Everton Banter Archive December 16 2013

16 Dec 2013 22:09:46
This is just guesswork but I'm guessing we have about £20 million left over from the Fellaini and Anichebe sales, plus if the board is aspirational enough to back us with extra funds in the region of £10-15 mil in January then theoretically we could have about 30 something mil to spend, along with the money raised from possible outgoings. If that is the case I think we should go in for Jackson Martinez from Porto, he only has 2 1/2 years left on his contract so I think we could get him for about £23 mil. He's been banging them in for Porto this season, and I think his stats speak for themselves.

Secondly, I think we could get Morgan Schneiderlin from Southampton for about £7 mil, he's massively underrated and in my opinion he'd be great back up for this season plus he would probably push through into the first team in a year or so.

Thirdly, I think we should sign is Grant Hanley from Blackburn for about £3-4 mil. Some people may raise an eyebrow at this one but if anyone actually took the time to watch him last season you'd see what a good defender he is, plus I think he's still only 22 or something.

And finally, I think we should sign Leighton Baines on a five year contract. Without a doubt one of the best left backs in the World and brings so much to the table, everything must be done to make him sign a contract!

So January could potentially look like this:

Ins:
Jackson Martinez - £23 mil
Morgan Schneiderlin - £7 mil
Grant Hanley - £3.5 mil

Total spent: £33.5 mil

Outs:
Johnny Heitinga - £3 mil

If the board pushed the boat out for once and financed these moves I think that top 4 would definitely be within our reach.

Thoughts lads?

BitterBlue

No chance of martienz as real chelsea after him we should got him before porto what about muriel for 25 to 30

16 Dec 2013 23:01:34
jackson martinez? the 27 year old striker for porto valued at 40m who has never played in a top league and isn't even that good for his country, no thank you that is silly you may aswell of said hey why don't we get aguero or why don't we buy falcao they would be more realistic than him, schneiderlin is quality and is worth at least 18m and southampton don't need to sell so you are in dream land if you believe we can get him

Mike-Ox Long

Interesting post.
Based on our recent financial history, there's no way IMHO that our board will fund any spending that can't be covered by current income or what we have left over from last summer's transfer dealings. The idea that they'd dip into their own pockets - even if they could - or would put the club further in debt just doesn't seem likely.
If/when Jackson Martinez moves, it'll surely only be to a club in the Champions League.
I just can't see Southampton letting Schneiderlin go - and then only for a fee that's double what you've suggested.
As for, Grant Hanley, he seems more like a player DM would have been interested in and not one that RM would - but what the heck do I know!

For that money instead of Martinez we got to be doing everything to get Lukaku. The only obscure player i'd risk big money on is Yevhen Konoplyanka of Dnipro. What a player, he would flourish in our system and rip premier league defences to shreds

Roberto has said he thinks January is a bad time to spend as you don't get a good value for players before, I think we'll spend 7-12mil, but that's a complete guess of course

17 Dec 2013 09:41:46
i'd have to agree with maxamillion. the closest plyer style to messi I have seen. ball control and sheer skill in abundance. but we will not sign anyone for more than 10 mill. craighuytonblue

16 Dec 2013 18:34:37
Horrible rumours on social network sites via. Tottenham are interested in Martinez. Tell them where to get off Bill.

Of course they're interested, but they've got just two chances of getting him: slim and none - and Slim just left town! No doubt the numerous lazy journos will stir things up, but I expect the few (very few) decent journos to quash this non-story posthaste.

16 Dec 2013 19:02:14
In stitches reading this. Yeah as if

16 Dec 2013 19:04:33
really? believing the daily mail is bad but believing ANYTHING said on any form of social networking site is quite funny really, the most unreliable things on earth

1.martinez has only just joined
2.we are a bigger club
3.he loves it here
4.the players love him
5.the fans love him
6.we are doing better than they are
7.we have a better team
8.he just took part in the clubs christmas video! why leave after that!

Mike-Ox Long

If they promise him bag loads of money to spend on players he may be interested? Oh I just remembered, they just wasted bag loads of money on new players. perhaps they have none left now?
Degsypulford

16 Dec 2013 20:21:17
Glenn Hoddle perfect man for that job. He will get them playing again and could make them a threat to us. Its a shame they had to sack AVB, he was doing a good job keeping them average whilst wasting ridiculous amounts of money

{Ed003's Note - Did he waste all the money though ? }

16 Dec 2013 21:19:56
Was just passing remark but is that reference to Baldini 003?

{Ed002's Note - It was.}

Gotta lay the blame at AVBs door. His teams play very average football. One fish out of water up top on his own and then an abundance of midfield players who lack the desire to make forward runs. Therefore, everything is just side to side at slow tempo. If I was a Spurs fan I would be glad to see the back of him because they play dull, boring football and that's something noone could ever have said about the Redknapp team. People slate Harry, but his Spurs side were a joy to watch.

What? Jackson Martinez? Not sure they can afford him mate they spent all their 100m already

Gotta lay the blame at AVB's door? That's a bit harsh isn't it, if he didn't identify the players. It's like giving a chef a beetroot, 2 packets of crisps and a jam of jar and expecting him to cook up a paella, or a bricky 2 tonnes of sand and an ice cream cone and ask him to build a wall. Not going to happen, how can he mould a team in his image if he doesn't have the right ingredients. It's partially his fault maybe, but you certainly can lay the blame with him.

16 Dec 2013 13:13:45
Ed what do you think about selling Baines for 15 million + a player. Oviedo in great form Luke Garbutt looks promising might not be as bad as people think

16 Dec 2013 18:10:52
id sell for just 15m as they don't have a single player to offer us who could add anything, here is the rumored players they were set to offer us

anderson-direct but still not enough
valencia-carp
hernandez-chuck him on 95th minute and take credit for rooneys goals so no
zaha loan-i would
welbeck-pffft awful
fabio-no
cleverley-dont even get me started on this useless pile of sugar

so again apart from the zaha loan which is the least likely of them I do not want anyone from their team, just 15m is more than enough for little leighton

Mike-Ox Long

Ajax: I agree that most of the players being touted as incoming part-exchanges are not good enough. IMHO they'd be more "lightweight" than "makeweight" in any transfer deal. Anyway, I'd rather keep Baines, but if he moved on, then I'd expect it to be a means to an end in the RM plan to strengthen the team/squad over the next few transfer windows - alongside developing and bringing through the best of our U-18 and U-21 talent.
Based on RM's transfer dealings at Everton to date, I'd be prepared to support any player he wanted to bring in and also support him if he deemed it necessary in the great scheme of things to move a really popular/talented player out. Heck, I'd support anyone in an Everton shirt as long as that player always tried his very best for the team.

I would take Rooney part ex.
Degsypulford

16 Dec 2013 21:23:25
RVP, Rooney and Januzaj for Baines or no deal.

Think Bainsy should just sign a new deal and finish his career with us. Oviedo is now an amazing option to have because he looks like he could play anywhere on the pitch.

16 Dec 2013 14:25:51
Hi Eds and fellow Blues.

One thing that has concerned me in recent days when I got thinking is tha I think Roberto is possibly going to have another battle on his hands in January when the tranfer window comes about.
Given that we are now in the title mix at christmas I am worried that other top sides will half hinch our targets uf they are broadcast to the world in an attempt to stop us from strengthening. Secondly I can't see any of our rivals allowing any of their players to come to us.
Any business we do I believe will have to be done abroad or if we do sign from prem league very much under radar.
I hope that players from outside can see what is building at Goodison and that this will be a factor in choosing us.
However money talks with certain players, but saying that do we want that type of player in our squad? Look what's happened at the Spuds.

Anyway just thought I would put a different slant on things. thoughts?

Interesting original post.
IMHO, it's very unlikely that other clubs will move for our targets just to stop us. If they go for the same players, it's surely because the players in question are good. Anyway, our problem is that we don't have the money to pay the big fees and big wages for the really top players and we don't - yet ;-) - offer Champions League football.
One other thing - which I've posted about before - is that I believe it's ludicrous to imagine that pretty much every other club doesn't know about the talented players that are out there because: (a) the clubs' have their own extensive (worldwide) scouting networks these days; and (b) because agents will bombard clubs with details (videos, etc.) of every player they represent. All that matters is which club is prepared to take the risk and complete a transfer before the other clubs make their moves for a particular player.
We got the likes of Jagielka, Cahill, Arteta, Pienaar (first time), etc., etc., because DM (and BK) moved for them before other clubs were prepared to ante up. Now it's down to RM (and BK) to be similarly effective - and the likes of McCarthy plus the loans of Barry, Lukaku and Deloufeu have certainly shown a good start to the club's transfer dealings under RM. (Not forgetting the very good money received for Fellaini and Anichibe as well!)

16 Dec 2013 13:56:50
Poor poor Spuds fans, spending a £100 million and getting a fancy manager doesn't always bring you success

Imagine what Sir Bobby Martinez could do with £100 million, I would rater be a skint club with our history and team ethics than one of the spend spend spend glory hunters, would love us to give Bobby £100 million still though

We really really feel your heartache you poor old Spuds fans.

Too many class midfielders but no center back while a couple got injury. Poor man management AVB. And this is difference between Mourinh or AVB.and Bobby.

16 Dec 2013 11:36:22
An insight into our manager and the stark contrast to the previous regime. One of the first things Roberto Martinez did as Everton manager was send an open invite to the great Howard Kendall to Finch farm to spend time with the players and staff. In 11 years as manager, David Moyes did not do this once.We all know Boss ain't quite what he used to be, but more than anything it was seen as a classy thing to do and got Roberto off on the right track with some of our well known former players and flag bearers. Apparently the feeling inside the club under Martinez is similar to that in the 80s. He takes time to speak to anyone and make them feel involved. he's already created a very positive club environment, more so in 6 months than David Moyes was able to manage in 11 years at the club.

Great post Maxi.

Here here nice one Max