Everton Banter Archive July 19 2013
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19 Jul 2013 21:23:06
Was Fellaini a £15.9m player when we signed him? Bluenose Will.
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How do you mean? £15.9m purchase or £15.9m worth player?
He cost £15m but, at the time, was certainly not worth it. But times have changed since 2008.
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The official club website reported on 2nd September 2008 "Club officials confirmed the deal in the early hours of Tuesday morning and Fellaini joins the Blues for an initial fee of 18.5 million euros (£15 million) that will rise throughout the deal, putting pen to paper on a five year deal at Goodison Park. "
Anyone know how much the fee has risen throughout the deal? I imagine it eats into the release clause fee being spoken about now. Anyone know how the renewed contract signed back in November 2011 might have affected any arrangements? I also imagine any sell on percentage with Standard Liege - if there is any such arrangement - would reduce the resulting funds for a replacement. Again, anyone know the details?
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Just £15m I thought?
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It was about 15m, and your point is?
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Release clause is quite low. The one play like Felli suppose to be 40m.
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I think his point was that when Fellaini came in, he probably wasnt worth the price we paid for him, but he's now worth a lot more therefore McCarthy probably is worth the price tag due to his potential to be a player worth 20m plus. But to be honest I don't really think fellaini's worth 15m even now and McCarthy seems to be very similar to Gibson. We need a pacey, attacking minded playmaker to play with Gibson instead IMO
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I think the OP is saying was he worth it at the time of purchase or has he got better
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Blue Haz; 'But to be honest I don't really think fellaini's worth 15m even now'. Are you serious? someone doesn't go to many games.
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AB1878- season ticket holder actually. And obviously an exaggeration as regards to price but if you look at how much he slows play down and his short passing when he plays that deep role is sometimes pretty poor. Also when we do play him behind the striker we're susceptible to the long ball too often without a plan B and were found out last season by a number of teams
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He's also prone to sulking in matches he's not fussed about where he's clearly not giving what he should. Not Everton for me and the money being said (23m) is above my valuation of the player. That was what I was trying to say but should've phrased it better:)
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All this negative play was under moyes remember, give felli 6 months under roberto before chatting this crap
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If felli was sold last christmas it would be 25mil all day, but the guy who assaulted shawcross, and moped around a bit like somebody had stole his toy after that is prob the reason nobody has been in for him. the reason martinez is looking at mc carthy is a combination on felli possibily leaving and gibsons (whos looked great) not being able to play a full season threw injury
MikeDeBlue
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19 Jul 2013 18:33:35
Several posters have commented that the Fellaini release clause expires on 14th August AND is only for clubs qualified for the UEFA Champions League. Arsenal, one of the clubs apparently interested, have to get through the play-off round in order to reach the group stages (which ManUtd, ManCity and Chelsea are already in). The play-off round legs take place on 20th/21st August and 27th/28th August. A moot point, but how would Arsenal be considered in this context as far as the release clause is concerned?
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Now that's a good question if ever I've seen one, Sid.
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Arsenal don't even want him, it is all paper talk
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Id think there eligible on the basis there in the draw
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The clause is allegedly around £24m for a CL qualified team and £22m for non CL teams. I believe he would only leave for a team that is in the CL so Arsenal, should they qualify, may prove an attractive proposition.
However, his wage demands of £100k pw are threatening to scupper any transfer to Arsenal. Expect Fellaini to lower these demands if he hasn't secured a move in the next couple of weeks because he very much fancies the move but would prefer to join Man U, given the opportunity.
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22m for a non cl team, what a load of rubbish, that makes no sense. that proves u don't have a clue and your just guessing, plucking a story about arsenal not wanting to over pay on wages
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I'm not guessing at all, I was actually told this by a trusted source at Arsenal. Re the clause, note the term 'alleged' in the first sentence?
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19 Jul 2013 15:23:41
I think if we do sign McCarthy we would have an extremely strong midfield.
Mirallas and Pienaar or deulefeu on the wings, with Fellaini, Gibson and McCarthy in the middle, possible with Barkley playing a couple of games. Now that is a force to be reckoned with!
Another bonus would be not having to play that over-rated, passed it, Osman
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Osman is not overrated he has been great last few seasons and I am glad he got his england call up
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Have you been looking directly at the sun?
Ozzie had a great season (England call ups) and personally think he will suit Martinez's style of play.
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19 Jul 2013 20:12:13
Ossie has been a great servant to our club so have some respect. your post was decent until you ruined it with a classless remark which didn't need to be in there
degsy
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What a great supporter.
Why not show some respect to a player that has given his entire career to the club and always put in 100%.
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I agree Ossie is overrated - he strolls around too much for me, walking about
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Ossie passed it, what have you been drinkin for the passed twelve months son?
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If u watched the accrington game, you'd realise ossie is far from past it, best player on the pitch!
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Bit disrespectful to Ozzie that mate. The lad has had his up's and downs but the last couple of seasons he's worked his plums off for the blues. (Wavertree Blue)
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Harsh on osman but we do need more CM options
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In my opinion the 4-2-3-1 we been playing so far ossie fits perfect behind the striker. ossie could be our player of the year next season.
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Only observation I'd make about Osman is that in a 4-2-3-1 formation (which we've used in the two pre-season games so far) I think he's better suited to being part of the 3 behind the main striker rather than one of the 2 in front of the back-4. I like to see him being a clever, quick-footed player around the opposition box rather than having to try and tackle and break up play in front of our box.
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Sry I disagree leon osman is one ov the most underater player in the league, he no world beater but he is better (a lot better) than people make out, if you actually watch him him play you will see his first touch and control is better than most.
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OP here, I'm not slating Osman at all, he has been a quality player for years. I just think in recent times he's too slow now, lost his sharpness. Take the Accrington game for example, I don't know how some of you think he was the best man on the pitch! He gave away the ball 70% of the times he had it and was just generally outclassed by Gibbo in every way. In the past he has been brilliant, but last season he really showed how he is tiring and can no longer last 90 mins
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How the hell is ossie overrated?
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I know he did well last year but why at 31 to start playing your best football, he's a good player but he fades badly in the second half of games and he often has the best feet but can't finish at all, good servant but shouldn't be playing week in week out
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Last season Ossie had greatest time in his career I think it will continue. The one RM. consider to buy only back up or future. And because of this whoever more than the area of 6m. is too much.
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OP again, when I say over-rated, that is by the majority of Evertonians. He is probably under-rated by a lot of other fans but to me he is no longer anything special.
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Gets knocked of the ball to easily, nice bloke though.
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To OP. Forward players tend to give the ball away a lot because they are risky and difficult passes to try and create opportunities.
A lot of players in the link up play or defensive play will have a good passing rate because they are usually short easy passes where there is space.
I thought Osman when playing for England looked really comfortable and it was great to see an England player actually want the ball and do something with it other than hit it long.
He's 32 and not getting younger but I haven't seen a performance from him that I thought he should be out of the team.
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To the op, if osman was as terrible on the ball as you make out, why would the whole everton squad say ossie is the best man they know with the ball at his feet and they all say he is the most skillful at the club! do one saying he had a bad game on wednesday, he was a very close second for man of the match
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Sure, Ozzys performances were so diabolical last season he was given the honour of representing his country. Roy H isn't the sort to dish out free caps to a blue. He saves them for the Shelvys of this world. Ozzy earned it by playing some amazing football and showing everyone just how good he is. Another CM in the squad would take the workload off him a bit and I really think his best is yet to come. Shame you butchered what started as a decent post with such tosh.
Hank
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Ok poeple need to let this ossie thing go, he played ok last year and got a run out in a friendly, he's loyal and hard working but let's not get ahead of ourselfs here
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19 Jul 2013 15:22:34
I don't like Stoke, but I give them top marks for what they've done with their fans - free travel to all away games. If only other clubs would stop thinking "Who gives a f**k about the loyal fans. All we want is money, money, money. "
You don't need a Dubai oil merchant to take over in order to get a bigger fan base. I mean say Everton did it (free way travel), the amount of kids we'd get going more to away games would increase massively. A kid would start to love the club more if he/she feels the Everton love on away days - there's nothing better.
If travel to home games cost very little for you (for me it costs £10-£12), getting a membership would mean you can go to most the games for a little amount compared to normally.
Not only that, but if you gather £20 (average amount as away tickets vary) you could go to some of the grounds you haven't been to. Southampton for example would cost roughly £20 (ticket) + loads for the travel (official coach, train, etc), but instead of paying maybe in excess of £100 for an away game, you'd get it for £20-£40.
If only.
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We sell out virtually all of our away games mate
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Yeah I know. But what I meant is wed get more kids, who don't necessarily have a blue family.
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Only problem I have with the free travel expect a lot of trouble with away fans (hooligans). pick up a ticket £20-£45 travel free they will be rubbing hands together wiith delight.
Free travel should go to season ticket holders who have been loyal home+away for say more then the last 5yrs IMO
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Stoke only offered free transport to away games because they have a poor away following, we have one of the best away followings in the leage
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The away games aren't for kids mate, anyone putting there kids in a loud, abbrasive away end needs to have a good look at themselfs
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To the last replyer, football is about the fans and we should try and get as many youngsters going to away games as we can, they are the future of our club! its a joke u are saying youngsters shouldn't go away games
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You want the club to pay for your programmes and drinks too. Hold on I will give Bill a call and he can get you a night in the travel lodge too.
If you want to go pay for it!
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Its a joke last few games we have had several smoke bombs going off, if your happy taking them to that then you go ahead, i'd rather take them the family enclosure meself
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19 Jul 2013 13:58:10
Well 2 pre-season games down and so far so good, some good run outs and the results are not important. I've tried not to be critical, but at times in the games our defending has been suspect, but hopefully with fitness and time this will correct itself, however i've noticed that we are playing a higher defensive line and against Vienna we were susceptible to the long ball! However Naismith and Gueye as simply not good enough, Naismith makes such shocking decisions and Gueye is simply useless!
Its great to see so many young players getting a chance, and knowing that they are not just making up the numbers, that Martinez see's them as the furure. Our football has been excellent and its nice to see us trying new things especially at set pieces.
I'm also very impressed with Martinez, he hasn't once refered to our great club in the third person as our previous manager used to do. Everytime he talks about the club you can see the passion and commitment and with his statements 'WE ARE EVERTON' he has hit the nail on the head. I know its early days but I havn't been this excited about Everton in years, I have a feeling the Martinez is going to be remembered as one of our great managers.
In relation to transfers, I think McCarthy would be a great signing, when we were signing Gibbo and everyone was against it, I said how good player he was and how highly rated he was on this side of the pond, well Mc Carthy is widly regarded as the best Irish player in years, he's going to be the national captain in years to come, and at 13.5 mil I think he's a steal considering what is being spent on players these days. I can see him running our midfield for years to come!
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Agree everything except 13.5m. for back up or future is too much.
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19 Jul 2013 18:53:54
Mate, you are seriously tripping if you think Mcarthy is a steal at 13.5 million. he's worth 6 million if that. It would be terrible if we blew all our transfer kitty on him for that ridiculous amount of money.
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Kurajan,
Hes great at the PR, but at least wait till your 20 games in, maybe you may see things differently. i'm betting its not too long before you are completley underwhelmed.
and where are you getting 13 million form to buy McCarthy?. I agree with your comments on him but with wages he s going to cost 20 million plus. You ain't spent that in the last 4 seasons.
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I think a player who is 22 in big games mc carthy hasn't been out of his depth made Felliani look like a pensioner at goodison, ran the game in cup final, will only get better. fact is we might pay over the odds. mc carthy is a class player
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I can't believe with scotland links we never bought him years ago when he was being talked about
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19 Jul 2013 11:18:24
With utd bidding only 25 mill for Fabregas and rumoured saying that Baines is over priced. (even though moyes said he was worth 20 mill last season). It makes me wonder if it was BK or Moyes himself that wouldn't pay the prices of all those players we have missed out on over the years.
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19 Jul 2013 10:52:46
The reason mcarthhy is so priced. because he's young and very telented midfielder would love us to sign him and have our own gerrard"to shut them up across the park!
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Lol, McCarthy and Gerrard in the same breath. Gerrard is in a different league to McCarthy, ie world class and proven. I am a blue!
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I am a red and I think McCarthy is a better prospect personally.
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19 Jul 2013 18:12:43
Don't believe you are a blue. Gerard WAS good
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I agree with first comment. McCarthy isn't even close to Gerrard. The reason his price is so high is because his club's owner is a deluded old fool. He is worth 7-8m and could probably fetch about 10m, tops. Most relegated players go for about half their initial evaluation, not double.
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Until McCarthy plays in a good team we won't know how good he is. could be awesome but could be rubbish. I watched a youtube clip of him against Manchester United 2day and he was good. but I think gibbo is playing that position atm
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Correction was mate, he's an old man now and injuries have taken their toll on him. Mc carthy would leave him for dead now.
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Gerrard was world class 2-3 seasons ago but not now world class gets branded around to much these days there was a time when you needed to do it on the biggest stage World Cup
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Both in the premier league.
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Gerrard has been a Fantastic player and is Still top quality, just his consistancy has dipped. can't domostw mcarthy yet coś he is playing in a team nowhere near as good and at the start of his career, only time will tell
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Mcarthy is not and never will be in the same league as gerrard (metaphorically) gerrard is 33 and he is still quality can't surge through the opposition half anymore but his passing tackling shooting vision set peices and still skillful and fir a 33yr old has lots of pace mcarthy doesn't stand out in a terrible wigan team I hope you spend 15 mil on him because it will be a huge waste
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19 Jul 2013 10:06:52
I think anything over 7/8 mil is a joke for McCarthy. We can't judge him on the fact that Wigan got relegated because that's not down to one player. I just think from what I have seen he is average however he may have potential but until he does his fee should reflect this! I would be surprised if the rumours if us offering in the region of 13.5 mil are true!
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Mc carthy seems to split are fans over his price. every time I've watched him really impressed by his ball retention, only 22 feel the likes of baines and Coleman would really benefit by his transfer,. fear felliani will go but mc carthy and a another signing i'd be happy
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19 Jul 2013 14:21:38
People who are raving about McCarthys fee must not have seen him play because he is class. Unfortunately that is the rate these days. Jordan Henderson/Downing/Ashley Young all went for over 20mil. I would love to see him in the blue of everton but it won't happen. Finally I remember people on this site going on about rasmus elm and how good he was when ireland played swedan this year mccarthy got man of the match and ran the game up against elm in midfield.
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He is overpriced but unfortunately so is everyone else due to the influx of extra sky money, 8 for ince, 10 for cornelius and many more like these, all players unproven in EPL, mcarthy is at least that.
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Agree with previous posts that this is the going rate for a young british player. Look what we got for Rodwell, who at Everton was only ever talked about as being promising. Never really done it for me. At least McCarthy has establsihed himself in the prem and will only get better. I think it would a good business.
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Ive finally found two knowledgable Evertonians (blue paddy and the last poster). Well done fellas.
Amazing how people can comment on a player they have seen no more than 6 times. Youve clearly never played the game and really should hold your hans up and say you just have not seen enough of him.
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19 Jul 2013 09:46:52
Anyone know why Kone hasn't featured yet?
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He was on the bench on Wednesday.
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He only joined up with the squad on monday
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19 Jul 2013 08:37:09
I think McCarthy is the perfect cm for us:
Good passer
Mobile
Young
Knows Martinez style
Good defensively
Not afraid to get stuck in
Hard working
I can't think of a cm in the prem more suited to us
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What about a CM currently outside the Premier League? Someone either outside England or in the lower leagues (which, being pedantic, McCarthy now is at Wigan).
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I meant to say looking out of the prem might be the best option but don't watch enough European/lower league football to comment
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19 Jul 2013 07:24:18
Listening to talk s. te last night. The Mancs aren't impressed with moyes differing in the transfer market. All I say is enjoy we had 11yrs of it!
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19 Jul 2013 01:06:46
I know its normally taboo to mention other sites on here but you have to go on the Everton fish site and read the blubber article on moyes first day at man u, so funny.
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19 Jul 2013 00:32:29
Various press reports claiming that everton are closing in on a £12 million deal for James McCarthy & that Martinez expects him to sign soon.
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£12m, you're having a laugh aren't you? no way on earth is he worth that much.
and to think that's what Manchester United offered us for bainsey, if mcarthy's valued at
£12m them bainsey's worth at least 3 times that
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WHY!!!!!!!
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Cant see it happening unless Fellaini/Baines is sold, and I don't see that happening.
Think if Fellaini were to leave, seems like Martinez would target McCarthy and Ince with some of the money.
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Surely RM is assessing the squad now before making any other moves?
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When are Evertonians going to realise that £12m is not a lot for a young player these days. Remember we got the same for Rodwell and he has been injured for much of the previous 2 seasons.
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Let's hope so Sid. I'm not into this deal whatsoever, it smells of Jordan Henderson. Also 4 ex Wigan players? Wtf. Does anyone know if Martinez has brought any scouts with him? Pffft
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18 Jul 2013 23:27:53
I see lots of reds on our board today but seriously who would you take from there squad I'd take:
Sterling- good on Fifa and needs to be saved before too many training sessions with downing
Coutiniho- solid haircut
Mingolet- Joel will need back up when Howard retires
The chip guy- I'm sure my mate says they sell chips in analfield
Quinny
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Sterling loves going out in town and pulling the birds, would of been perfect if drenthe and shandy van de meyde were still at everton
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The obsession with them is pathetic on here. If you need to discuss them, there is a Liverpool site so people can talk about them till their heart is content. Why would we be arsed about Liverpool. let's focus on ourselves.
Mike
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¿Que? WTF?
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Mike as everton fans we can naturally poke fun at our nearest rivals. It's called banter mate, I believe that's what this site claims to be.
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18 Jul 2013 23:11:38
Just a little thought on why Arsenal haven't activated his release clause. Could it be that they haven't qualified yet?
They have to play the preliminary rounds first and it might that this is the sticking point for them to activate it?
Just a thought.
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Or they could just not want him
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