16 Nov 2013 18:03:01
Not a rumour, just thought I'd let people know that, from what I'm reading, Duffy is doing pretty well in the Championship. I read about Martinez saying he's been impressed by him, so I looked at his statistics and they make for good reading.
I know stats aren't necessarily a reliable or accurate portrayal of how good someone is, but 12.7 clearances per game is 1.2 more than ANY player in the top 5 divisions in the world. His 1.7 blocks per game is also higher than anyone else and his 5.7 aerial duels won per game is in the top 10.
These stats don't take into account any players outside the top 5 divisions (Premier League, Serie A, La Liga, Ligue 1 and Bundesliga), so there will of course be players with better stats than him and he is playing in a league where more headers and clearances are needed, but still, it's promising to read. His passing hasn't been so impressive, though, so I doubt he'll replace Distin, but he should be a good backup option.
Could it be Yeovil are crap and he's having to do a shed load of work, defending for large periods of the game, rather than him being a great defender?
This is a reply to the reply, I am not sure what your what your saying, is it you can only be a great defender if your not doing a shed load of work. I don't know of a great player who does'nt do anything.
No I'm saying Yeovil are most likely getting battered, hence more work for Duffy. It's not like he's a world beater and if he was as good as his stats make him out to be he'd be in our side, or at least the squad, or, since his stats are so good maybe Bayern or Barca will come calling?
Well if duffy is having to do most of the work and he is doing it well, then surely the ones who benefit are duffy and efc.would you rather he was on the bench or when playing, doing nothing because I for one wouldn't.
They're stats, they mean absolutely nothing in isolation. His stats are better than Thiago Silva, Pique, Ramos, Kompany et al. Is he better than them?
Duffy if good, would of got a game last season when we had johnny playing like a schoolboy when we was down to the bare bones
First reply: Yes, he is obviously being forced to do more work there, but the fact is, he is doing it. He is being forced to make 13 clearances a game, and is making them, not conceding 13 goals.
Second Reply: I completely agree.
Third reply: Why are you being a t***? I never said he was the best defender in the world, I simply said that his stats in an inferior division are impressive. Lighten up.
Fourth Reply: I am, indeed, happy that he is out on loan and prospering. Far more beneficial for everyone than him sitting on the bench.
Fifth Reply: They don't mean 'nothing', at all. AS I SAID, they aren't necessarily a true reflection of someones ability, but they can at least give you an insight into whether there is potential there or if they are a liability. Did I say he was the best defender in the world? No. If someone was scoring 300 goals a season in my 5-a-side league, are they better than Messi? No. But you can't dismiss that they could never be a professional footballer because they're playing 5-a-side.
Sixth Reply: Would he, though? Even when Moyes was here and still loved, I time and time again complained about his stubbornness. I, personally, would rather we played Jelavic at centre back, rather than Heitinga, but he insisted on playing him. He also played Naismith and Osman week in week out when Oviedo and Barkley where better choices. It wasn't because they weren't good enough, Moyes just made lots of dubious decisions.
Stats mean diddly squat. Take maybe Cleverley at Man U for example. He may complete the most passes and have the highest completion rate yet stats don't tell you how many were sideways, backwards, 2 yards, 5 yards and so on. He may have a better completion record than Pirlo or Xavi, doesn't mean he's good! And 'AS I SAID'?
So you are the arbiter, the final authority?
Duffy turns slower than an arctic truck on ice and would be ideal for Stoke, he's definitely not an Everton player, quality wise.
Is the post not just a summary of how one of our youngsters is doing out on loan? Where does he say he is a 'great' defender? I can feel the anger, all not going well mate? AB can you find out Osmans pass completion stats for this season?
What's playing in the prem, playing in the football league got to do with playing in a 5 a side, not even a good comparison, stats mean nothin mate there are some players who turn off in matches and make codstly mistakes, are there stats for that?
There is certainly no anger on my part. I'm merely stating that stats mean absolutely nothing taken in isolation. Ok, he's doing well, all's right with the world, doesn't make him a good player though and I'd bet a significant amount of cash he doesn't make it at Everton.
He's a good 'defender' maybe and a big unit but that's it, a Robert Huth or Mertesacker but he won't suit Bob's style.
Fair enough. Your opinion about Duffy is probably right. It just looked a bit of a get the knives out sesh for AB who was just showing us how he has been getting on. It's good he gets first team experience rather than getting no game time. As for stats, I'd hope one would never take a stat in isolation. They can always be put into context, positive or negative. Duffys read well in a defensive context. But as you point out, he is playing for a bottom championship side and probably has a lot more work to do. But they do mean something. Otherwise there would be no way of gauging how well a player is doing. It's better he makes the clearances and tackles than not make them
Thank you last commenter. I'm not quite sure why everyone got so aggressive here, I was literally just trying to give everyone an update that I thought would be viewed as positive, I never expected anyone would somehow get annoyed by it. And to whoever asked, Osman's pass completion is 87%