Everton Banter Archive January 19 2016

19 Jan 2016 22:45:58
Personally I think my post's are generally realistic as opposed to doom and gloom or always positive.

11 points we have lost from a winning position and that's just the last 6 games. Seriously Martinez please address the matter asap.

Because we would be 4th with them dropped points. I know we will drop winning positions but this is starting to take the piss.

20 Jan 2016 06:42:39
How can RM get so much right - the expansive, entertaining, attacking football, the scoring of so many goals from open play, his use of ex-Evertonians In the coaching and development areas, the recruitment of exciting players and the bringing through of young talent - and yet get so much wrong - the lack of defensive organisation, our appalling record (defensively and offensively) at set pieces, his misplaced loyalty to out-of-form and just-plain-past-it players, our dropping of points from winning positions, our massive underachievement in the league this season?
I supported RM's appointment, I loved his first season (so near, yet at the end just too far! ) , I lost faith with him (and the club) last season, I was a born-again Evertonian by the start of this season, and am now hoping that he can get it right.
However, I fear that his footballing philosophy convictions (stubbornness in most fans' eyes) ! seem immovable and his tenure will be another example of an Everon manager being tantalisingly close, but ultimately being unable to deliver. Is he destined to be like Billy Bingham or Gordon Lee who were so nearly successful (and hopefully not Like Walter Smith or Mike Walker! ) or (hoping beyond hope) turn the corner like Howard Kendall did? Well, for what it's worth, at least it gives us something to discuss - which shows that we still care :-)

19 Jan 2016 21:42:12
{Ed's Note - We have posted a new article entitled, Watford And Norwich Make Transfer Market Splash And More News

19 Jan 2016 21:25:54
1-1 but we should be rooting for yovil as young lad on loan walsh is playing for them.

19 Jan 2016 21:04:33
Watching Italian cup QF give me Everton any day! Dull football!

19 Jan 2016 20:44:42
right here is my take on niesy befor I start let's get one thing strait he wanted to go, everton did not stand in his way out of respect to him, and its only m. o, superb fella top bloke but very average player that couldn't hold down a regular playing spot at everton, why we ask are selves well from my point of view was because he just wasn't good enough his finishing was top class when he was up to it, his passing needs much to be desired which is why kone is put in before him they both have similar scoring records, they both ain't good in the air, the one thin niesy had was 100% desire and passion but unfortunately that dose not win you games I personally think he hid behind that fact to cover his own failings on the pitch, now people say he wasn't given a chance up front under moyes he was dint shine to many times turned up in big games and was not seen in smaller games let's face it he dint have much comp up front under moyes, now under Martinez he was given a couple of chance but again turned up in big games and wasn't seen in smaller games people say he was played out of position well he scored a few goals in that position hatrick against Chelsea to name a few he was never going to dislodge lukaku so what was are alternative 8.5mill is a steal I see him doing exactly the same at Norwich starting against them sat, niesy could of stayed and possibly won a cup with us he just wasn't good enough to hold down a place he chose to go to Norwich and good luck to him but its the end of his football as far as am concerned lovely bloke great fella but just failed football wise with everton.

19 Jan 2016 20:54:14
Honest post Muff and can't really disagree, why we would want him to stay is as a squad player or super sub he gave his all and we all ask nothing more than that within a players capabilities!

19 Jan 2016 21:03:06
IMO he was never given a chance to play alongside another striker if he had then he may well have delivered more goals. unfortunately under DM and now under RM we don't play 442 I do agree he is not a lone striker so it is probably best for him to move on as it is unlikely he will get much playing time if he stayed. Top bloke both on and off the field.

20 Jan 2016 00:26:38
To be fair I'd say Naismith was great in the air, won loads!

20 Jan 2016 01:59:28
Unreal leap for a header for a player of his height. Wouldn't be shoved out of the way too easily that's for sure.

Can't argue with you much muff. Best deal all round.

19 Jan 2016 19:13:32
Why is it whenever we sign or sale a player we always let it be known the price, mostly all other teams show there deals as undisclosed? Y do we always do this?

19 Jan 2016 19:44:35
id rather are club be honest and open.

19 Jan 2016 20:55:37
Everton may have asked for the price to be undisclosed in case we try and spend it!

19 Jan 2016 21:05:39
There have been quite a few undisclosed fees over the last couple of years.

19 Jan 2016 18:56:50
Roberto Martinez has always said that we would end each transfer window with a stronger squad than we had going into the window. Well, we've signed a young centre-back (who's nowhere near the first team at present) and a forward (who's returned on loan to his former club for the rest of this season) - and we've sold Naismith, an international player, to a Premier League rival. We're also looking to offload (if only on loan) some of the squad that aren't getting enough game-time. Putting all of this together, I don't see how we're stronger. Perhaps there will be some more quality coming in, but I just wonder.
Come the summer, there'll be quite a few older players (and out of contract ones) whose situations will have to be resolved and/ or quality replacements brought in and/ or more youngsters brought through from our U-21 and U-18 teams. If our lack of Europen football costs us our top players, then we could be in for a massive squad turnover in the summer and that level of disruption risks a lack of progress for another season or more.
RM is clearly feeling the pressure - as evidenced by him blaming referees rather than coaching the team to defend better, mange games better, and be clinical in finishing. Oh -and not forgetting - sorting out the goalkeeping situation!
Under the present board, he'll survive this season, but if next season (his fourth with us) doesn't look good by the time of the January transfer window, then even our bird might act.
Pretty much all of us love the attacking football, but we are all desperate for RM to prove that his teams can defend leads and manage games and stop throwing away points.

19 Jan 2016 19:12:57
Not standing up for Martinez but as far as I know he always said they would try their best to insure the squad is better at the end of the window. Not guaranteeing they will.

I'd be against selling Gibson. As you point out losing players in the summer and they will need to be replaced.

But I agree with trimming the squad. The club benefits financially and makes room for new recruits. Whatever form they come in.

For the record I would of kept Naismith but its good business and the best for all involved.

It does look like a busy summer of comings and goings. As long as Martinez and co keep trying their best to improve the squad at every window we should be ok. We can't ask for any more than them trying their best.

O yea, maybe try a bit harder to work on defence Martinez please 😃.

19 Jan 2016 21:11:35
To be fair to RM the officials did actually loose us the win against Chelsea. I don't think you can blame the defence if an offside player scores a goal and its allowed.

19 Jan 2016 22:39:32
Yea but you kinda can blame them for losing a 2 - 0 lead. It's becoming the norm that we lose a lead.

20 Jan 2016 15:20:27
The coach and the players lost us the win against Chelsea all RM was doing was feigning anger to hide his own short comings. How many times this season have we allowed Teams to come back at us with this are we defending, half defending or let's score more goals than them attitude from winning positions. The harsh truth is that the offside goal should not have made a difference.

19 Jan 2016 18:33:53
well well well mr byram chose west ham after all me personally don't agree with players demanding to be in the team ie first team place when he hasn't been tested in the prem, no way would or should he be ahead of coleman until proven, now he had that chance with coleman been out, but to me he's opted for first team footie and new stadium plus westham are a more settled club, the uncertainties surrounding are club will not of helped the deal come down to seeling of the club, if the lad wasn't cup tied that might of swung it are way, at the end of the day we have a lad at the club just as good as him in Holgate I have no doubt in two years time Holgate will be better than byram.

19 Jan 2016 21:00:08
It's always been part of negation a players squad status, unless you are a fringe or young player! Lukaku would have been guaranteed first team place.

19 Jan 2016 17:36:24
Like to say good luck to Steven Naismith on his move to Norwich. let's hope he bags a couple against that lot across the park at the weekend. One thing I can't get my head around is why sell a player who can score goals, gives 110% every time he played even when being played out of position and never moaned, a proper player, add to that a grounded decent human being and we keep Kone? A Martinez signing a Martinez favourite.

19 Jan 2016 18:35:18
Concur totally what you say about Naisy but why bring Kone into it? We got no chance of letting him go, especially for 8.5m, who wants to buy him for that kind of money. The only other that can supply that kind of money is Mirallas and would you prefer him to go rather than Naisy. i'm still pinching myself that we've got 8.5 for Naisy, its a better sale than the 6m we got for Anichebe in my opinion.

19 Jan 2016 18:36:01
he wanted to go and his goals were few and far between I will post my opinion on here in a bit might upset a few people but its only my thoughts.

19 Jan 2016 21:21:02
Wouldnt you wanna go muff when kone is keeping you out the side, whos goals are? well let's put it this way apart from sunderland game are rare as hens teeth.

19 Jan 2016 16:51:45
When players are picking West Ham over Everton someone on the board got to start thinking why.

19 Jan 2016 14:45:12
With Fellini rumoured move to Milan, does anyone know if we added a sell it on fee.

19 Jan 2016 15:12:32
Doubt it, we got £27m for the donkey and they're getting £19m.

19 Jan 2016 15:31:07
That donkey done well for us imo. Was one of better players when he was here. I always liked to see him in the team when he was here. Got decent amount of goals for a midfielder.

19 Jan 2016 15:34:45
NBTB I agree. And before everyone has a go at me. we used to score a few from set pieces and corners. And we conceded less at set pieces and corners. I wonder why?

19 Jan 2016 15:42:03
I liked him myself nb but he let us down big time in the quarter final against Wigan he was completely disinterested and then had a go at our fans when he was being rightly subbed so for that alone I wanted him gone that alone for me ruined all his good points I have no respect for him and I think he's a donkey.

19 Jan 2016 15:43:01
I agree Degsypulford. People will start getting off topic so I think we'll leave it at that.

19 Jan 2016 15:45:06
That's not because of felliani though degs that bobbys tactics.

19 Jan 2016 15:50:03
No argument from me on that one degsy

19 Jan 2016 16:01:14
Fair enough Blueliam you think he's a donkey. Done well at Everton for a donkey then so. I know them 2 small issues you mention puts him in a bad light.

But a lot of players have little episodes like that. Yaya Troure makes every other player look like the most grounded people on earth. His comments and reactions sometimes are hilarious.

Whenever Naismith retires he should set up a business on how to train professional footballers to remain grounded and appreciative of what they have. Naismith is a dying breed in the football world. Most are heading in the direction of Yaya.

19 Jan 2016 17:31:32
What tactics Blueliam? Does that include the players he picks? Like for instance small players who are not as good in the air? Fellaini was one of the best in the air. Not only with his head but his ability to chest it down and bring others into play. sheilding the ball. Would like to know how many goals were created by him or scored by him compared to say Lukaku from set plays. Not that I am having a go about Lukaku but I would like to see both in the box at both ends for us. that would be formidable at both ends.

19 Jan 2016 17:26:28
Personally I liked Fellaini I thought he was underrated and was effective for us off the striker just ask manure!

{Ed025's Note - he done a job wakka and did score some vital goals, but i think we have moved on from that style of player mate...thank god..

19 Jan 2016 18:02:05
Yes I agree to Ed025 but it still doesn't stop everyone moaning about the new style!

19 Jan 2016 18:42:56
Wakka57 that made me laugh. we are Evertonians. we know how to moan more than just about anyone else on the planet! I got a masters in moaning. took me years of practice so that even when I am not moaning it sounds like I am! Ok put these in order of which you like to moan about most: LFC, Referees, the FA, Moyes, Martinez, McGeady, Kone, Temporary Traffic Lights (sorry that one is personal) , MUFC, Russian owners, ISIS, etc . you got to laugh we are Evertonians!

19 Jan 2016 18:44:29
Yea Ed our style is better. Still Fellaini made us a nice wee profit along with doing his fair share on the pitch.

{Ed025's Note - he certainly did mate..

19 Jan 2016 09:33:50
{Ed's Note - We have posted a new article entitled, Man City & Liverpool Send Players Abroad On Loan, Toure Might Move And Fellaini Not Good Enough Plus More News

19 Jan 2016 10:55:31
Bet that's your car isn't it Ed1, 1st Ed is super rich eh, our poor Old Ed25 must be in a N reg Micra then, maybe a Volvo 340.

{Ed025's Note - your right there degs...its like in football there are the have,s and have not,s mate, but at least its mine, reliable and gives me great pleasure and does not pretend to be a rolls royce.. :)

19 Jan 2016 15:58:35
You on about a car or the wife Ed.

{Ed001's Note - he said pleasure, so it is probably his mistress he is referring to.}

19 Jan 2016 16:29:38
Ye right Ed1, pleasure and wife are two words that definitely do not go together, what was I thinking.

{Ed001's Note - it's ok mate, just blame it on the drink.}

19 Jan 2016 08:49:54
The January window as ever is fickle, we are all posting our disappointment at what, a promising championship player that hasn't signed, let's not forget we have already signed a bright prospect from Switzerland and let's face it Everton have a fantastic record for young player development so its the lads loss.
But if you look at ALL the rumours in the market there really aren't many players that would significantly improve our first eleven.
There is little movement of top quality as clubs are unwilling to sell, even ourselves Naisey is a verge / squad player that wants game time.
So as usual I will not build my hopes up to expect anything more than a loan that will fill the gap left with his departure.

19 Jan 2016 14:05:09
Well said wakka57. Not having a swipe at you Swan but when you mention 'big' club mentality as apposed to 'small' club mentality in regards to transfers we haven't the money or resources at the moment to go out and spend big.

An odd time we can like Lukaku but at the moment our main aim is to get value and young players who we think have a future.

I have criticized Martinez in some respects but I have to compliment him in his dealings in the transfer market. Apart from McGeady and Alcaraz he got very good deals.

He seems to have a good grasp of the situation at Everton and knows how to deal with it. Barry is as a good a signing as Everon have had in a long time.

I totally agree with wakka57 there's not many players out there available who would improve our first 11. Byram would have been good if he signed because of his age and he probably will turn out to be good value.

All this Yarmolenko talk and singing players of the same ilk doesn't excite me much to be honest. In my line of work I love a bargain. That's why I love to see Everton getting value as in Coleman, Del boy, Stones and Barkley along with the other developing younger players.

Its good business and is very prudent in running a business. Arsenal like ourselves have a very good business sense which I feel is very important.

Imo that's why BK sticks by Martinez. He gets what the club is about and is coherent in the future dealings. His attitude towards recruiting younger players is what makes him an improvement in Moyes as regards transfer policy.

However his downfall is obviously defence. I hope he learns how to rectify that current problem. Otherwise it could be at the detriment of Everton F. C.

That's how I see it anyway. So big signings don't get me more excited than a cheaper value option. They actually excite me less because of my business sense of trying to be as wise as you can with money.

Anyway hopefully we can ride out the shaky defence and get back challenging at the top again. Where we should be.

I know my views will not be agreed by many but I think until we get a decent investor its the most realistic way at looking at how to run the club.

19 Jan 2016 15:48:36
Not sure I agree with this 100%. You mention Martinez is better than Moyes then quote Del Boy, Stones, Coleman and Barkley as his improvement.3 of those were Moyes bargain signings. as in the 3 cost less than what we paid for Del Boy. I would also say 6.5 million for Kone was a waste.

19 Jan 2016 16:23:49
Since when was Coleman the be right back in the league?

19 Jan 2016 16:28:19
Ok Degsupulford you took me up wrong when I compared him to Moyes. I argued till I'm blue in the face here defending Moyes and the good deals he got us. I'm not getting roped into another one but I will let you know exactly what I meant.

In regards to young player development and singing younger players imo Martinez is better than Moyes was. Prob more on the development side of things.

Your right Moyes bought 3 of the 4 I mentioned. Moyes would of developed them too and Moyes does deserve credit for signing them. I've said that plenty of times on here.

You should know at this stage I'm a Moyes fan Degsypulford and very rarely write anything negative about him.

I'm by no means Martinez biggest fan but credit where it is due. He is signing a lot of young potential players. And is doing well with Stones, Galloway and Del boys development.

When I mentioned those players above it was more of a Everton point of view rather than a managers point of view.

Basically saying good business goes along way no matter who undertakes the business. That's what every club needs good business people to make things work.

I'm not going to respond to any Moyes v Martinez talk. I made a new years resolution and I'm going to try and stick by it.

19 Jan 2016 07:52:47
jeez some of our fans need a good boot to the testys! how is it evertons fault that byram has opted for west ham? ad choose signing for everton over any team - the kids a west hammer as is his family . totally understand why . forget about him and move on. jeez lads pull yer self together.

19 Jan 2016 08:03:23
spot on Dazza, some people just love having a go at the club for any reason whatsoever, seems to be the same posters too, his loss not ours.

19 Jan 2016 14:08:11
Agree 100% dazza the jock and Murf1000. Don't know what some people be thinking sometimes. That could be the problem! They don't think because they are too busy giving out.

19 Jan 2016 02:51:22
Next to the cost of labour, and givern that the land would be on a low cost long leass from the local authority, surley the next highest, cost is the steel, so, if we are ever going to build a new ground, with long term interests at an all time low, its either now or never.
All the conditions are in place, to go ahead withe the project, all that's lacking now is the will in the boardroom, whoever the owners are, nows the time.