Everton Banter Archive August 18 2011

18 Aug 2011 23:01:13
How depressing a summer ...lets sell everyone and buy Crewe Is that what the millionaires club is becoming ? Respect to our players our manager our Eveton ...is there a God out there ????? {Ed025's Note - you said it mate..

18 Aug 2011 22:37:12
I want to make a couple of points.

1.Lord Granchester is on our board
he is one of the richest men in the uk.

2.Sir Terry Leah ex Chief Exec Tesco
was asked on the board over 12mths
ago, as an adviser.

3.Sir Phil Carter is still on the board.

4.We employed the guy who sold
Chelsea and a couple of other clubs.

5.We are sponsored by the biggest
beer sold in Asia, Chang.

6.We are apparently only 45 mil
overdrawn.

Questions 1-4, these guys are being
paid to be on our board and to sort
this mess out. The question im
beginning to think do the rest of the
board actually like BK. Do they want
him to fail.

Referring to questions 4 and 5. We
cant find investment, despite sending
clowns to Asia for jollys who do not
produce anything.

Question 6 we are only 45 mil
overdrawn peanuts.

Our shirt sponsors are minute
compared to other clubs. Has BK
sold the family jewels so he can hold
his investment to make more money.

There are more questions then
answers.

BK has ruined my summer and after
watching Spurs tonight thank F***
the game was canceled.

Only a matter of time for Moyes.

The Blue Don
COYB {Ed025's Note - respect mate....great post.....i hope all the BK arse lickers read this and realise he is right..

Respect to the Blue Don, I still believe this Club is holding something back from the board.

Even if Bil loves this club I for one think the bloke knows very little about business, I cannot for the life of me understand some of the comments that he maid to the lads who met him in london.

I understand he was under pressure but surely as a business man he would understand every detail on the clubs balance sheet.

And this excuse that the banks our not lending?

The point is they our just not lending to Him.

You bet you whole familys life if it was some one who understands business sitting in the bank like say, the Mittal family, Warren Buffett, Mr Trump

Bill you cannot use these excuses it you, not the Banks its you, the rules of most Banks is they only wanna lend you money when you dont need it, when you need it they no where to be seen simple and why you going round telling the world we our skint you making the wholw situation worse, you our a disgrase as a business man, nice bloke but a terrible business man, I bet you have mortgaged everything you own and you our selling the club for to much as you depending on your big pay day to retire cos theres no way you gonna make much money ever again haha

18 Aug 2011 21:12:01
If it's the banks "fault, that we are unable to function, the bank must be worried about the clubs finances, and, depending on who you talk to, we are into the bank for about 50 to 60 mill. when the s**te were 350 mill down, the bank insisted on putting people on the board to make the best deal they could,they made the owners commit to that deal in return for continuing support, in the short term untill a sale could be set up. IF our bank is so concerned, why don't they do the same to protect themselves from exposure.

18 Aug 2011 19:25:23
look its plain and simple read the article from the blue unions meeting with Bill Kenwright,

peoplesgroup.wordpress.com/2011/08/17/the-blue-unions-meeting-with-bill-kenwright/

We have no money so therefore will not be signing anyone.

Best we can hope for is a couple of loans that more than likley will not improve the first team but will be just for cover

18 Aug 2011 17:49:05
while Moyes might want to try and cash in on a player who he signed for free, Jermaine Beckford is thought to be happy at Goodison and has no intention of leaving to drop down to the Championship. I think we should keep him as he is capable of getting 15 goals next season

Definetly think he is up for sale. Moyes isnt the biggest fan of Beckford and the two had a disagreement at the Wolves game, and the fact that Moyes has not come out and said he is going nowhere is an indication that he is listening to offers for him and if the right price came along then he would sell. Personally dont want to see him go because I think he could have a big season this season for us

Beckford became a fans favourite as the season went on and i believe he is going to get better and better. I back moyes to keep him and bring the best out of him next season {Ed025's Note - me too..

We need to sign a striker rather than let one of our better ones go. I am hoping we can offload yak, yobo and anichebe before the transfer window closes and maybe bring in a couple of new strikers on loan {Ed025's Note - just unloading them three..would be like a new signing..

I think if the beckford bid went over 5 million then moyes would seriously think about it {Ed025's Note - i hope not..

Moyes isn't stupid enough to sell our only FIT and capable striker

GP

As I have said before on this site Beckford is growing in confidence and has goals in him. Moyes needs to offload someone but if Beckford was sold, then it would be a naive move, from a man who I have always trusted implicitely. Surely if a forward goes then it has to be the Yak...although he has not done much for us, his name alone will generate a few mil and even a few mil would be gladly accepted. (Wavertree Blue)

I'd prefer to keep Beckford over the likes of Anichebe. At least he's proved he can hit the back of the net on the odd occasion. When did Anichebe actually score a goal? BK should offer him to the championship for 2m + a couple of theatre tickets then use the money for a loan striker.

18 Aug 2011 17:27:07
I think playing Baines as a wing back would take a lot from his game. He works best with someone in front of him cutting inside and teeing the ball up for him on the overlap.We need a striker and a winger, then we need to learn how to play a flat four in midfield with two upfront. {Ed025's Note - baines can play anywhere!..

Evertonians have been saying all summer that we need a striker and a winger, vicente and bellamy would do me and give us the boost we need {Ed025's Note - that would work for me...now try telling uncle scrooge..

Vicente would be a free and bellamy would be a loan and if we can offload yak and yobo it should free up the wages for them both as well {Ed025's Note - then lets go for it!..

18 Aug 2011 16:22:00
Most of us reckon that Moyes should change our now stale formation, but what do you guys think. Personally i'd like to try something new that adapts most of our stars.

--------------------Saha------------------------
--------------------------------------------------
-----------------Bilyaletdinov-------------------
-----------Arteta----------Barkley--------------
-------------------Fellaini------------------------
Baines------------------------ Coleman--------
----------------------------------------------------
---------Distin----Jagielka---Rodwell------------
----------------------------------------------------
--------------------Howard------------------------


Thoughts?

Fantastic idea in theory, but Wing Backs are a great asset to a team if they can do their job properly. Baines could honeslty play anywhere on the left and still make an impact, Coleman on the other hand ...
I can see him bombing down the right make good runs, but then being left behind on the break and making either a silly challenge, or effectively leaving Rodwell playing as a right back due to covering for Coleman being stranded upfield. Hopefully I'll be proven wrong this year, but I don't think Coleman's quite there with his defensive duties yet. Then again, even the mighty Tony Hibbert is in no way capable of running up and down the right flank all day.I must admit, I had to get a towel to mop up my drool from the thought of Arteta, Fellaini AND Barkley in midfield together, along with Bily smashing 'em in from 30 yards.

This also accomdates rodwell in his so called favoured position, and it plays arteta, barkley, felli and bily in their preferred roles {Ed025's Note - its worth a shot!..

Id go with hietnga instead of rodwell and maybe not billy but iv bee thinking of this formation for a while colman and baines are ideal for it

No osman? Cahill? Neville?

I think with the 451 teams have works us out, other than baines, last season we didnt have many other creative options, and yes billy and vic are awful, i want to see mikel back out wide and hopefully see a bit gayue

No Cahill? No Chance
I think the problem with wing backs is you are asking either a winger to be a defender or asking a defender to be a winger. Plus teams will suss you out and put two players on the wing backs, which means that players in our formation get pulled out of position trying to help out the wing backs..
I would go for two formations; 442 at Home and 451 away

No Johnny, No Cahill, No Osman , no Neville= crazy - we would get thumped by every team in the top 3 divisions. coleman is out for a bit so Neville would play RB/WB which makes this a non starter. Surely a back four with 1-2 DM players is a much stronger option for the defence. The CM has plenty to choose from in Arteta, Barkley, Osman, Rodwell, Felli, - as discussed all summer its the wider Midfield players and up front that we are lacking. Saha or Beckford dont ever seem up to the lone striker role and neither needs/wants a partner like the other or Cahill it seems. Wide midfielders.... we are limited to playing slower 'ball' players there like Arteta, Billy or Osman, or even worse just plugging the gap with someone like Anichebe

Would of liked to of seen it deployed in Pre-season, but never going to happen now, especially when the season starts.
I fully expect to see:
Howard
Hibbert Jags Distin Baines
Fellaini
Arteta Neville Osman
Cahill
Saha

Heitinga ahead of Rodwell is a must.
Its a great idea in theory that formation but it just doesnt work in real life. How many teams have had success with a 3 man centre back combo?

I dont have as much of a downer on 4-5-1 as many people seem to do. I think with the right players and balance it can be a very attacking formation. We had it right when we had Pienaar in there and I think Osman is a must for making a 4-5-1 work for us as his close control and short passing is spot on. I think it becomes much less effective when we have the likes of Anichebe or Bilyaletadinov (on the flank) in there.

You appear to have left Neville, Cahill and Osman out, something Moyes would not do.That and there is a reason why NO top flight football side currently plays 3-5-2. It doesn't provide sufficient flexibility or cover.
Even at village level where I've plied my trade a side playing 4-4-2 with good full backs will destroy a side playing with wing backs as the wing backs can simply get over run.It's great a filling inadequacies such as immobile midfielders (play three of them) or centre halves with poor aerial ability/positional sense (play three of them), but a decent, well drilled side will rip them to pieces.

Just play 4-4-2 at home {Ed025's Note - good shout..

To the guy who said this;

"Coleman on the other hand ...
I can see him bombing down the right make good runs, but then being left behind on the break and making either a silly challenge"

Against Chelsea he had Ashley Cole in his back pocket all game.

The formation looks good but I'd go with a 2DM's (Neville has been immense dm when hes allowed to play there + Rodwell could learn a thing or two from him) instead of 3CB's

Billy before Cahill?

Becks could do great in this line up, loads to run onto

Should be
Howerd
Hibbet hitinger jagielka distan bainse
Fellani arteta
Billy
Saha bekford
A 5212 formation solid defence solid mid and solid strikers (I have put Billy behind the forward because that is his favoured position and he plays there for Russia he plays there because he is quite tall good at dribbling and amazing at long range shots) {Ed025's Note - hibbert...hmmmmm.....and no sign of the skipper..hmmmmm....not for me mate..

18 Aug 2011 16:17:15
I have seen onohua a fair few times and to me he is a right back who can play centre half. Always looks to me as though he is short too though not sure of his actual height. I do think selling Jags and replacing him with Nedum would be a mistake, replacing an England centre half with a player not deemed good enough for even a back up job at City does not fill me with confidence. {Ed024's Note - Put Rodders in CB or Johnny H

I think ed might be onto to something there. I can see rodders ending up as a centre back on day, he will be equally competent in defence and midfield

18 Aug 2011 15:55:16
Just read the notes from the kenwright meeting And im wondering why when kenwright mentioned that john henry is open to discussions about a ground share the guys didnt push for more infomation Surely thats a huge piece of news {Ed024's Note - wondered myself but must take into consideration what has been edited out for later release if anything comes of it

18 Aug 2011 14:38:33
Where is the money that Everton recieve from sky does it go to the bank as part of the debt or does it go into the boards pockets. If Everton cannot get money from the banks then Everton should be sold and not for the high price BK wants. {Ed024's Note - It goes to pay running costs just as season tickets do

18 Aug 2011 14:25:31
Heard a rumour that we have held back from laoning anyone until the final day of the transfer window so we dont have to pay any wages, let their parent club pay them and train them in pre season and hold off till last minute, worry how skint we are. Hope we get bought soon, Think Kenwright is a top guy who saved us but he is only a millionare to survive and win stuff in the prem you need billionare owners.

18 Aug 2011 13:29:30
We cannot run the risk of running the club into administration for the sake of one or two summer signings. Remember signing Landon Donovan is not only the initial £5/8 million its the £50,000 a week as well. The aim should be

1. Retain GOOD players (not Yak/Yobo)
2. Offload the LESS GOOD players (not Jags/Fell)
3. Make European football again
4. Decent cup run
5. Hope that the recession eases and that after completing the above 4 criteria we attract a wealthy investor.
We don't need megabucks, we just need someone who will get moyes the players he wants (not £20-24m signings), but players like Holtby, Donovan.

That i believe is the goal.
COYB

18 Aug 2011 12:47:11
BK did Everton proud when he took over and has always come across empassionate about the club. However in the 9yrs that Moyes has been in charge we have progressed due to Moyes and not BK. There has been no investment in the team for 2yrs. We have not progressed with a new ground or other comercial avenues which generate extra funding. In a nut shell we have stood still. Board members have not invested a chief Exec who is not fit for purpose. What it shows is that clubs will take us to minutes before the deadline to buy our players at a low rate. BK should have been honest 6 weeks ago about our finances rather than 2 weeks before the deadline. I dont understand why Moyes didnt go to Villa. We wont sign anyone. BK sell the club and walkaway nobody will buy if you still want to be in charge. Total lack of buisness acumen by BK Elstone and the board.
The Blue Don

18 Aug 2011 12:53:19
Just saw interview with kenwright on sky sports news, According to sky sports in transfer's in and out we made 10 million in 2007/2008 and spent 25 million...... in 2008/2009 we made 10.5 million and spent 15 million...... in 2009/2010 we made 23 million and spent 19.9 million...... in 2010/2011 we made 4 million and spent 1.5 million and 2011/2012 we have made 2 million and spent nothing so far,according to these sums it puts at a loss of 11.9 million...... but when you add up what you make for finishing 6th, 5th, 5th, 8thy and 7th in the m years its a lot and that's not including other money making that we get
Im sorry but something is getting hidden by the board at everton, surely we have something or at least some of the billionaires on our bored can put there hand in there pocket or just get out of our club instead of sitting in board room meetings collecting there wage each month

18 Aug 2011 12:05:07
we should sell yobo, yak and bily and get about 15million from the sales, then buy jarvis for 6/7million and donovan or defoe for 5/6 million then we would have 3/4million left for kenright to give to the banks to keep them happy

18 Aug 2011 11:44:28
Having read the article on efc.com with BK explaining the financial situation with banks not willing to lend anymore money to Everton. I am a little worried that even if we sell any players Moyes wont see any of the money as it will go straight to the bank to pay off existing loans. I don't think it sounds to good. Probably be looking to lower the wage bill and maybe if we are lucky one loan signing.

18 Aug 2011 11:23:13
Just got up off nights, not seen bill's interview just read the posts on here. A bit disturbed by suggestions of boycotts, what good will that do it will just reduce what little money we have. Surely now more than ever it is time to get behind the club and the especially Moyesie and the players who have committed themselves to the club knowing the financial constraints and not gone the way of others looking for the big bucks. We have what we have so lets not pick on players saying they're not good enough, they've nailed their colours to the mast it's time for us to do the same. Get behind the club and then any potential buyers/investors will see that we are a team, a club worth their investment. We have all critisised City but don't forget when they went down they were still getting 30,000 crowds . I know I'm preaching to many who are of the same opinion as myself, but to all the Boo Boys who gety on peoples backs as soon as things don't go to their liking, grow up and get behind the team and the club . Lets be that new signing for the club , we are that new striker, that new winger, lets roar them to greater heights than we thought possible. Fortress Goodison starts and ends with us. Come On You Blues.

He has not came out and said how much he values the club at or hired anyone to sell the club and do you seriously trust him not to sell any of our top players the only reason they haven't already gone is clubs aren't meeting our valuation

18 Aug 2011 10:53:25
---fox---

After listening to Kenwrights interview, can't see anyone coming in, wer strugling to offload Yak and Yobo its making me depressed

18 Aug 2011 10:47:48
When you see Arsenal selling a numbr of top players who will not sign new contracts ,do we not have to give great credit to DM and dare I say it BKthat none of our players have left us this season,yet,for pastures new.We certainly today with the players available have as much chance of winning something this year as them.
It s clear to me that our players believe we are going forward,not at the rate we would like,bunlike the Arsenal players who appear quick to move on.
Not a great fan of Arry but his interview in SSN the other day he said something akin to if Rochdale got Billionaire,they would win the premiership in 6 years.Numerous reasons are uttered for the domination of the league by one or two clubs,money being the main one.
The share of gate money stopped by the Big Four,the 25 man squad means you can buy up all the players you want almost ,thus depriving other clubs,like ours from buying them.Stick them on your bench or in other cases in the stand and selfishly deprive other clubs of players.
Sorry if there are any spelling or grammar mistakes ,unable to proof read it before sending.
COYB {Ed024's Note - You make a decent point but the reason we can't buy anyone is the following-BK quote

He added: “The world is in a recession and I don’t know any business that is not suffering at the moment and I include football in that apart from the financial elite in football.

“We have come to a stage with our bank, with our finance where we just cannot borrow any more. You (Sky) have been at the AGMs, the EGMs, the Shareholders’ meetings where I have said year after year, that what we do is we beg, we borrow, we don’t steal. But we beg and we borrow from the bank.

“That’s what we have been doing and the banks are tightening in now and we just cannot borrow any more money a) to protect the football club and b) to protect the fans.”
We are skint but would you rather be Portsmouth?

Thats my point we should be "pleased " that we are being run financially as we are and not as a Pompey were/are. {Ed024's Note - to all Evertonians please read the following interview/meeting with BK and the peoples group then come back and tell me how you feel as an Evertonian? GUTTED

http://peoplesgroup.wordpress.com/2011/08/17/the-blue-unions-meeting-with-bill-kenwright/

Good post - it's like brian robson admitted recently and got told to shut about in case too many people wised up - "football is just a business now" it's all been stitched up for about a decade or so. The likes of Manu and Arsenal and Liverpool got together with UEFA and designed the rules so that they'd be permanently at the top with extra cash and then its a self fulfulling prophesy.

Even when Man City's billionair turned up and threw a spanner in their 'big4' works, they wriggled around in the background to move the goalposts again, so that expenditure now had to be restricted to a % of turnover - just so it couldn't happen again.
Now it's a permanent bet that Manu Chelski man City and Arsenal/Liverpool will be in those top 4 spots forever.

Our problem is that we all still think it's the 1970s where someone like Cloughie could come along and turn a 'smaller' club into worldbeaters - and were every team had at least one or two stars like duncan McKenzie to keep their fans happy. Now all the top stars play for the very top european clubs.

I'm not sure what the answer is but I think something has to be done or the none 'big 4' team fans are going to get hacked off eventually (and that would never do - they want to the cash cow alive).

To my mind the top4 clubs should play in european super league with 2 up 2 down each year - and I'd also like to see the League cup be for only those not playing in the Champions league.
The level of interest in that cup would rocket if every side in the top 2 divisions actually thought they had a decent chance of winning it, without the 'big4' snaffling it as a consolation prize every (most) year.
I'm not sure why they 'the League Cup organisers', dont do this - their cup would then be the one most proper fans got interest in.

18 Aug 2011 10:25:57
Blue Bill is blaming the banks for not lending him and money to buy new players thats why we haven't signed anyone, do us a favor and tell us somethnig we dont no

18 Aug 2011 10:06:32
If Barkley makes an impact, and I think he will, then maybe we can keep Arteta in the middle and not have to worry about lacking ideas in wide positions.

18 Aug 2011 09:55:08
I like Billy (mainly for the anvil in his left boot) but he's always felt like a little bit of a panic buy to me. Still keep hoping he's gonna have a cracking season, and he just hasn't done it yet. Shame really, cause if we had a squad budget that could allow for luxury players like him I think he could be an ace weapon to bring off the bench and watch the keeper brick himself. Ah well, maybe this'll be his year...?

Heres hoping mate i cant see it though tbh.

He really needs to work on his upper body strength - he tackling - and his determination - he's a bit too nice for me.
Good skills but can get bullied out of a match.

18 Aug 2011 09:07:20
if we sold Rodwell or 15mil, i'd be happy if Moyes got 10mil to spend. I would use most on a permenant striker and the rest on a loaned winger like A. Johnson or more realistically a free like Vincente. A swap deal will not happen, they hardly ever do. That would be great strengthening and could push us to top 6 and a very good chance of an excellent cup run. That would attract buyers or at the very least win us some cash.

But, i don't think we will get a sniff of interest in Rodwell until after he's had the magnificent season i think he will have this time. That sucks, but it could push his price up to 20-25mil.

Steve EFC (Twitter: @SteveBiggert)

18 Aug 2011 08:50:00
I have been watching Everton - every game.Rodwell is lousy. Bite their arms off. Or get one of their decent players and f*** Hibbert off.One of the worst players in the Premiership.

18 Aug 2011 08:19:04
Its official on Sky Sports News. "Everton have no money for perrmanent transfers" by Bill Kenwright {Ed024's Note - NOT exactly a shock eh!!!

OMG Seriously?, that explains it ALL, *facepalm*

GP

18 Aug 2011 07:09:50
billy liar has said no permanent signings in the summer as there is no money source ssn please f**K OFF KENWRONG

18 Aug 2011 00:33:05
Absolutely sick of hearing them shower of s**te not shutting up about ''King Kenny''
The pressures on them once again this season and not us, lets show them gobs**tes that we dont need to go out and spend 100 million to only get into the top 6
Yes we haven't got money, but Moyesey isnt thick, he knows what he's doing
It is known that by the end of august, possibly by the end of this week, Yakubu and Yobo will have left Goodison Park.
I can only see us getting around
£3 million for Yobo and £5 million for Yak, but i would still take £8 million pounds for players we don't need
What i would like to see moyes do is bring back Landon Donovan, we know he's not the youngest of players but he feels special at the club and will wear the shirt with some pride unlike other certain individuals There have also been many rumours flying round that Everton look to be signing him by the end of this week, would be a great buy for pride, passion, and can also play upfront, off the stirker and on the wings, a very versitile(or however you spell it) player
I would love to see Everton bring in Hugo Rodellega, but without selling a big player which we need at the club i honestly can't see it happen, unless Kenwright has money and shows it finally
A strong squad for next season in my opinion if we can keep our players fit

Howard
Neville Jagielka Distin Baines
Osman Cahill Fellaini Arteta
Beckford Saha

That's the team i can see us playing against QPR
With Donovan brought in it would immediately add more strength to our squad, with the team above there and other players competing for a start with the likes of Gueye Hibbert Heitinga Barkley Rodwell Anichebe Baxter Vellios Duffy and if we get him, Donovan.
We have quite a strong squad if you think about it blues and also some very good talented youngsters coming through
Stay strong, this is what it is like in the life of and Everton fan
COYB