Everton Banter Archive December 17 2016

 

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17 Dec 2016 16:48:15
Hi Ed I see the financial results are out and that Mr Moshiri has loaned the club £80 mill can you tell me what this means with all the other technical jargon that comes with it many thanks GuernseyBlue.

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{Ed002's Note - He cannot gift sums like that to the club but he can loan the club money at a 0% interest rate - it needs to be paid back in cash or equity but he cannot be paid back in equity at this time without devaluing the investment of others. It can be used to pay off loans at a high rate of interest, and to some extent to buy players - people need to forget all of this £200M per window as I explained before. Some I am sure will be in the hands of architects working a move to a new stadium. Good times ahead - but sensibly managed (which I appreciate the fans don't want).}

18 Dec 2016 00:12:52
Ed002: there are plenty of fans (I'd say the majority) who appreciate that the club's path forward must be sensibly managed and will be subject to the prevailing financial regulations. However, we do expect some signs of this path being actively taken: a few squad improvements in January and definite news about athe new stadium at the AGM that same month - surely that's reasonable at the present time?

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18 Dec 2016 00:12:52
Ed002: there are plenty of fans (I'd say the majority) who appreciate that the club's path forward must be sensibly managed and will be subject to the prevailing financial regulations. However, we do expect some signs of this path being actively taken: a few squad improvements in January and definite news about athe new stadium at the AGM that same month - surely that's reasonable at the present time?

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{Ed002's Note - The club will be wary of saying too much to the fans after their previous awful behaviour. News of the ground comes when appropropriate. Right now Meis has provided some ideas of what he might be able to do if tasked with the final design - and he is aware of the different challnges at each site. Everton are looking to make changes in January but they won't do it at the behest of the fans.}

18 Dec 2016 11:41:12
Hi Ed many thanks for the info, very good insight as to how it all works, I am the same as you I too hope we don't get that very poor attitude from some of the so called fans when we are told what is happening, many thanks to you and all the Eds and have a very happy Christmas.

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{Ed002's Note - Thanks, and have a good holiday season.}

17 Dec 2016 18:08:12
I found the info on the club's official website about the annual report for 2016-2016 very interesting. I expect many fans wouldn't be bothered, but it helps answer a few questions about the club's finances. Don't get intimidated by the language and the numbers - just get the essence of how things are getting better. No doubt the club's AGM in early January will tell us more about the club's future - just as the January transfer window will show the board's and management's ambition and commitment.

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17 Dec 2016 14:42:20
Many fans comment upon how "thin" our squad is.
Well, we have a registered Premier League squad of 25 aged-over-21 players, which is the maximum allowed.
Admittedly, the quality of too many of those 25 is not good - plus we have long-term injuries (like Besic and Bolasie) - but we did name a full 25-man squad at the end of last Summer's transfer window.
In addition, two other aged-over-21 players have been loaned out (McGeady and Garbutt) while two more (McAleny and Rodriguez) are still at the club but omitted from the squad.
We also have several aged-under-21 players (Holgate, Davies, Calvert-Lewin, etc. ) who are vying for places in the first-team match-day lineups (starters or subs) .
So, notwithstanding the clear need to replace several members of the current aged-over-21 squad, I'd contend that to say it's "thin" is, from a purely numerical standpoint, not quite accurate. However, I've no doubt that several posters will say that what matters is that too many of the current 25 players are no good and it's the quality (not quantity) that's "thin" - and I can definitely agree with the truth of that argument.

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17 Dec 2016 21:22:56
Thats about the sum of it mate. There are 2 players with long term injuries. We have our captain who is showing signs of losing pace and possibly not being in the managers "pressing game" plan. We are likely at some stage to suffer more injuries and suspensions. it is the real world of football. then there is a bunch of players who at best are "back up". I woulddescribe that as a thin squad when you compare other clubs who can fill every position with 2 players.

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17 Dec 2016 05:39:20
This is purely hypothetical, as I cannot imagine it actually being remotely realistic, BUT how many of you would transfer out Barkley if it meant recruiting van Dijk?

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17 Dec 2016 07:30:35
That is a really hard question. and a good one. We do need a dominant center half like Van Dyke, but the squad is already woefully short of creative midfielders. I have been saying it for over 3 seasons now and people who criticised me for going on and on about it are also saying it now. Barkley and Davies are really the only creative ones we have who can play centrally so it would be like cutting off your right hand so that you could learn to be ambidextrous with the left. I would prefer to keep Barkley AND sign Van Dyke. Fund it by selling/ releasing Niasse, Gibson, McGeady, Barry, Cleverly and maybe Mori? Note: these are all Martinez signings. It might also be worth looking at how bad the injuries are to Bolasie and Besic. will they ever recover? That would be a lot of wages off the pay bill. but I don't know what we would get in as fees.

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17 Dec 2016 09:20:16
Degs player injuries are covered by insurance. Releasing them would actually cost us a lot of money. Plus, do we really want to be a club that doesn't stand by its players when they need it most? Although I understand evaluating the value of keeping players who constantly pick up injuries, to be honest I find it strange that you would consider releasing bolasie. A new player who has had a decent affect on the side who picked up one really bad injury.

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17 Dec 2016 11:01:59
Barkley is becoming an enigma, at 17-19 he was so promising then suffered a tragic leg break, he recovered and up to 21 was full of confidence and was scoring great goals, he started to make inroads into the England squad and was playing well, it was a choice him or Alli now there's no choice! At 23 now he seems to lack confidence and seems unsure of his role in the team I'm not sure what has gone wrong perhaps its just a mentality issue, but he needs to really start to up his game I'm sure RK will be patient but this cannot carry on regardless, he cannot be promising forever!

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17 Dec 2016 11:04:47
It's a strange question for me. You use a transfer window to redress any imbalance to the team. Getting rid of Ross and bringing in a defender, albeit a very good one just creates more imbalance for me.

But if we were to find a suitable improvement in an attacking midfield position too, then it's a yes for me.

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17 Dec 2016 14:10:08
Cropper16, I agree about Bolasie. I was really suggesting we look at the long term prospects of a full recovery with him. My point was that we need to keep Barkley. but we also need to get a cebter half. So ways of funding that would be to "get rid" of dead wood in the squad that is unlikely to ever be needed again. Hence Niasse, McGeady, Gibson, Cleverly and Mori (assuming we are signing the center half that this discussionis based on) . I include Cleverly in that list because the more I watch him. the less use I think he is to us. Besic may well make a full recovery. I am not so sure about Bolasie. The squad is getting thinner and thinner.

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17 Dec 2016 14:56:27
Toffee ace: I agree about the need for "balance" in the squad, but my question was about which fans would "sacrifice" Barkley if it meant securing a top-class player like van Dijk.
You may recall years ago when NUFC let Andy Cole join ManUtd; the barcode fans were in despair, but manger Keegan told them it was a necessary step in their club's development - and the following year they brought in Alan Shearer. Not quite a comparable scenario to Barkley and van Dijk, but - especially in these days of financial fair play - club's will have to wheel and deal with their spending on fees/ wages and on meeting the squad size limits.

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17 Dec 2016 21:24:47
I suppose we could let Barkley go and sign Messi next year as a replacement based on that theory Cowpat. lol.

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18 Dec 2016 00:17:54
Degsypulford: if you're not ambitious enough to EVENTUALLY be signing players of the calibre of Messi (which I grant you ain't going to happen for years and years - if ever) , then what's the point of existing as a professional football club? We can but dream in vain! ;-)

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18 Dec 2016 19:12:21
Barkley is getting better under Koeman and after the Arsenal game has improved more than most players.

Kev, Ged, Lennon and most others don't look like they've improved. It's been the addition of players that's improved the team.

For me Koeman is making Barkley hungry again. He also started looking like a leader against Arsenal. He stood up to Lukaku when he started moaning and was waving and screaming to push up and press higher. The next 6 months are important but he now appears to be listening to the manager.

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17 Dec 2016 05:23:38
{Ed's Note - We have posted a new article entitled, Premier League Match Previews

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