Everton Banter Archive December 16 2019

16 Dec 2019 22:32:50
Lots of negative comments about moise kean on here. stating he doesn't work hard, he's not good enough. saying italian league is slow. etc. This is a 19 yr old kid, living in a strange city, playing (until 2 games ago) for a Sh! t team, who doesn't speak english, played on left wing, right wing and cf positions. can any of the people who have been in a similar experience (even just half of this) say they soared. This kid needs a chance, he needs looking after. just like marcel said he would.

16 Dec 2019 22:46:48
Good point JCL, lad needs time and the correct management for sure. However it’s not like this is 19yr old, fighting in the army in Basra with a wife and child at home on there own and picking up weekly what the other won’t pick up in a year is it either! Hard one as these superstars seem to be from a different plant to the rest of us!

17 Dec 2019 09:00:14
Blu 1, that there hits the spot mate, a really good point .

17 Dec 2019 18:39:19
Blu, correct on all fronts. yes i agree there's a much harder way to earn a living. both these examples represent equal and opposite extremes. and most of us aren't exposed to either. but the point is that when your young and in an alien situation and surroundings its support you need. Our armed forces aside (brave men and women) in the context of football, he's a kid and a little patience wouldn't go a miss.

16 Dec 2019 21:54:18
My take on the Moise Kean situation. Players are miffed when they get subbed but they have to get on with it.
One thing though is all players get an acknowledgment from the manager regardless of how long they have been on. That is where Dunc has let himself down. We will back his decision of course but to ignore the lad when he came off is poor. This is a 19 year old lad who is in a new country, the least he deserves is to be treat like all the other players in this league. He's already had the abuse from the Italian supporters.
Let's at least give him the respect he deserves as a footballer.
As Evertonians we have seen others (schneids, mirallas, Williams) shirk their workload week in week out but even so, they have been acknowledged when taken off and Kean should get the same if not more.

16 Dec 2019 23:28:04
if the boss don't think he is good enough and he's had warning in training, good enough for me.

17 Dec 2019 09:38:40
Smitty, I do see your point mate honest, it's just Dunc is, well Dunc.
Something must have really pi**ed him off here and that ''something'' must be, (in DF's mind at least) detrimental to EFC.
Besides there are plenty of non Everton types ready and willing to take a pop.

16 Dec 2019 19:49:20
I can't believe that this is happening. Finally Everton are thinking like a big club again.

Please let this happen. Please Santa!

16 Dec 2019 20:27:52
if ancelotti does join after the other managers we have been link with its a great coup unreal to even think we could even try to get a manager of his cv to join us if he does get appointed as said above great appointment can't see many evertonians not wanting him roll on the carabue cup on wednesday C. O. Y. B.

16 Dec 2019 20:41:14
Me too. I had a fiver at 40/ 1 when he finished at napoli.

16 Dec 2019 20:56:09
He's in the top two most successful managers of the last 15 years. It's some statement to make.

16 Dec 2019 21:43:21
And when we're done with him he'll🤣 be in the top 20 managers of the last 15 and a half years.

16 Dec 2019 21:43:26
And when we're done with him he'll🤣 be in the top 20 managers of the last 15 and a half years.

16 Dec 2019 18:43:16
Hay ed 02 what team has the most annoying fans on this website we must be up there at the moment we never stop asking you questions about the next manager or would you rather not say incase you upset us lot 😂.

{Ed002's Note - it tends to vary - right now probably Arsenal as they are bleating and then maybe the whining Everton fans.}

16 Dec 2019 19:11:37
😂😂 thought so.

16 Dec 2019 19:15:10
Surely Toffees never 'whine' dash it all by gad 🧐 I've heard it all now 🤥.

16 Dec 2019 20:17:37
I've never moaned on here blue247 ever 🤔😂😂.

16 Dec 2019 17:27:43
Any truth to the reports that Carlo is on merseyside for talks? I seen it on sky sports news but we all know how reliable they are.

{Ed002's Note - I have no idea where he is but he is often open to discussions with clubs about any opportunities.

16 Dec 2019 17:55:58
Read online that Ancelotti is in Rome. Think it was from Guilleme Ballague that said it.

16 Dec 2019 18:43:17
Hes about as reliably as sky sports hahaha.

16 Dec 2019 19:19:30
Not sure if anyone is aware but there’s been a new invention called a mobile phone, apparently you don’t have to be in the same place to have discussions with people 😳.

16 Dec 2019 20:19:45
There’s also this thing called video conferencing so they could see each other as well, amazing stuff! 🤣.

16 Dec 2019 10:22:42
Give the job to big Dunc got us playing again.

16 Dec 2019 11:22:43
dont appoint with emotion, its been good but let's not jump into anything.

16 Dec 2019 09:46:41
Great result and a wonderful performance, special mention for Baines he was brilliant nullified James one of the quickest winger in the Premiership, our defence just looked more secure with him in there, Coleman looked similar to Baines and great to see him back, Keane is starting to regain the form that made him one of the best central defenders in the country.

Mina also surprised me, he seems to of calmed down and is looking a decent defender, my man of the match performer was Mason Holgate, he was brilliant last week against Chelsea and didn't get enough credits for that performance, playing as a defensive midfielder yesterday and he was Brilliant in everything, he will only get better, Iwobi and Davis never stopped running, tremendous work rate, Richarlison and Dominic Calvert- Lewis look like they are forging a partnership to be feared.

I felt for Kean it must of been traumatic and upsetting for him to be substituted after only 18 minutes, let's hope Duncan reassured him afterwards, I probably just think the occasion got to Duncan a little, he didn't have to make a substitution, I suppose if he said he was doing it for wasting time, than in reality the Kean was the only player he could take off in that situation. Let's hope Kean comes on again against some lesser opposition and proves his ability, still a baby.

16 Dec 2019 10:46:56
Good post Uran mate. re MK, it's true he is still young, and personally I think he is still very green around the gills mentality wise, and perhaps at this moment in his equally young career at the wrong club at the wrong time with the wrong caretaker manager
Circumstances he will hopefully factor into his own knowledge of the game when he comes to terms with the reality of Everton football Club being bigger than 'any one player' full stop.

16 Dec 2019 20:06:26
Maybe with the possible incoming appointment of a fellow Italian in Ancelotti then Kean could learn something and stick around. Still has lots to learn but he is undoubtedly a talented prospect.

{Ed002's Note - Everton was only a stepping stone - it has not worked out and he wants to leave. It is nothing to do with the nationality of the incoming coach. You are all having some truly bizarre thoughts.}

16 Dec 2019 09:14:13
really good point yesterday considering the squad available. few points i'd like to bring up:

1. players stepping up, special mention DCL, holgate and mina for really stepping up past two games and leading by example, great mindset for them and new manager coming in should be impressed especially with mason yesterday

2. kean sub, harsh on the lad really bad, Everton are starting to get a reputation with these young players now for not fulfilling or even getting game time this needs to be changed.

3. iwobi getting a lot of stick, he's not a winger he's a ten doing a job for duncan out wide, works his stonks off for the team very good signing imo

4. good couple results with this side showing they can actually play football! new manager in maybe after arsenal and we go from there! COYB.

16 Dec 2019 11:15:22
Wblue - it’s frustrating that youngsters not currently getting game time - but with our current predicament is it the right time?
Us as fans can be really harsh at times and is that what these youngsters need if they fail to perform? We are in a relegation fight at the moment and in my opinion not the best time to be blooding youngsters.

Regards the Kean sub - so what? He came on and was atrocious, lost the ball, didn’t listen to instructions - should he have left him on even though wasn’t doing anything? What message does that send to him - carry on do what you want.

I’m glad he had the balls to take him off - teaches him a lesson and also sends a message to other players you’ve got to work for the team.

By your logic if we then let all our youngsters have a run out and leave them on if they are performing badly where does that leave us?

Regardless of age These guys are being paid a ridiculous amount of money to do their job and should be able to follow instructions.

I’m sure if you had a young milkman who constantly smashed your milk delivery you’d want him changed rather than letting him carry on as he’s young and learning?

16 Dec 2019 11:24:52
i didn't say we should be playing youngsters every game? i said everton are getting a bad reputation of how they are handling young players. which they are, vlasic sandro kean dcl davies kenny holgate all yet to hit the heights they should have been yet, so its not attractive to young players to come here at the moment.

16 Dec 2019 13:07:42
You're chatting bubbles mate. Vlasic is the only one I can kind of agree with. He's playing well now but it is the Russian league.

DCL, holgate and Davies get loads of game time and in my opinion are forming a real spine to the team and at the very least are great bench players. And Sandro has been poor for most teams he's played for. Kenny has gone/ been allowed to go on loan to get more game time, which is a good move for his career.

So calling Everton a bad place for young players is a ridiculous statement. If anything we are a great place for young players.

16 Dec 2019 13:56:48
you see it one way i see it another mate, we signed spains main u23 striker and ruined him, davies is the same level he was at when he first broke through. vlasic wasnt utilised properly and we've took one of europes biggest talents and hardly struck gold with him, you telling me young players around europe are going to look at the liks of vlasic lookman kean sandro's progress after being here and fancy it? if so mate i think you're the one 'chatting bubbles' behave.

16 Dec 2019 15:41:09
Well yeah if you pick 4 bad ones then you can make it look bad. To say we ruined sandro is a joke, he's not good enough. How is that Everton's fault? Davies is miles better than when he broke through.

Maybe you should look at some of the good young players to get better whilst at Everton. Stones, Lukaku, Richarlison, Rooney, DCL, Holgate, Coleman, Fellaini, Barkley. Etc.

Not every player is born superstar. A players development comes more from the effort of the player than the effort of the club. The youngsters here get a lot of chances to prove themselves if they don't that's not Everton's fault.

{Ed025's Note - im with you chris..

16 Dec 2019 06:19:05
Bad day for finc.