Everton Banter Archive October 15 2013

15 Oct 2013 23:12:28
No more debate. Baines has eloquently and self performed 2 artisan displays of high polish. He is the No. 1 left Full Back for England. Will he stay with us? I don't know but I hope he does. However, of this I do see - his sale value has just rocketed. GBP 13M - err, GBP 23M+ I think.

Some big words there, the only word that's needed is "Class"

Hasnt mirallis been filling in for pienaar this season never seen mc carthy play on the left before the fact someone says he's got a great understanding with coleman as been mist we all love the blues why argue

15 Oct 2013 20:23:50
Gibson carried off after 35 mins of Ireland game, came down heaven on his right knee, looks like a lengthy lay off, Bobby M in the stands looked concerned too!

Kurajan

Good job we signed McCarthy and Barry or we'd be buggered
As for Gibson I'd get rid ASAP as he's the perennial sick note and will never give us more than 15-20 games per season. Good, effective player on his day and can make a good, positive contribution to the way we play but simply can't be relied upon.

15 Oct 2013 17:40:10
Ed 25, or any other ed out of 10 how serious do you think redbull's intrest in Everton is or do you think they will go for West ham giving there London base and new stadium on the way. {Ed013's Note - They would be silly not to consider Everton and if the rumours are true about buying an English Club I can't see why Everton wouldn't be high on the list. Ed 25 will have a better view on this, I just feel that it is all smoke with no fire}

15 Oct 2013 18:36:00
If we were took over by red bull could they sponsor us like man city owner did to give us a bigger income against the financial fair play rule. {Ed002's Note - No.}

Red bull would give us has big backing like Chelsea gets

K.i just thought that man city got sponsored a massive deal off their own owner to combat the financial fair play rule.may be wrong but was just checking {Ed002's Note - You need to read up on it.}

15 Oct 2013 13:45:44
If this Red Bull takeover was ever to happen. (Think West Ham are probably favourites purely on location and having a ready to go stadium) what sacrifices are people making to make in order for investment to be forthcoming.

In an ideal world I think most of us would like a mega rich owner to come in and not mess around with the structure at all, in reality though if your pumping millions/billions into a venture your going to want to make changes.

personally i'm getting pretty fed up of getting so close but just not having that final financial push to be challenging so I'm pretty much willing to accept, ground name changes, team name changes as long as Everton is still involved somehow, even at a push kit changes (although ideally not Red) as these can all be changed back if the venture is not successful. Before everyone has a go, I don't want Red. No Way, however in the grand scheme of things if it was a deal breaker for investment, could I put up with it? Probably. If we were successful it would make it much easier. (Any Cardiff ed's like to jump in with the general feeling regarding your kit change, now that your in the premier league?)

I personally think Red Bull would be great for us as looking at other teams they have sponsored, even if they haven't been overly succesful they haven't jettisoned them.

As ever just my opinion interested to see what everyone thinks.






More importantly for me is to keep the playing/coaching/scouting set up the same as we have been so close with the current set up {Ed001's Note - Cardiff fans, judging by the ones I know and the staff at the club I know, are still very split. Different situation though, while Cardiff never started out in red, like Everton did initially, their main rivals now do not play in it either. So there is no stigma attached to changing to the colour of their main rival, like there would be for Everton (though I doubt very much Red Bull would change the kit colour to red anyway). Also Cardiff fans are upset about the change in badge that was forced on them, even though it is not their original badge either and has been changed fairly recently to encompass bluebirds, which have no real connection with either club or city! It is a big change though, not helped by Vincent Tan still being viewed with distrust by a large part of the following. Success has begun to swing the support in his favour though, give it five years of doing well and I would expect the support to fade for blue in Cardiff. To the degree of being unnoticed by most outside of the area.}

15 Oct 2013 13:35:28
To Ed 001

Just want to say that I am loving the latest ads mate, the factual ones (15 most?), never learnt so much in my life.

Like going back to school but in a good sort of way. Even got the kids looking at them now {Ed001's Note - glad they are better than the usual ads we get offered. I haven't even got round to looking at them, we turned the adverts over to an agency to try and start moving away from Adsense. The agency is only a small company and they seem very good so far, even getting the video ads to change from just showing football news to altering the tags for specific teams. So they are due the praise, rather than myself.}

15 Oct 2013 12:50:16
With all the talk of Red Bull looking to invest in a Premier League Club, it has got mw thinking on how the could market themselves without ripping the heart ans soul out of the club.
I for one would welcome their investment they have a good track record in sport, all be it they tend to want their brand name linked to the club name.

Say for instance they wanted to add their name in to the title of the club, they may wish to call the club,
Red Bull Everton
Everton Red Bull

Or they could leave it alone and promote through more traditional methods such as shirt sponsorship, stadium naming, billboards, marketing on their cans.

The product was developed off the back of a Thai recipe and changed. Red Bull are based in Austria.

They have developed many products and have used their name on many computer games and also own a record label.
If they were to build a new stadium or revamp Goodison, names that could be used maybe;
The Red Bull Peoples Stadium

Historically our nickname is the Toffees, we are also called the Blues.
They may wish to rebrand us, so what could we be called?
Called we be called Red Bull Everton.
Red is a colour. Many teams wear as a football shirt, the Mancs, The reds, The Gooners.
I'm not saying that we should buy in, but could it be a price we are willing to pay to incorporate the name to have their money. I suppose the point i'm trying to get across is that they are a powerful brand worth billions. Although they use Red Bulls in their logo, they predominantely use an electric blue to advertise, blue and silver cans. Take a look at their can called Red Bull Blue edition.

Personally the word red to me is just a colour, redbull is a brand. Everton is the peoples club, it has heart, it has soul, it has loyal support worldwide, it is more than a colour, we are also a brand in itself who are based in a city. The city of Liverpool, although we prefer Merseyside. So merging two great brands Is that a bad thing?
The question I pose is if we are Everton and they are Red Bull why would they want to rip the heart out of the club. The supporters are the club, whether they are from Merseyside, Thailand or elsewhere. Without us there is no brand or club.
I say look at their brand name and not the colour.

Everton Blue Bulls
Everton Lightening
Toffees
Blue lightening

Whether there is truth in the rumours or not, we should be open minded to see what is on the table. Football in the premier league is no longer British or, European. It is worldwide. We have supporters worldwide.

I hope I haven't bored u all, just thought i'd try to put a little perspective into the melting pot.
Other club owners use their club to market their own products i.e. ethiad, emirates etc.
So do we go down fighting saying we are Everton you can't have us or do we say yes. we like redbull come buy us and you can add your name to ours and name a stadium to.

The club will still be known as Everton to me, as long as the true fans are behind the club because Everton will never die no matter what league we are in.

The difference with red bull as opposed to Chang and our other sponsors is that Chang et al want to be associated with us, our brand, Everton.
Red Bull want to take over the brand that is Everton so that it becomes Red Bull, not Everton, as they have shown with other clubs, teams they have taken over.
Big difference

15 Oct 2013 13:30:21
Enjoyed that Aw, passionate post mate.

Dont know yet were my own mind is at mate, could I or couldn't I do the red bit, if they built us a stadium and showered 30 million pound players upon us would I sell myself

Probably yes mate because I only want what we all want and that is a friggin trophy

Seriously though at present my heart is winning by saying no way Pedro would I like us to be called EFC Red Bulls but money talks and we all know how money can turn even the most loyal, passionate person

Cheers Degsy.
Its gut wrenching isn't it.

I am sure their marketing guru's would work out how passionate our fans are. Just look at the outcry over the badge.

European Football is almost bordering on becoming franchised. Just look what happened in American Football.

Premier League Teams are now global business and have become cash cows.
When you think of the money sides have spent they are not light years away from ourselves.

Yes we are Everton, but its not every day businesses like Red Bull come knocking. Further to this the likes of Nike would clearly be interested because of the potential increased fan base.

Would West Ham fans like to be called The Red Bull Hammers or West Ham Red Bulls.
Yes they are a London side, but being biased we already have a decent team, Up and coming manager and a loyal fan base. Whether they see potential in Everton is another matter.

Yes it is early days and this is one that will clearly pull on the heart strings, so let's keep cool and watch this space.

Have you heard any more Eds from your sources whether meetings have taken place with Red Bull representatives and our chairman? {Ed025's Note - only what i posted last night AW, but if red bull were to take over, i believe bobby would be replaced by ralf rangnick, who is desperate to manage in the prem, and is their top guy..but thats my personal opinion..

15 Oct 2013 06:27:01
every time change is mentioned ie badges new manager Martinez . new stadium anything which moves away from staid old days .like red bull for instance and dino saur moaners come out yes the old glory days were wonderful but last one was 1995 .change or sink that's the choice .