now, but I accept that I'm probably in a minority. All I'd say is that we save the passion and emotion and tribal loyalty for when we're supporting the team on match days and and use cold, realistic, financial logic when considering the long term future of our club. If we don't have a sugar daddy and can't afford a new stadium on our own, we surely must be pragmatic about our options. Once a blue, always a blue - even if it's in a shared stadium!
Cowpat Sid

15 Feb 2013 14:46:39
I'm with you Ed. The system works well in Italy & Germany. Each set of fans have their own "end", the grounds are generally top quality & both clubs benefit financially. It would also show the rest of the country that Scousers are both proper fans AND people. It's an obvious way forward as far as I'm concerned. (Now I'll steel myself for all the abuse!)

Toffee Tezza {Ed025's Note - both of our teams are strapped for cash tezza, and to halve the cost of a new stadium seems the most viable, and sensible, thing to do...im sure not everyone will agree mate, especially those with their own agenda, but for me its a no-brainer..

Works in milan, works in munich would work in liverpool, a merseyside arena basically, we would fill a new ground as would they, would generate more money, encourage players to play better and know they are at a club looking towards the future
marouanes mop {Ed025's Note - im with you mate...it would also be a great arena for concerts, boxing and other sports, which will create income..

You're obviously entitled to your opinion, Mike, but I agree with the posters taking a positive view about ground sharing.
C. A. Jones {Ed025's Note - mike not wanting it, and losing interest, can only be seen as a positive jonesy..

If we don't get a new stadium, we'll be overtaken by other clubs and be doomed to mid-table mediocrity or worse. Without massive new investment, a ground-share seems the only practical answer.
Concerned Citizen {Ed025's Note - its the way forward for me citizen..

Exactly ed, I know people would say and we could attract players from all over too, but i'm a big fan of making success not buying it, like barcelona are doing now, bilbaos ideas are brilliant and if everyone was forced to do that football would be amazing, a lot more passion and commitment, players playing for their clubs not themselves, would give teams like ourselves, southampton, west ham, plymouth, all who bring through talent to actually see what they've made develop and gain success from it, rather than city, chelsea, uniteds who buy these foreign big names to dominate, then waste the young english talents they buy too, but yes it would help clear our debts a lot quicker having a joint stadium, does anyone know what our debts exact figure is ed?
marouanes mop {Ed025's Note - last i heard mate, it was just short of £50m, which is not huge..

Inter Milan and AC Milan have shared a stadium (since the late 1940s I think) and have both won trophies, including the European Cup, since then. Why can't we get over the emotion and make a financially prudent decision in the current economic climate to ground share.
WonHungLo {Ed025's Note - it does seem the logical answer for both clubs mate..

Without a new stadium, we're doomed to become a small club and might even go out of business. Will the last of the die-hard, "little Englander aka little Evertonian", "I'll never ground share", blinkered fan that comes out of Goodison Park when it is forced to close its doors please switch off the lights - assuming we were able to pay the electricity bill.
Fred Flintstone {Ed025's Note - i would not go that far fred...but i agree it would be a big move forward mate..

It is not going to happen though is it? Liverpool are due to expand Anfield to 60,000, so why would they bother abandoning those plans to share with us? We wouldn't fill a bigger stadium, it is not going to happen as it doesn't make sense.

Mike {Ed025's Note - i think it makes perfect sense mike..between us we could build a great stadium, at half the cost!, selling our grounds, and getting naming sponsorship, along with corporate sponsorship, would mean we would both have a state of the art stadium, at a fraction of the cost of two stadiums...the location of stanley park, would also mean the transition would be seamless for both parties..

I agree to a point ed. But how much would it cost to build a stadium? How much will it cost Liverpool to expand Anfield? Surely it would be cheaper for them to add 15,000 seats than to go halves on building a new 60,000+ stadium. I just can't see it ever happening. I maybe wrong though. (Although that is doubtful as I am always correct).

Mike {Ed025's Note - the cost would not be that great mike...taking into account the sales of the grounds, and corporate sponsorship, naming rights etc..

Ed if our debt is 50 million I say wipe it and rebuild, sell fellaini, sell heitinga and jelavic, naismith and gueye, get whatever free we can and go from there so what we will have 1 rubbishty year maybe two but then we will be debt free and able to spend, logical or wishful thinking ed?
marouanes mop {Ed025's Note - it would be hard to rebuild in the championship mop...which is where we would end up with that plan mate..

15 Feb 2013 10:17:45
if the deal was right would anyone have rodwell back?

Never rated him that highly except for the goal he scored against Man Utd. Big strong lad. Looks older than his years. Choice of pass in defence poor. Goes missing or takes easy option most times. I may be wrong but players have usually started to shine by now. Admit his injuries have set him back. Perhaps he will be a decent player, but I don't think he will be a world beater. I would say the opposite about Wilshere at the Arse tho. He looks like he will be England captain for years to come if he gets protection from refs.
Degsypulford

Said all along he would make a great cb big strong and yes he can pass a ball. Don't forget prior to his injury he had played for England.

If city said to us tomorrow 20/25 million plus rodwell for fellaini i'd bite there hand off, get him in the team tell the lad look your playing the holding role work hard on it in training and develop him properly, give him confidence by playing him and watch him grow, barkley playing every other game in attacking mid rotating with osman till he's fully ready, I think we have threw away the opportunity for a generation of quality footie players all local and from our own system that could send us onwards and upwards
marouanes mop {Ed025's Note - to be honest mop..i think we done well to get what we did for him...the kid had potential, but never achieved it with us. i wish him well, but dont want him back..

I dunno ED I mean if he was given the chance and a position to make his own I think he'd be a brilliant player, I mean he's far more mobile than fellaini around the pitch and since marouanes hype he's been very lazy and arrogant on the pitch I think, if we could get him back for 5/6 million i'd do business, what about baxter or wallace ED? think they were wasted? or is barkley being wasted?
marouanes mop {Ed025's Note - IMO mop...baxter has more potential than rodders..but hey, im not the manager mate..

I think baxter has potential too ED but the one i'm most disappointed we let go of is wallace, the guy looks exceptional on the ball, picks a pass, strong and runs forever yet still under 20, left as we won't give him more opportunities yet we buy naismith? hitz? these players who play bit part roles who wed be better off bringing through youth, local lads to get games and actually given a chance to prove themselves, but i'd personally take rodders back, if we got the money plus him for fellaini i'd take it, clear a big chunk of debt and let rodwell cement himself to show true potential and current quality? not think it would work ED?
marouanes mop {Ed025's Note - i dont mop, i just dont think he has developed mate, but i do agree about giving our younger lads a shot..

14 Feb 2013 23:23:19
moyes has raised concerns about us only ever being a one half a season team due to small squad he also raised his worries about osman, baines and pienaar burning out because they have played so much this season so do you think we could cope without them three for the oldham game? i'm not dis respecting oldham or under estimating them but if he is that concerned then why not?
how about this team. would it be enough (anichebe, coleman and hibbert injured)

howard

neville jagielka distin oviedo

naismith gibson hitselsperger mirallas

jelavic fellaini

subs
mucha
duffy
baines
heitinga
osman
pienaar
vellios

surely enough in the starting 11 and a good bench?

I would like to think that team would be beat Oldham mate, but you never know in the cup, you could play your reserves and win 5-0 and play your best 11 and lose 2-1. It's the cup, don't think the team selection matters too much, but as you said Moyes has been talking about players needing a rest mainly Baines, Pienaar and Osman so if he is so concerned then why not rest them doesn't matter if it's the cup game or our next league game, if he is so worried then give the lads a game on the bench

If baines is fit he will play Oviedo in for
Peanut Fellaini for osman mirrales in a free role behind jelavic Naismith on the
Right distin back in for heitinga thank god

15 Feb 2013 10:41:52
Absolutely!

Great opportunity to rest some players and if things are going bad they are always on the bench to change things round!

Fellaini should play though. He had a rest at Christmas.

Distin had a rest last week.

Unfortunately we don't hava a decent 2nd Goalkeeper though so Hoard will have to play.

Howard

Neville Duffy Distin Oviedo


Mirrallas Gibson Hitzlesperger Naismith

Fellaini

Jelavic

Subs

Mucha
Jagielka
Baines
Osman
Pienaar
Anichebe
Vellios

Howard

stones duffy distin oviedo

naismith hitz osman mirralles

jela vellios

Stones cup tied

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