Everton Banter Archive August 18 2016

 

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18 Aug 2016 21:46:26
I know you should never look at clips off YouTube to judge a player but sorry Bolasie's
individual skills, control, amazing ball skills, pace and power just awesome.
Never seen anything like it guys and I know it's just a snap shot but bloody hell what potential.
Now it's coming out that Lukaku's been badgering him to join him at Everton.
If it works the two of them will rip defences to shreds.

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19 Aug 2016 09:36:46
some clips are truthful and some are Niasse, at least Yannick is proven in the prem Mush

Cant wait to see him in action tomorrow mate, 3 great signings there Gana, Williams and Yannick

Never updated on the closed doors event the other day, I enjoyed it, never drank so much Chang in 90 minutes, what the hell is a canapes, never again

When Williams spoke you could see he was a born leader, this guy will make a massive difference to our defence, very intelligent man indeed.

Gana - well what more can I say, unbelievable funny, his answers must have been written by some fans as he answered every question with a reply that got us screaming e. g. "what are you most looking forward to with the Derby", answer "I like fighting" ha ha ha, this guy will be loved more than Tim Cahill is guaranteed

Roll on tomorrow, hope Rom is playing as can you imagine Yannick, Barkley, Del boy and Rom front 4, scary as fook.

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18 Aug 2016 21:08:43
Well, if you ever needed proof that Lukaku is worth the 75 mill price tag, today we have it. Benteke sold for over 30 mill again.

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19 Aug 2016 11:54:12
To be fair to Benteke, the lad is a decent footballer. It wasn't his fault that he was signed by a manager who had no idea how to play to his strengths at a club who don't play to that type of footballer. The strange thing is, that having spunked £35m on Andy Carroll and then realising he didn't suit their style, they then repeated the mistake with Benteke.

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18 Aug 2016 20:44:30
I don't get why the majority of our fans are getting all giddy and girly over the prospect of Hart. Mancini wanted rid, Pellegrini wanted rid now Pep wants rid and is actually doing something about it and us Everton fans are all excited. I have a sneaky suspicion it's because he's England number 1. Woop de fricken do.

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18 Aug 2016 22:07:23
Money aside you have to ask yourself Would he improve our squad and the answer is yes. Massively.
The only other attainable keeper with prem experience is begovic so would be my 1st choice although, having seen Hart rallying the players in the tunnel in the euro games, we could do with some of that. Unfortunately his wages and fee because he has played at city makes him unattainable unless maybe on loan.

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18 Aug 2016 22:28:33
Bergovic perfect example. And don't be using his rallying in the tunnel as a good thing because England still played rubbish and so did he. So I'm not buying thst 1.

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18 Aug 2016 22:45:54
Bergovic please, city can shuv joe hart, as far as they like.

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18 Aug 2016 22:46:53
England were not set up properly to beat teams that defended deep and played for a draw. We beat the only team (wales) that didn't play like that and those tactics or lack of is mostly down to the manager. No plan B and how we know so much about that after the last 2 seasons under martinez.

I would not be in a rush to take Hart but he is better than what we had last season and unless stekelenburg has the season of his life (which he may just surprise us and have that) then he would be better than we have this season.

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18 Aug 2016 22:54:27
Wouldn't say any fan is getting giddy over Hart. In fact, it has caused quite a split between supporters. As the first reply says, would Hart improve the squad? Yes he would, he is better than the two we already have. Who else is available? In a dream world, most of us seem to covet Butland but that would cost us a fortune as Stoke won't want to sell. Bergovic wants out but has anyone actually put a bid in? We could go down the route of recruiting from abroad but then that could cause problems as they adapt to the league. At least Hart has bags of experience, both domestically and in Europe. You can slate him for the Euro's but not many players came out with their reps in tact. Hart has been one of the top keepers in the prem since he joined city, there is no denying that. The whole point is to improve your squad window to window and, despite your disliking of him, he would help improve us in that position.

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18 Aug 2016 22:55:36
The preseason games and the starter stekelenburg had, he looked good, very good infact. So I believe given the chance to perform he will. If we get Hart yoy honestly think we gunna pay the 200,000 a week or whatever ridiculous money he is on for him to sit on the bench.

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18 Aug 2016 23:14:35
RK has said himself that he wants 3 keepers so there will be movement to get in another. Where does it say that he will want that sort of wage? If that's correct then he has alienated the majority of clubs that he could go to so I think that figure is wide of the mark mate.
MS may have done ok during pre-season and in the first game but can you honestly say that he has been better than Hart over the last few years? I didn't see or hear many, if any, say they wanted Stekelenburg when we all wanted a replacement for TH over the last 2 years. We need to buy a keeper who will go straight in as our new number 1 as the position is the weakest of our squad. If we do sign Hart then you should support him for what he does/ doesn't do in an Everton shirt not on what has gone on before.

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18 Aug 2016 23:17:04
Remember, up until a year or so ago he's never been challenged for the England shirt and possibly never been challenged for the man city spot. Now all this has come to light, he MAY feel he has something to prove. Remember the last Manchester keeper flop we signed. He was pretty good for 10 years for us. A year loan with an option. I'd take that (and I do agree there may be better, but would they come to us now)

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18 Aug 2016 23:23:17
Begovic won't happen due to bad relations between clubs.

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18 Aug 2016 23:29:37
How much adapting would a goalkeeper really need?

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19 Aug 2016 00:31:40
Some may settle right away Hugo but others may take time. De Gea took a while to adapt to this league, he wasn't too familiar with less protection from our refs compared to that in Spain. So it possibly depends on where they are currently playing. It's a gamble compared to bringing in a keeper with premier league experience. Hart's won his fair share of medals since signing for city so I see that as an advantage. The rumour is he prefers a loan move which is a perfect solution, see how he gets on. It would make sense to me if we did pull this off.

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19 Aug 2016 07:15:20
Forster Bergovic Butland Marshall Stelkers All better than hart and all gettable!

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19 Aug 2016 08:13:57
Sorry smeggs but forster and butland won't be moving this summer. Both have signed long term contracts recently.

A lot of my friends are city season ticket holders and they unanimously say they would be gutted to see Hart go and that he'd be a great signing for us. He has a mistake in him and those mistakes are higher profile than others as he's England and city number 1, but he is a top shot stopper.

Most importantly though he's a winner that hates to lose. He's incredibly vocal and would help boss the defence in front of him. That's exactly what we need and exactly why Joel will never be #1 in my opinion.

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19 Aug 2016 08:31:47
We don't need Hart, vastly over-rated in my opinion. Silly mistakes at both Club and England level that he has never learned from do not instill me with any confidence he would improve our side. Koeman has said he needs 3 goalkeepers but he probably means to bolster the Squad.

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18 Aug 2016 20:11:01
I do not understand why there is no noticable movement toward A. a Lukaku replacement (times two) or B. a support striker for Lukaku. I cannot believe the Koeman Team actually believe Kone is an adequate second striker.

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18 Aug 2016 21:12:28
I don't thing that they do Bill. What I believe we are seeing is the problem Koeman and Walsh are having problems convincing good overseas players to come to Everton. We older supporters know our history very well but you can't expect young foreign players to know anything about the club. Of course they will come if ridiculous salaries are paid but I can't see the Everton management team playing that game. Add the fact that every foreign team knows we a flush with money. Compromises will have to be made as the transfer session comes to an end so I expect to see a flurry of incomings late on. The fact that all four of our signings this year are from English clubs sort of supports the problem we are having recruiting foreign players.

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18 Aug 2016 21:16:32
BlueMike totally agree with you. But like you said our history means nowt. It's exactly that. History. Unless you're there now players don't want to know.

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18 Aug 2016 21:55:22
The end of the world is nigh, said Bill.

What noticeable movement would you like Bill? Everton have proven they have a very shrewd way of going about their transfer business and tend to do it under the radar. You will hear about Lukaku when something happens, until then, stop worrying about it. He may stay? He may leave? I doubt the club will let him go until sufficient replacements are found

So out your feet up Bill and watch a couple of episodes of casualty to cheer you up.

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19 Aug 2016 07:18:22
you might think I am mad but Charlie Austin would be a good fit.

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19 Aug 2016 08:36:18
Pedro yes sorry about that and I should not have said replacement (I actually believe he will stay) .

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18 Aug 2016 19:43:51
Phew! Rumour Hart off to Sevilia, and breath, can we concentrate on a striker now, Lukaku head isn't at Everton COYB.

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18 Aug 2016 17:54:02
As the Eds keep reminding us, we - the fans/ posters - should stop being concerned about how much money the club has to spend or what we should or shouldn't be bidding/ paying for players.
Modern transfers are bonkers as are the wages for top players and there are strict FFP, etc., rules about how much a club can spend compared to income.
So, let's leave the finances to those running the club.
Instead, we as fans/ posters should talk about which players we'd like at our club, which ones we want out, which signings have surprised (and pleased! ) us, which are baffling, who'd improve us, and does RK's playing style impress us. That's more than enough for lively banter and rumours and gossip, surely?

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18 Aug 2016 22:08:34
To be fair Sid its fun to talk about how much we think a player is worth and its been going on for decades.

As ED002 keeps saying finances and prices for players are unimportant and we shouldn't be concerned. However, people can still have their fun and have moan at what a player is worth and whether we should pay the money.

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18 Aug 2016 23:22:53
Must admit the fees are always at the back of my mind. Yes I know it's not my money, but it's my clubs future that's being played with. I hope I'm wrong and I must admit I cannot get my head around these over inflated prices. 30m for Bolasie? I think it's overpriced. I'm not saying he's a bad player. My concern is we buy a few players at this ability: price ratio, and then when we get to the level we want to 'buy big' we've already done the money Mr Chairman was willing to spend on us. Remember, the money wasn't 'splashed' till stones went. I hope I'm wrong and we've got it coming out our ar$es. I'm just not used to cash as an Evertonian.

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18 Aug 2016 17:18:05
Just a thought. If you think our transfer 'targets' are mental now, just wait until (hopefully) next year when we've caught up where we should be. Then that'll really be crazy.

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18 Aug 2016 17:16:15
"If Niasse likes to play football he needs to leave Everton"
Ronald Koeman

Arguably the best thing any manager in my lifetime of being a blue has ever said.

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18 Aug 2016 21:44:30
With you on that one mate!

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18 Aug 2016 16:25:37
Think its a no brainer with Hart on loan or to buy, he's as good as we can get from a club with a No1 Good Keeper. what's concerning me more than anything is we desperately need 2 Strikers and it seems as if were not linked with any in a concrete way. they're all Old news Strikers, Slimani. Remy etc. Kone is useless, Niasse been told to go in so many words n Rom forever moaning along with his Dad and Agent. Times moving on now, its our priority surely?!

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18 Aug 2016 17:22:31
by the sounds of it Lukaku will be staying. Like you though I would like 3 strikers at the club and Kone and Niasse need to go.

Koeman has indicated today 5 players should be leaving by the end of the window and he wants 4 in to replace them.

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18 Aug 2016 17:29:25
I think there will be some irons in the fire already. RK tried Delboy preseason and he was doing okay but needs a lot of work to become the finished article. I hope we do get a addition to Rom as Kone clearly is not up to the job.

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18 Aug 2016 15:45:03
If one is thinking abroad for GK I think Perin (not sure about spelling) Italy's no.2 would be a good choice. I think he is under the radar at the moment. He is a good goalie and possibly more reasonably priced.

COYB.

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18 Aug 2016 16:22:15
A good keeper but I prefer Leno or horn.

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18 Aug 2016 18:24:13
Butland.

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{Ed025's Note - hes one of the best around for me Tbone..

18 Aug 2016 14:55:54
I loved Koeman's answer about Niasse "if he wants to play football then he needs to leave Everton"

At least he's seen what everyone else has seen, Martinez parting gift wasting £13m on a useless player.

Lets now try and get a decent backup for Lukaku.

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18 Aug 2016 13:13:53
To everyone saying we should sign Sissoko because 'Koeman will get the best out of him', what makes you think that?

I am by no means criticising Koeman (I'm a big fan of everything he's done so far) , but he has signed several players with great potential who 'just needed to do it on a regular basis' in the past and failed to transform them. I could name about 4 or 5, but the main 2 that come to mind are Eljero Elia and Pablo Osvaldo; players with the ability to be top class on their day but are either too lazy, selfish or uncommitted - problems Sissoko greatly suffers from. Both of them showed incredible early potential and ended up being 2 of the biggest flops in recent times.

Again, this isn't an indictment of Koeman, just saying that this isn't one of his strong suits and I have no idea why so many people are just blindly faithful in our manager being omnipotent. I remember several people saying Bobby would do the same about every player we were linked with last year. We shouldn't sign Sissoko, end of.

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18 Aug 2016 14:30:03
Lets flip that coin over and see how many players he has managed to transform and get the best out of them. Every manager will have success stories and the same managers will have stories about not being able to get the best out of a player.

3 of the best managers ( in my opinion ) in my lifetime, Fergie, Shankley, and Cloughie all had players they could not control, Cloughie even went one step further and had a full team he could not control ( Leeds Utd ) yet at the end of the day all 3 were world class managers.

Compare managers with goal keepers, If for the majority of games the keeper manages a clean sheet then he is deemed a success, no one expects the keeper to have a clean sheet for the full season. Now with managers if they can get the best out of 90% - 95% of a team they will be deemed a great success, even the above 3 did not get that success.

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18 Aug 2016 17:47:17
As I said, this has nothing to do with me criticising Koeman, I'm just saying he doesn't have a track record of turning players around and so I don't think Sissoko is worth the risk. I looked through his signings and there's not a single one who fit the 'talented but troubled' mould who he got the best out of. He got the best out of a lot of players, I agree, but not out of any who clearly didn't want to give anything, like Sissoko, Elia or Osvaldo.

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{Ed001's Note - Dusan Tadic.}

19 Aug 2016 11:37:37
I was tempted to put him in the list of players he couldn't quite get the best out of. He proved in Eredivisie that he could be world class and he has impressive moments (and stats) , but Koeman still wasn't able to get him to regularly perform at the level he was capable of.

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18 Aug 2016 10:56:06
Morning Blues.

Hi Murf, thanks for message on Arsenal page.

You boy's happy?
Good, no, very good manager and some pretty decent signings?

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18 Aug 2016 11:13:38
All the best Dagenham. Good to see a post from you again.

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18 Aug 2016 13:03:15
How about you Dags? Are you happy with the lack of activitus at Arsenal? From an outsider it has been clear that you have needed a prolific goalscorer for years and now defensive reinforcements, yet it seems you are no closer to strengthening?

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18 Aug 2016 15:43:52
Thank you Tedster.

Bluegray.
It's a joke at the moment.
We identify player's we want, than offer derisory amounts for them and expect the selling club to sell to us.
I'm surprised we haven't offered you silly money for Lukaku, like £15m plus a packet of Jaffa cakes.

That's the Arsene/ Arsenal way mate and it's ridiculous.

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18 Aug 2016 19:31:50
Hi Dagenham, the biggest surprise for me was you not signing Williams. For the price he was exactly what you (and us) needed, a quality defender but more importantly a leader on the pitch.

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18 Aug 2016 20:54:36
Hi Longy,
Agree mate, but I think Wenger didn't go for Williams because he's after Mustafi.

Although, that seems to be running longer than Corrie.

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18 Aug 2016 10:20:38
Look we all want a goalkeeper and a top one at that let's break it down in to 2 easy categories number 1 is the goalkeeper that you as a fan wants as evertons next goalkeeper top class let's use hart and that would be a yes. Don't waste my time by saying he messed up in the euros and he did this in that game or I never caught the ball in this game! Number 2 is the goalkeeper available this is as big as number 1 again let's look at hart is he availible well it looks very much like he is. Let's be honest if We was linked with Goalkeeper before we had money he it was never a Hart or any top keeper it's been 20 years since we was linked with a top keeper and that was Nigel Martyn in 1996.

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18 Aug 2016 11:00:55
I don't actually want a goalkeeper at this time. I think we already have two good keepers. The problem for me last season was not Joel but how the defenders in front of him played. Stekelenburg looked solid on Saturday and with a well organised defence that may be the combination we have been wanting for a while now. I would like to know how many people think the so called world class keepers would perform under Martinez style of defending (well lack of it really)

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18 Aug 2016 12:22:10
I agree to a point about Joel but that aside he still isn't a No1 to take us forward, and if you're prepared to settle for that level of keeper, we'll never win anything.

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18 Aug 2016 14:13:05
I did say at this time, I would prefer to see us strengthen in other areas especially the goal scoring department. I am happy to give Stekelenburg his chance to see how good he is and then make an informed decision on his performance. Goal keeping is so subjective its not as easy to distinguish how good or bad a keeper after one game as they rely so much on the defence as a whole.

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18 Aug 2016 09:52:25
All these people who say sissoko is no good I would love him here has pace and power just needs to do it more consistently which Koeman would get out of him think he can boss games in the right team and set up, and 30m really today's market is not that bad I think we all saw at euros how good he can be.

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18 Aug 2016 12:54:13
He does seem a Koeman sort of player, fast, powerful and skilfull!

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