Everton Banter Archive May 17 2016

 

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17 May 2016 23:32:33
. Jasper Cillessan. Ajax goalkeeper on his way to Everton this summer to replace Tim Howard!

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17 May 2016 23:00:56
Just a quick one on mourinho. I know well over half of us Everton fans would like to see him as our gaffer. me, not so much. He is a spender, which we need in certain terms, but we have a great youth system. davies, pennington, kenny and dowell on last game of the season . Throw in Ledson, henen, rodriguez, walsh, foulds, galloway, browning, brewster, williams, and others. would any of them nudge anyway near the first team under mourinho, i wouldn't think so. Koeman is tempting but I've a gut feeling that De Boer is our best bet. money to spend but will bring youth in if deemed good enough. end if day, if we get a exciting manager who will take us where we belong then I'm one happy evertonian. itsthe waiting that's killing me lol.

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17 May 2016 22:44:12
Hi Eds,

I tried the search engine but couldn't find an answer for this. Where is Lukakus next destination most likely to be?

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{Ed002's Note - I cannot sensibly answer "most likely" questions but I can tell you where I know of interest - which I have done.}

17 May 2016 22:51:44
Any particular words i can enter in the search engine to find out? I don't usually frequent this page so I'm not up to date with your responses.

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{Ed002's Note - Lukaku would be a good start.}

17 May 2016 23:19:21
Meant something to narrow it down. Found the stuff anyway from using control f although lukaku was mentioned 559 times. Cheers anyway Ed.

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{Ed002's Note - Once you have the list search on Ed002.}

18 May 2016 09:06:16
Jeez, Taurus, talk about a Bull in a China shop.

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17 May 2016 22:15:29
Just read all of the regurgitated transfer speculation. stones, lukaku and of course clear out rumours of older players etc. although lukakus supply of goals will certainly resonate with the board and any prospective manager. I am not overley concerned about his departure just yet. Lukaku and stones have been talking of moves for nearly 9 months now, so I am sure it will be of no surprise to the board, outgoing manager, and recruitment team, and that they will have a long list of possible replacements lined up. Additionally, I think that with Galloway, browning. etc and younger kids making good progress the current squads deficiencies will be well noted and lots of work will have taken place and continue to take place to try and remedy outgoings with existing squad and under 21s, and new players. If this season has reaffirmed anything for me it's the appointment of a savvy manager. Klopp, Ranieri and pocchetinno. all good examples of what good management can do. that should be the main concern right now. if that gos according to plan, then everything else will follow.

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18 May 2016 08:47:27
I have pointed this out many many times and will repeat it again. I predicted the need for this clear out 2/ 3 seasons ago and pointed out that besides Barkley and Lukaku, Martinez had a policy of signing either grafters in the form Barry, McCarthy, Besic, Kone and Cleverly. or alternatively very creative yet inconsistent players in the likes of Deulofeu, McGeady and possibly Niasse. The one thing all these players have in common is a very poor goals return throughout their careers. They have never consistently scored goals and will probably never do so. I point this out because it is quite clear to me and I have watched in frustration players like Mirallas who have always scored goals and Naismith be overlooked. If/ when Lukaku goes, that leeaves us with one goalscorer in the name of Barkley. The 11 games winless streak we had last season and the recent run of few points relate exactly to Barkley and Lukaku not being in form. Yes leaking goals at the back is a problem too, but look at how many games we should have won yet dropped points. I fear for us without Lukaku unless we sign 3 or 4 creative goalscorers.

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18 May 2016 09:53:08
Goalscorers are coming DegsyP, Mr Moshiri is here now so all sit back and enjoy the journey.

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18 May 2016 10:04:13
I hope you are right Murf. What scares me is the ridiculous fees being banded around. I hear West Ham were turned down with a bid of 31million for Lacazette. Niasse 13million. Naismith 8 million. What would a young Rooney cost these days? 100 million buys us a couple. maybe 3 decent players at the top of their game. This is where I believe Moyes was strongest. 60 grand for Coleman. 1.5 million for Stones. Even 15 million for Fellaini. don't want to start that debate again though. But 100 million is not actually a lot of players these days and our squad is painfully thin of "natural" goalscorers now. Hopefully a new manager will reintroduce traditional football where the objective is to put the ball in that net thing at the other end rather than juggle it about all over the pitch frustrating everyone who is watching just to show that you had 66% possesion.

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17 May 2016 21:53:46
What's everyone's thoughts as to the capacity of our 'NEW' ground. I'd say 50-55,000.

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18 May 2016 08:02:19
West Ham have sold 51,000 season tickets with 30,000 on a waiting list, new ground means more people want to come the match, no less than 60,000, build it and they will come.

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18 May 2016 09:29:27
Agree. There is a clear uplift when any new stadium is built. Swansea moved from the Vetch Field to the Liberty and went from 6000 to 13000 over night. And that was in league one.

I'd like to see 65000. Imagine that lot on a rainy night under the lights!

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17 May 2016 21:46:41
David Moyes.

The return of The Prodigal Son.

I jest of course :-)

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17 May 2016 21:52:02
not friggin funny Dags :)

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17 May 2016 22:03:48
The joke would be on Everton I suppose.

Congrats on 2nd D. G.

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17 May 2016 22:46:28
How easy is it to fall out with a arsenal fan lol. low blow dags haha.

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17 May 2016 22:53:06
Haha, sorry boy's :-)

Thank you new Blue.

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17 May 2016 21:40:36
ed 02 how much are everton looking for if they sell lukaku as it looks inventable that he will will go.

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{Ed002's Note - The will look at as much as they can get.}

17 May 2016 21:46:05
okay his dad said before euroes Better to do afterwards then isn't it as if he has good one price will go up.

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18 May 2016 05:52:13
Or he could have a bad one or get injured, £65 million I would snatch anyones hands off for that amount, Yakubu scored goals in a poor team, 25 goals fair play, but apart from the Chelsea cup game, Lukuku hasn't played for Everton, if his mind is set elsewhere sell, see how he does bench warming for a top side.

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18 May 2016 08:45:08
to be fair if it is 65 mil id take it id also say to him you have to hand in transfer request if you want to go.

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18 May 2016 10:06:35
I believe Lukaku lost faith in the manager just like the rest of us. He had frustration written all over his face for the last 10 games.

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18 May 2016 10:32:33
His dad pipes up every time a major football competition arises so wouldn't look into it too much, we have cash and hopefully a decent manager coming in soon so the futures bright and might not want to leave.

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17 May 2016 21:19:44
Trust me everton need to sign lyon striker lacazette he is a top striker west ham just had 31 mill bid rejected this is a man everton need to replace lukaku i would say 50m is a good price for him.

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{Ed002's Note - Everton has no interest in him.}

17 May 2016 22:46:58
Why is it as soon as a club bids for a player the old we should buy him shouts come out.

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17 May 2016 22:50:32
Vincent looks a good striker from Az Alkmaar. I think we have been looking at him. i'm hoping if lukaku does go, then we aren't looking for a one out one in policy. a couple of good strikers is what we need. competition for places is a good thing. tbf lukaku knew he was the main man. Kone wasn't going to push him to one side.

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17 May 2016 21:06:41
Just wondering have any of are want away players like lukaku and stones said they still want to leave the club since RM has gone or do they now want to stay because they know who the next manager is going to be because they have all gone quiet not one have said they want to leave or have I missed it.

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{Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with the manager.}

17 May 2016 21:13:58
May be it's nothing to do with the manager or may be it is but just wondering if any of them have said anything or changed there mind because they know who the next manager in charge will be I was only wondering if was not implying anything.

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{Ed002's Note - They don't know who the next manager is.}

17 May 2016 16:52:05
I've put on here a few times over the location on the docks for the new stadium. It looks like this is going to be one of the locations mentioned and I hope it is the one selected.

It seems to be a prime location for both retail and restaurants as well as being on the iconic River Mersey.

I'm not sure about the other location and don't know the area well enough to say whether it is a good site but it would seem to me that it does not give the same benefits of being in the city centre.

Anyway, it is only the beginning and there are plenty of hurdles to jump but I am more hopeful now than at any time over a new stadium.

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17 May 2016 17:19:51
Just read that the mayor has hinted our new stadium would be used to try and and get the 2026 commonwealth games to Liverpool.

I think city centre stadium on the mersey would be the best for access for these events due rail links and all the hotels nearby in the city centre. Also it would look the best.

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{Ed025's Note - that would work for me j..

17 May 2016 19:52:10
Ed. Is the other potential site Gilmoss area?

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{Ed025's Note - it is being looked at tedster...by the police.. :)

17 May 2016 20:30:15
They have already started some digging in croxteth don't know if it's for the new ground but work has already started there.

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{Ed025's Note - thats for the ice cream man day...they are flattening the bumps so the drugs dont spill on the road.. :)

17 May 2016 21:10:52
I have a feeling that the stadium will be part of a joint investment with LCC and that they will use that as a central part of the bid for the games - a bit like West Ham have done.

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17 May 2016 15:07:40
Regardless of who the next manager is I just hope that they make David Unsworth assistant manager. We need someone like him who loves the club and as on Sunday shows passion and commitment. What a difference compared with Jones.

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17 May 2016 15:54:20
dj on radio city 2 has just said "jose to everton could be on" he said he has heard that he is in talks with everton. he is still saying it now.

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17 May 2016 15:57:42
sack the dj.

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17 May 2016 16:15:16
I have had a feeling for a time that Jose will be our next manager and my feelings our very often right.
Personally I do not want him as he has never built a team and does not use the youth at the club.

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17 May 2016 16:42:37
Think unsworth should stay with the under 21s it looks like he has got a good thing going there him and sheedy look capable of neutering a whole new generation of academy players through to first team contention. . Think the new manager will be well pleased with the young talent expected to come through in the next couple of years . He will sign at least a three year deal so will want to know who has a chance of making it to his team while he's there. On the manager debate I would love Jose but is it realistic I think not koeman seems to decided against it so that leaves Pellagrini or De Boer for me it's the younger man he's a well recognised name in football won stuff as a player and manager is meant to be a bit of a hard nose any one who doesn't want to buy in to what he whants to do will be gone and is young enough to build something at Everton.

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17 May 2016 17:17:46
That's fine and dandy providing Unsworth is happy to stay with the U21's. I suspect that he would like to get more experience with the first team. The last thing we won't is for him to leave the club in order for him to get his wish.

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17 May 2016 19:32:52
Milomj, he arguably doesn't need to build a team, we have a solid foundation we just need a few additions in order to really push on, I believe if he could get the team in the right mindset we could make a push for top 4.

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17 May 2016 18:27:17
Royal Paul was it Rick houghton on who said that on the radio?

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17 May 2016 22:14:54
it was smeghead. he said it quite a few times he said "this is what i am hearing that everton are in talks with jose". then ten mins later utd put out their statement. i am thinking that if jose is talking to everton then utd have got wind of it and put their statement out to try and stall it for a bit till they find out if lvg wants to stay or not because i bleave they will not sack him.

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17 May 2016 15:03:07
No matter how rich you are, all resources are finite, so if you where going to put 100m+ into team building, would you give it to someone with no premiership experance?

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17 May 2016 20:10:47
And what is 100 mill going to buy us in todays market. As also alluded to by Big Stan and other Managers with the TV money Clubs all over the World once they know a Premiership Club are coming calling are going to hyper inflate their prices.

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{Ed025's Note - very true..

17 May 2016 14:50:34
Rafa B is a good manager but that's it he is overrated and let's get one thing clear it was Steve Gerrard that won them the final against AC Milan not Rafa, it was his tactics that left them 3-0 down at half time.
I do not want him plus were a small club apparently. I do firmly believe that Moshri has started to assert his authority now with news about stadium starting to gather pace and Martinez gone, I don't think that would of happened without his investment. Has to be mourinho i know people think he won't come but all the guy has actually said is he has no offer from Manchester United and he would like to stay in prem.
So either we have the cash to get him which if we do its a no brainer the worst that will happen is he says no.
Sorry but does " nothing but the best" not mean anything so let's go get the best manager available.

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17 May 2016 15:06:05
As for Mourinho, I seem to recall both Sir Alex Ferguson and Sir Bobby Charlton not wanting him at Man U, so I don't think it's as near a certainty as what people think.

I haven't given up on him just yet. Until anything is confirmed I'll keep my fingers crossed.

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{Ed001's Note - Fergie wanted him, Charlton didn't.}

17 May 2016 15:20:10
I stand corrected Ed001.
I do remember Fergie asking for LVG to be given more time by the fans, in March I think, and they took it that Fergie didn't want Mourinho.

Ed, how will Man U do this, will they have a board of directors vote to decide if LVG goes, and who they want as their next manager, not sure how it works.
Or is it up to Woodward to simply hire and fire.

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{Ed001's Note - Woodward is in charge of day to day running so he can fire him or they can go over his head.}

17 May 2016 19:47:46
fergie might of wanted mourinho but he also wanted moyes so what does he know.

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{Ed025's Note - absolutely nothing...as edwin starr would say (only for the old ones)

17 May 2016 19:59:18
Do you know where Quique Flores is going?

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{Ed025's Note - not yet mate..

17 May 2016 14:28:45
To the best of my understanding, Lukaku and Stones, have 3 years remaining on their freely entered into contracts. Nither has a buy out clause, so, unless it suits the club, they cannot walk away.
I am aware that keeping player who want away can be a problem (Lescott) but with both him and fellain, the club extracted a premiam price, so stones and lukaku (and his big mouthed agent) should be told 50m, or your going nowhere.

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17 May 2016 20:10:47
If we (everton) where in a strong position we could bat away most to all offers for our players

but not finishing in the euro places and without a manager players will quickly look elsewhere. no Jags and baines in resent England team says it all to our players

and the board really need to take their time to find the right man to lead us forward and work with our current talent which Mourinho really would not. I also don't see many of them giving moyes the same respect he had here.

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17 May 2016 11:47:03
Following on from my post below and the departure of Roberto, I do not know who the board will appoint. Nor do I know how much of the decision will be left to Blue Bill. All I do know is that when he appointed Moyes, that was exactly what Everton FC needed at the time. When he appointed Martinez, I was sceptical. My sceptism was well founded! I hope he/ they/ we make a more enlightened decision this time round.

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17 May 2016 09:58:59
So Jags said 10 people could possibly leave us in the summer, these are;

Defiantly;

Osman
Gibson
Howard
Lukaku
Hibbert
Mattoni
Pienarr

Now for maybes;

Stones
Barkley
Kone

They are my guesses, anyone else I've left of the list?

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17 May 2016 10:17:16
mcgeady also, stones rom and ross ain't going anywhere.

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17 May 2016 10:47:24
Rom is going to leave, we can't stop him. I think stones will stay with Ross.

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17 May 2016 11:11:36
Add Oviedo and Leandro Rodriguez to that potential list?

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17 May 2016 12:34:53
I wouldn't be at all surprised if they moved Niasse on pretty quickly. There's more to that one than meets the eye and I personally think he's got issues outside of football.

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17 May 2016 12:40:26
Cleverley, I can't see what he brings and I know some Blues love the guy.

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17 May 2016 09:29:05
Vitor pereira a done deal again svenny?

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17 May 2016 09:41:12
ha ha, don't kick him off again Sir.

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17 May 2016 11:30:19
Haha and he said that Martinez was definitely staying after that carragher interview.

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17 May 2016 10:35:29
No we have not approached him yet. Why was that such a big thing? He had a meeting with Kenwright before anyone else including Martinez was approached that is a fact. I was informed that the meeting was a positive one. That was all.

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17 May 2016 15:43:12
How else could you view his comments in that interview? He spoke mainly about the future. What's sad is either the board blindsided him completely or he genuinely needs some help if he gave that interview thinking anything other than he was staying.
The communication and pr department need their heads checked for allowing that interview to be released if there was any indication he was going to be fired.
I never said I had a source re Martinez staying just gave my opinion based on what he was saying.
My ties to the club have been well and truly severed I have zero inside information anymore.

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17 May 2016 16:54:05
You had zero information even when you had so called ties haha.

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17 May 2016 08:33:48
Jags has said as many as 10 players could be leaving goodison in the summer it's going to to be intresting to see the teamsheet for next season.

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17 May 2016 08:51:27
Paul

Reading between the lines He maybe giving away his preference for RK, ''may need to have experience of rebuilding after a squad exodus ''

Koeman did that with Saints I believe.

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17 May 2016 09:21:03
I don't think he's far wrong we have a number of aging players and a number not good enough, but we have a crop of promising youngsters coming through that will help!

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17 May 2016 09:42:24
after seeing the youngsters on Sunday things look very good indeed, throw a few quid in and get rid of dead wood/ great servants and roll on next season.

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17 May 2016 11:23:04
I personally don't think we need that many players replacing. The current crop of youngsters are good enough to deputise in my opinion, and need some game time to develop. If we manage to keep Stones and Lukaku, then this would be our squad:

GK: Joel, new gk (I don't care if it's a replacement or an understudy as Joel has proven himself at least adequate)

RB: Coleman, Pennington, Kenny, Browning (if needed) Think the young lads have shown enough that we don't need to buy a backup.

CB: Jagielka, Funes Mori, Stones, Galloway, Browning, Pennington (if needed) Plenty of cover.

LB- Baines, Oviedo, Garbutt, Galloway (if needed) Plenty of cover again.

CM- Barry, Barkley, McCarthy, Besic, Cleverly, Dowell, Davies. I think there are enough players but I would like to see a box to box midfielder with a good eye for a pass.

RW- Mirallas, Lennon, Deulofeu, Coleman (if needed) . Plenty of cover and different options.

LW- New left winger (Mirallas, Lennon, Deulofeu and Oviedo can cover if needed) I think we are in desperate need of a quality left footed left winger.

ST- Lukaku, new striker or two, Niasse? With Niasse possibly a dud, it is important that we find a new quality striker or two (if the new manager wants two up front) could be a backup for Lukaku or another striker with quality. We could even get one striker and a new left winger that can play up front.

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17 May 2016 12:30:40
Definitely need a new RB. New GK is essential, I like Joel, but a first-choice Goal-Keeper should be high on transfer targets. Mirallas is a LW, but could do with a new one for competition.

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17 May 2016 12:41:56
Cant argue with any of that Tom, great post mate.

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17 May 2016 11:57:33
Yeah I kind of agree with all that Tommy. I guess it's down to the new manager to see what he wants after he's assessed everyone already here. I personally don't think we will sign many in the summer. Out of contract players will be replaced from within. Think we will only buy replacements for lukaka stones Barkley if they leave.
I would like to see a creative midfielder and an out and out left winger added to the squad tho.

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17 May 2016 16:25:29
Marko Arnautović to fill the LW. Play 4-3-3 with 3 proper midfielders. After watching the Norwich game it showed what happens when you press, the opposition make mistakes. With Ross playing the no10 role I feel we are playing with a man down defensively. I am not coming on here to slag him off but the new manager had either got to get him playing in midfield and be fitter. I do believe its instructions from Roberto to tell him to reserve his energy and not needed to chase back. I would rather see Ross have a solid 60 mins game in midfield and build his stamina up similar to Lukaku.

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17 May 2016 06:29:48
What makes me laugh on this site is our supporters don't want Benitez even though he has 4 European trophies.3 more than our whole club but because he managed the dark side we don't want to know. But want de Boer because he won titles in Holland jesus Christ Martinez would win those there. Get that de bore and it will all end in tears again. Stay clear.

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17 May 2016 08:13:57
I want Koeman ahead of De Boer but can tell you this Al, I don't want Rafa, I could probably in my heart forgive Moyes for the sneaky way he done things but Rafa not only managed them, he also took the piss out of us, he won't be coming here mate, no way will Bill/ Moshiri sanction that as they know how most of the fans feel, poll results below, the "none of the above" will be Rafa, minority mate, deep breath Al, let it go now mate, he ain't coming

Mourinho (41%, 55 votes)
Koeman (13%, 17 votes)
Moyes (3%, 4 votes)
Frank de Boer (36%, 48 votes)
Pellegrini (6%, 8 votes)
None of the above (1%, 2 votes)

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17 May 2016 08:17:45
''Everton are a massive club with a lot of history, and it is hard to see the Toffees make an approach for Benitez. ''

'Richard Keys'

I liked that, Oh yeah!

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17 May 2016 09:15:01
Why does everyone think De Boer will be a bad choice because he has won 4 Dutch titles in 6 years. It's the man managing the team, not the league. Apart from a short spell at Valencia, koeman was Ajax manager and everyone wants him. If De Boer is appointed, he will get my full support.

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17 May 2016 09:43:13
Did pretty poorly at Valencia too, Dentie. Mourinho for me, not that he'd definitely come if asked, then De Boer. Whole thing about him managing in an average league baffles me; what do people expect, for his first job to be Barcelona?

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17 May 2016 09:45:32
Id have either Dentie but prefer Koeman for what he has done at the Saints, we were all raving about DeBoer not long ago then some crap comes in the press about Mourinho and Benitez and all of a sudden some fans think DeBoer isn't good enough anymore, its a funny old game, any one of Koeman or DeBoer and i'm over the friggin moon.

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17 May 2016 09:46:19
I have a feeling our manager will either be De Boer or Pellegrini.

Mourinho seems unlikely (he's the managerial equivalent of Yarmelenko for us at the moment) .

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17 May 2016 11:17:22
Couldn't agree more Murf1000. Every word of your above post I agree with totally.

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17 May 2016 11:38:19
C Toffee. Excellent point that and made me chuckle too. It's going to be difficult to know if De Boer will be what we need in the long run because of the league he's had success in. But to be fair the Prem is completely different from most other leagues especially after this campaign.

RK is a safe bet because of the job he's done with the saints but I think he will stay there so it's De Boer for me as the most likely candidate. And I think he will do well.

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17 May 2016 14:15:19
I think Mancini could be a dark horse. We will not get Mourinho and I doubt Pellegrini but Foeman or De Boer would be good. I definitely do not want Moyes or Hughes and would have Rafa instead of them.

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17 May 2016 05:53:43
There does appear to be a lot of new injected positive feeling since the sacking. I have to say I was also dissapointed with some of the things said about RM. He may have had a disappointed time at Goodison but yes he was obviously a very decent man doing his best with all good intentions. However, I did receive lots of criticism for my negativity and that continues. I said all along that players he was signing were not good enough. I disagree with the majority of posters on here who say we have a strong squad. I feel the first team players signed by RM were in the main poor quality or at best strong in certain areas yet poor in others. In todays modern game, any successful team needs great all round players willing to work their socks off. If people would like me to clarify more on this I certainly will, but for now will leave it at that. The one thing that has made me cheer up a little was the performance of the youngsters coming through. I have to say that RM was credited by a few within the club for encouraging these youngsters and bringing them through the ranks. let's hope that is a legacy we will benefit from and look back and say, "Well done Roberto. You certainly brought a backbone of promising young talent into the club when needed. ".

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17 May 2016 06:43:08
The backbone of young talent was already here, I go and watch most of the youth games and all the under 21's believe me they have always been there. Those such as Stones were signed under Moyes. Rodgers and Martinez theories work very well on the training grounds or down at youth level but need serious adaption once you get up into the racetrack of the Premiership, neither of these two could or would adapt that is why they are not suited to this particular league.

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{Ed025's Note - its such a fine line BCT and i believe luck has a part to play as well, things happen that can change a clubs fortune just like what happened at leicester, its the same with these kids one bad decision and that can spell the end for them, billy kenny being a prime example..

17 May 2016 06:54:43
If what BK said was true anyone can go to an interview and say I'll get you champions league and get the job.

We are short sighted if we don't get Benitez?!
He won Napoli its first cup in about 30yrs!

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17 May 2016 07:50:52
Is that the same 1st cup that they won 2 years Before while not under Benitez. He actually took Napoli from a title contender to a team that failed to qualify for the champions league and then left. Took inter Milan from a treble winning team to a team out side of champions league places. Was sacked after 6 months with Real Madrid and was just in charge of a relegated team. I don't think we are short sighted if we don't get personally.

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17 May 2016 00:00:52
Hey

. I don't pretend to know or predict what will happen in terms of our club. but it beggars belief how some don't grasp the significance of FM's decision to invest in our club and what he 'brings to the table'. this guy knows what he is doing. have patience. COYB.

Mart.

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17 May 2016 08:15:54
Well said Mart, things are going to change massively for (as Rafa said) our small club.

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