Everton Banter Archive July 01 2013

 

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01 Jul 2013 23:16:47
I do not want Kone anywhere near our club! He was wigans main striker an they got relegated! Speaks volumes for me. He does not improve us! Why go backwards? I'd rather give the younger lads a go than sign him

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It matters not a jot what you want as your not our manager thank god, but you are the worst kind of supporter though so I give you that.

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My sentiment exactly. He's 30 in 4/5 months. And he will cost an absolute minimum of £5m. That is money we can't afford to waste in our position. £5m on a 28 year old, in our position, is not worth it (unless his name is 'L. Messi') and could be all our funds gone (unless we sell) in return for probably 10 goals, give or take a couple.

Say he scores 11 goals like last season, it's not good enough. I'd rather we spend big, big money (generated from a sale or two) on a guaranteed 20 goal a season man, instead of signing an 11 goal a season man but being able to sign maybe 1 more player for a few mil.

This is very important we don't waste a single penny when we have the limited funds available.

Vellios, Jela, Vic, Kev (wing or st) are all players who given playing time and played in the right position will get a minimum of say 7-8 goals each. With one or two of them getting the same as Kone would do.

I have faith in RM. Talent in South America is very good and given we don't choose on of the big names, we could pick up the next 'star' for half the price of Kone.

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How does spending 20 mill guarantee 20+goals. you can spend 10 grand and get a surprise package who will get you 50 goals. who knows what's out there. I remember a arsrnal reject who ended up at Bristol City and Newcastle signed him for pennies. a certain mr Andy Cole. You don't have to play for top club to be a good striker

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It was their defence that got them relegated, not their striker

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Keith EFC, firstly you say he is 30 in 4/5 months, then go onto say he is 28? not possible! then you go onto talking about his 11 goals last season when it was 13, then go onto talking about a guarenteed 20+ a season striker, it was kones first season in the prem last season, I will take a 100 pound bet with you right now that he will get 18+ next season

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So what your saying is we take a chance on a south american for 5mil, get real that's worse than picking a striker who played well last year in a poor team, we desperately needed a striker last year in form

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Come on then manager of the month tell me how he improves us? Is he better than what we have got? IMO no. and steady lad calling me the worst sort of supporter! No need to get personal just my view. in my eyes your what's negative about everton all your concerned with is slagging people off and not even supporting. if he signs ill back him. just feel there is better younger stikers out therefor the same money

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I don't say he is 30 in 4/5 months, and then say he is 28. I mean that price on a 28 year old is bad in our position, let alone a 30 year old.

And I didn't say spending £20m will guarantee 20+ goals. I said I'd rather we spend £20m on a player who is known to get that amount of goals. I didn't say "spend £20m on any striker", I said "spend £20m on a guaranteed 20+ goal man. I said guaranteed, not any striker. No one is guaranteed, but previous history of 20+ suggests a better investment than 10 goals p/s.

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And I didn't say I prefer he look in SA for talent. I said the talent there is good and it is a possibility because RM likes taking players from that part of the world.

I would happily do that bet with you anonymous, but you didn't leave a name!

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Sorry but you shouldn't be so confident when you say "I bet you £100 right now that he will get 18+ next season", we all thought the same with Jelavic, Newcastle all thought the same with Pappis Cisse after good first seasons.

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Take a look at the scoring chart for last seasons premiership.

Kone 11
Jelavic 7
Anichebe 6

Kone was playing in a relegated team (not his fault) whilst Jela and Vic were playing in a team that came 6th.

Also take a look at the players who scored more goals than Kone and see how many of those you think we could buy for 5m

Martinez knows the guy inside out and knows if he's worth buying or not - he's not going to just waste money, buy rubbish and get the sack is he - he's going to be careful what he buys

Until he proves otherwise, I reckon Martinez is a good manager

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So Kone shouldn't take any of the resposibility for Wigan getting relegated?. Its funny that, cause he clearly thinks the same.

Kone and Everton sounds like a marriage made in heaven to me.

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01 Jul 2013 22:44:32
Ed, do you reckon Rooney will ever return to Everton? Even if it's when he's 32+ to end his career? {Ed025's Note - maybe then mate..

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Some may disagree but I don't want Rooney back after past games against us, kissed the man u badge in front of the Park End.

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Do you blame him for kissing the united badge? he's been getting s*** for years off so called evertonians who once loved him, not just him, his family has done aswell!

if you get offered a job to do exactly the same as you do now, but for a lot more wages and chances to succeed and win major prizes and to become one of the best in the country/world in your field, you'd snap the new employers hand off, its exactly the same in football and that is what rooney did! he left to furthur his career and to become one of the best in the world which I can't of seen him doing at everton!

he is a blue, his family are blues, i'll happily welcome him back

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Ye but singing you fat bar steward to him for the whole match what you exxpect, footballers and fans are fickle, kissing badges stating your love for the club soon changes, so in my eyes kissing the badge means nothing no different from over celebrating e. t. c

MikeDeBlue

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He's not an Evertonian, he has United at heart.

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In my warped mind, Iam not sure if its all a sinister ploy by Red Nose and his cronies. Ferguson insisted on Rooney completely severing his ties with us when he left declaring his undying love for all things Utd,, just as he insists Moyes does, and now Moyes wants Baines, despite alledgely agreeing to not chase our players.

Its the Man U way of doing things I think, no class, I do believe Rooney would kill to play for us again, just don't know when. He is still pure quality for me. PaddockNeil.

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02 Jul 2013 08:38:54
Mike you can't be serious in saying Rooney loves Utd more than Everton.

I loathed the guy at first for leaving but as the 3rd poster stated money and trophies talk. I would quit my job in a second if someone trippled my wages, that is whether I love my job/company or not.

I think 99. 9999 percent of Blues would have him back without a second though as deep down most of us still love blues even if they leave.

Bad news is it is not going to happen, what is he on now, apparently 250k per week, what could we offer, at a max I would say 100k, nobody and I mean nobody no matter how much they love something will move a job and lose 7.5 million quid a year, doesn't matter how much money you are on or have in the bank, money brings more greed.

Thats why I am glad I spend all my wages in 5 days and am skint for the other 25, none of us mere mortals would be happy with 100k per week, lol

Degsy

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01 Jul 2013 22:04:19
We must outbid Norwich for redmond he one for the future come on bill and martinez!ryanfromleic

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I'd rather we outbid norwich for leroy fer

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01 Jul 2013 20:48:15
if we can add honda, kone and a back up keeper i'd be made up not selling anybody either. team was good the start of last year but I think if we want jelavic on form again we need felli playing the deeper role with honda more foward.

MikeDeBlue

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Agreed mate would be made up with meself

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01 Jul 2013 19:37:56
my last post hasn't been put up so I guess in parts it was a little bit inappropriate maybe? but basically what has everyone got against kenwright? and do you have an opinion on him as a chairman ED? {Ed025's Note - i have posted it baru..

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I" m with bluebaru, we would be in deep s*** without BK have we forgotten agent johnson!
God knows Where we wouldve been without BK. And he is trying to sell to the right people. Why should he reduce hi SP you wouldn't chop thousands off your house or business market value
Alot of you need to get real

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He's a million times worse than Johnson. while he's trying to sell the club why dosent he appoint a half decent CEO. u like baru don't seem to understand he run a top English football club, in a era when the English premier league is the most powerful league in the world. are off field progress is abysmal r commercial progress is a joke. are we any closer to a new stadium no. he contradicts himself every time he opens his mouth. r u happy with the environment of mistrust that many fans have for him and every transfer window we wake up not to see who we've signed but who we might be losing. the mindset of some fans is were lucky not to be like Pompey Leeds or Blackburn, when we should be asking why aren't we competing with are peers like Liverpool arsenal spurs. u need to look at our history and not the history under bill kenwright, were u hear statements like he makes about moyes being one of our best managers in are history. I'm not havn that. look at the badge, he even tryed to get rid of our motto. mindset of medio

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To blue 60 and baru, how will u feel if kenwright sells baines.

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Whatever you think of Johnson he left us £20m in credit. Bill has somehow managed to turn that into £45m debt in the richest league in the world. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out he's a bad egg and not fit to run a bath let alone a Premier League club.

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Agree mate people on here don't like the facts. kenwright has never achieved any of his promises. the dangerous thing about him he loves the idea of running everton, and totally ignores the fact of his failures. he not fit to run the club. his legacy now is finding new owners, but is he really looking.

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I just put my head in my hands when people defend this clown who has made everton look like peasants in the richest league in the world, his failures are there for all to see, kings dock, (ringfenced), NTL, FSF, 3/4 interested parties included a bloke in a bedsit in manchester, never any money, no plan b, thinks by not taking a wage he is investing, well I don't take a wage from everton either does that make me an investor, when will people realise this buffon is running us into the ground, we have no assests, instead of owning finch farm we lease it paying back 6 times as much in the long term, peter johnson? yes please

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If baines does stay. fans of kenwright on here will be treating it as a major success when it should be the norm. and the promise of backing Martinez with major playerscwill be forgotten. that's how are chairman works. remember arteta, made the echo apologise on a quote concerning his sale, and promised we'd invest the money in jan. within months elstrone come saying money gone to banks and agents and other b*******. this is how we do are business and how they kid the fans. barefaced lies. anyone can see were waiting to sell before we buy,. it's not good enough.

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You guys don't have a clue. You talk about facts but don't give any.

The person praising Johnson. He left us 30m in the red. He sold our best player behind the managers back and run the club into the ground fighting relegation.

BK saved us. Has delivered us top ten finishes with last being sixth. I wish you lot would take the blinkers off and see that he does have the club at heart. I'm ashamed to call you fellow evertonians, I really am.

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BK didn't save us the man that just left us did, ok BK choose him but on the back of recamendations.

The biggest let down was the kings dock falling threw, a new stadium would have made us 5 times more appealing yet were stuck in a bit of limbo in that sense, were in the same position as many other clubs just off the champoins league, losing money and slowly getting deeper in the red.

MikeDeBlue

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Blue johns get off your high horse. at least johnson got out. kenwright is slowly killing this club of are ambition. his tenure needs to end, self righteous fans like u, who go about his blue blood and he's one of us and he listens to the fans. when he didn't listen over Kirkby. stopped the agms and don't say they were to hostile, he loves the sound of his own voice. it's because he had failed on every avenue of progress. u tell me were Weil be in 10 under this board, new stadium not a chance, still selling are best players. definitely. I hope he finds good new owners because he is fast becoming a man who will become like Peter Swales at city. fans don't trust him anymore

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BlueJohnUns-BK didn't save us at all. David Moyes saved us and gave us our pride back. If Bill had picked another Mike Walker or Walter Smith then we'd have gone down, no doubt about it. He took a huge gamble on Moyes and it paid off for him and bought him a lot of time. Now Bill's human shield is gone we're reliant on Bobby to deliver league placings the same as Moyes. If he doesn't then we will lose a hell of a lot more money with each league placing this coming season being worth £1.2m as opposed to £800 last season.

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Correction to the above *That's £800k*

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01 Jul 2013 19:08:40
Martinez will get jelavic scoreing again.

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He won't mate, he will sell him. Not physical enough and no pace. Two things that are a must for Bob.

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Agree with the first poster jelly will thrive under martinez and last poster not pyhsical enough did u not see how big he went last season the lad cuda sponsered greggs lol

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Didnt mean to av a go of jelly ed just tryin to prove a point that he is upto the prem but needs someone like martinez to get the best out of him

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Or dfs looked like he spent most his time on the sofa, I suppose knowing your place in the team is 90% there you don't need to worry

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01 Jul 2013 18:56:10
Lets not waste no more time on mentioning moyes let's get behind martinez

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01 Jul 2013 18:51:04
might be just me but I don't understand all the hatred towards kenwright, first of all if he hadnt of stepped in and bought the majority stake in the club all that time ago wed be in a far far worse position than we are in now guarenteed and not even debatable, then people moan he sold rooney, no he realised we had a huge asset and were in deep amounts of debt, so he sold rooney who everyone forgets wanted to go and cleared a big chunk of that debt and giving moyes enough money to build a new foundation for our club, arteta cahill etc etc since then we have kept doing the same thing selling for big money but re investing little by little wisely and slowly clearing small amounts of debt and each time there has been a big tv money come in we have used it, i. e 17 million for fellaini, look at our debt when he took over to our debt now, he had to clean up the mess from when we bought the likes of collins, dacourt, matterazzi etc, we had no money yet bought them anyway and slowly but surely he's helped to recover us, everyone needs to stop putting the blame on kenwright for not spending money, if he had board members whod also back his ideas and managers needs then we wouldn't have any problems, people go arrhhhh just sell up, who wants to buy a club that's worth 100 million, has 40 million plus debt and needs another 200 million for a stadium as ours won't last much longer, its actually close to 400 million to buy everton, that's why no one has bought us, because unlike city we didn't already have a stadium in place to just buy players, arsenal have done it right no money spent in 5 years but have now covered the cost of their new stadium and have a big war chest for this summer, we can't do that just yet till we clear debt, maybe if a few of you went the games against stoke, wigan, west brom, the turd teams at home and generated more money for us then wed be out of debt and spending more faster instead you have a large chunk of moaning arm chair fans who moan we won't spend nothing yet they won't spend 30 quid to go the game of a weekend yet are the first to ask about for derby tickets or city utd chelsea away etc, need to all stop with the doom and gloom and back the new manager, chairman and players we currently have, by all means i'm here for debate if someone has other ideas and can clarify why bill is a bad chairman? never heard you're opinion on bill before ED? bad chairman good chairman? am I wide of the mark? {Ed025's Note - i think he does his best for the club baru, he is an evertonian through and through, and even through adversity, and constant abuse by so called fans has always put the club first, even going to to the extreme of re-mortgaging his house twice to keep us afloat....the day may come when he gets fed up with the hassle of it all and sells out to a venkys type consortium, and who could blame him..

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Load of nonsense were in worse debt now than we was when kenwright took over. everything we once owned like training ground has been sold. the man is inept blAnked half the fan base over kirkby. his vanity got in the way of kings dock. commercially miles behind clubs who we should a head of. at least Johnson got out when he realised he couldn't take us forward. u need to look at cold hard facts without moyes wed be ****ed. every transfer window we sell are best players. the man may love everton but he's not up to the job. all u get is we could end up like Blackburn or Pompey. were been one of the best run clubs in England for a 100 years. absolute nonsense were the least spenders over the last 10 years in the prem and are still 45 mill in debt.

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Blue baru this fans who go home and away no matter what. the majority of the fans I know are proper fans who love everton, they don't trust bill. and feel as a board of everton they sit on there arses and do nothing. the facts are there. as a business we work at a loss. for ****s sake they were made up about the deal they've got on finch farm with the council, embarrassing . we've had enough of spiel, everton fans aren't fools.

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Not a debate so no one else could of done it? you making it sound like he made us stable and no one else could which is utter nonsense, he's done a good job but the sales of the likes of rooney, arteta, rodwell and lescott are the only reason were not deeper in the red

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Blue baru close yur eyes imagine it was a yank who bought everton when bill did and everton was run exactly the same way, would u think the same. there's a catalogue of disasters under his reign. many fans like me love are heritage and traditions and for a man who claims to be like us wes prepared to blank a fan base and take us out of the city, stop agms, as my grandfather says John moores would turn in his grave. these people have been watching everton for years and understand are stature as a club. they can't bear him. y. because he's a spiel merchant. u can't make people trust him if they don't. name me one business minded decision in his era that's has been successful.

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Wow, how naïve can you be? £20m in the black when he took over, now £45m in debt. NTL, FSF, Desperation Kirkby, Kings Dock etc etc. The man's a compulsive, pathological liar, If you like being treated like crap and lied to continuously feel free to continue to be treated like it. Some people have had enough of his lies and if he was over the park or wasn't an Evertonian he would have been run out of town years ago.
I could continue but I don't have all day to explain to you how gullible you are. The facts are there, all you have to do is look. He's an unequated disaster and the longer he's in charge with the other clowns the closer towards administration we come to. Don't think it can't happen to us because it can and will

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It's kenwright job to appoint and find dynamic people for the board. it's like the masons. it's a joke.

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Sorry I forgot to add on top of the NTL, FSF etc. , the training ground and kit deals. Training ground sold for around £10m and rented back at £75m over 50 years. Kit deal £3m per year and tied into a 10 year agreement which new owners/investors won't be able to renegotiate. Put that into context, Villa (a similar sized club)get around £15m. Liverpool get £25m per year. West Brom get more at £4m. We're the 4th most successful team in English football history and in an era where the premiership is awash with cash, the richest league in the world we're broke. Teams like Stoke, Cardiff, Swansea, Southampton can outbid us for players. It's a joke, and how anyone can defend him is beyond me. Ask yourself this 'if he wasn't an Evertonian, would we still accept him?' If your answer to that is yes, then you're in need of psychiatric assistance sharpish.

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We wernt in the black atall just research our club and you will see that but I guess there's quite a few points there that make me think yeah maybe he should walk away but at the same time if it wernt for billionaire owners ruining football I doubt wed be having to sell top players to keep going, whos out there with money and football knowledge to do a full takeover? the close you're eyes comment makes a lot of sense the guy who thinks we were in credit at the point of takeover is crazy, but yes our sponcership deals always seem to be 10% of other teams, ofc newly promoted teams can outbid us they get big bucks for coming up and live beyond their means to stay up

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So, is it fair to assume that you're not overly happy with him?

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Your missing the point. the people who run the club are totally inept. it's not about billionaire owners. it's about making the most of are great club. as a business we are totally underachieving. are CEO is out of his depth we have people on the board who contribute nothing. progress is curtailed because our chairman thinks that are model is good and many clubs envy us. they envied the job moyes done under the limitations of a board with no ambition.

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02 Jul 2013 09:20:38
Bluebaru, you need to do your research I'm afraid
When Kenwright took it over, we had a £20M net asset value on the balance sheet; today, because of selling assets and borrowing, we have net liabilities of £44M - but he's doing a great job because he's a blue.

In those debts, you won't find a penny owed to Kenwright or any other director. Bill may have mortgaged his house but it wasn't for anything to do with the club's finances.

Another piece of brilliant business was the proposed Park End development which couldn't proceed because of the charge on the ground the Prudential has. They weren't too happy that Everton attempted to sell the land to Williams Tarr for them to build and lease back the building.

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BlueBaru-how you can say ANYONE is crazy after posting the biggest load of nonsense nothingness is priceless.

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01 Jul 2013 18:43:48
Y r people bill bashing we all know he hasn't got money 2 burn with what money he does have going 2 b spent wisely and I for 1 will b supporting him all the way because why would rm come 2 a club with no money he knows r weakness so he will b lookin at the best players wa will improve us without spending loads on them iv got faith in him so if uv got no faith please leave your negative comments 2 urself we don't wanna heard them because if any1 who watched the Wigan game at home when ther battered us would know that rm knew wer it would hurt us so he knows wer 2 spend the money I can't wait till the 17tg aug c who we have and get this great football club on the next step up the ladder with attractive football we have been craving 4 years because b fair moyes never looked like the attacking sort always 2 defencive 4 me so let's get behind the board and rm and sing till we can't sing no more COYB ETID

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If bill can't afford to run the club like a football club should be run, then he should sell it to someone who can. I mean you wouldn't buy a porsche if you know you can't afford to fill it with petrol. but in kenwrights case case he would probably try fill it with water.

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Pidge, get a grip, there is no step up the ladder from where you are without a shed load of money. 6th is the best you can do.

As for Martinez joining, who else would have employed him?.

I feel sorry for Everton, I genuinely do. I grew up in the era of Southall, Reid, Sharp, Gray, Latchford etc. they were a great side. I mean no disrespect but without Moyes you would be no better than the Fulhams and Stokes of this world.

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English Translation:

Why are people bill bashing we all know he hasn't got money to burn with what money he does have going to be spent wisely and I for one will be supporting him all the way because why would Roberto Martinez come to a club with no money? He knows our weakness so he will be looking at the best players that will improve us without spending loads on them. I've got faith in him so if you've got no faith please leave your negative comments 2
to yourself we don't want to hear them because if anyone who watched the Wigan game at home when they battered us would know that Roberto Martinez knew where it would hurt us so he knows where to spend the money. I can't wait until the 17th of August to see who we have and to get this great football club on the next step up the ladder with the attractive football we have been craving for years because, be fair, Moyes never looked like the attacking sort, he was always to defensive for me so let's get behind the board and Roberto Martinez and sing till we can't sing no more COYB ETID

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01 Jul 2013 18:42:06
I once asked on here, why, with Lord granchester ( a muti millionier )and a major share holder, we did not turn to him for investment, even if it was just a debt for equity deal to get the bank off our back. Was informed that the reason Lord granchester would not invest was he & bill did not get on, well if that is the case, might I invite bill to eat a little humble pie and reach out to someone who really could make a difference in our ability to compete in the market. {Ed025's Note - granchester is as tight as a ducks arse mate, football clubs do not make a profit anymore, so he would tear it to pieces, and sell it off brick by brick..

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All the decent business men we've had, I've resigned or fell out with kenwright. birch, wyness and gregg. that's why we've got elstrone and why we' havnt got a penny. granchester is a successful man who likes us is blue, but won't go near everton while soft arse is there

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Wasn't it Birch who brought abramovich to chelski? And he lasted 5 minutes with us because he couldn't work with the amatuers we have at the club. If he'd stayed on who knows where we'd be now. But I guess we can thank Mr Kenwright for that.

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01 Jul 2013 23:15:25
I've heard lots of stories from good sources about how amateurish we are at all types of business. Since bill took over we have been looking for investment and new grounds, kings dock and kirby. To be honest he has failed badly and made everton look stupid. Kings dock would have been fantastic on the banks of the Mersey, but soft lad couldn't get the money for deadline day. Truth of the fact he never had it.

David moyes took the heat of BK, if RM has a bad start then BK will be in the s***.

Everton is not run properly and that is down to one man BK. if he can't run it or see the clowns doing the day to day business he should get shut of the likes of elstone!


Eric D

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01 Jul 2013 18:17:43
Waiting for Everton Signings is like a Saturday night at the Grafton in my younger days.

Getting a round in at 1am, getting back to the lads by 1:30am, only to realize your to late and all that's left on the dance floor.
Are the ones that have been around the block more times than an old Chopper bike, Or the ones that are so high maintenance you know you don't stand a chance.
So you put up with what you have got, and dreaming of what could have been.! {Ed025's Note - thats what i call a mis-spent youth biffy, but i used to love grab-a granny myself mate..:)

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01 Jul 2013 17:46:36
I've got a feeling it's going to be doom and gloom as an everton fan. Being linked with championship players not good enough. Bony, aubeymeyang, fer they are the sort of players we need to sign. All could end up at Swansea, Newcastle and Norwich. Everyone seems to be going forward but us {Ed025's Note - sorry..i dont do doom and gloom..

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Because Jags, Lescott and Cahill turned out so bad!

TC

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01 Jul 2013 17:41:49
Howard
Stones, Jagielka, Distin,

Coleman, Barclay, Gibson, Osman and Pienarr interchange (together not enough pace in team or power to defend) and Baines

Mirallas and Top forward
(Fellaini money well used)

We would all like Honda/Fer in there for midfield competition and playmaking purposes but even without them the above is not too shabby.
Oscar

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01 Jul 2013 18:53:43
Why do people misspell our players names? Its barkley not barclay and pienaar not pienarr {Ed025's Note - its not an english language forum skittle, so long as we know who they mean, i dont see it as a major issue mate..

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01 Jul 2013 20:30:08
I instantly regretted posting that as soon as I posted it mate just seemed pointless and I do know who they mean just not been in the best of moods today and I find myself moaning at the smallest things apologies op {Ed025's Note - we all get them days skittle..

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01 Jul 2013 17:04:25
Every year we wait with baited breath for our board to kick on and attack the transfer window like demons!
Alas after BK and his chums sit around the board room table with their empty piggy banks. It drives me mad.
Lots of players that club have been scouting for an age are going to clubs like Cardiff and Norwich.
They might not be RM choice but the names I'm hearing were linked to makes me feel sick!


Bill open your wallet the clowns on the board who won't dip into the pockets then get shut off them?!

Eric D

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Kenwright do one your killing our club {Ed025's Note - sigh..

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Lets all be jealous of who Norwich and Cardiff sign hey,

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With u Eric are board are useless

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Ed u need to be abit more understanding about fans views on kenwright. u may find them boring, we found his actions or lack of actions a major concern. abit of leadership wouldn't go a miss rather Thame utter b******* that comes out of his mouth,. don't sell baines {Ed025's Note - the thing is mate..he has not sold him!..if he does, and does not re-invest the money on new players, then you might have a point!...until then..keep the faith..

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Are board. bill kenwright crazy rubbish artist. Jon woods got the worst tache, should be lashed of board 4 that alone. Robert earl the less said about him the better. Robert elstrone reminds me of elton johns fella. useless {Ed025's Note - not a fan then?.. :)

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There's not much dynamics there mate. could all throw in for a razor get rid of woods muzzie. could be proved wrong but a recent history of there actions tell me otherwise, won't forgive if they sell baines

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01 Jul 2013 16:16:59
i think losing chris woods is a massive loss for us, he's been with us since 1998, and its going to be hard to replace him

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Are you joking? He's awful!

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He's a gk coach for gods sake

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01 Jul 2013 16:51:47
Yeah he did great with Paul Gerard, Steve simonsen and John ruddy the better keeper we let go the other two were gash!

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01 Jul 2013 21:46:14
who on earth put he's awful, this is the man who is usa's goalkeeping coach, the same coach that has just took up a role at the worlds biggest club in manchester united, if people don't realise that everton fc have lost a major part of our coaching staff then they don't anything about football

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Only trouble with woods as a keeper coach, is that it took him 10half years to teach howard how to come for crosses

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So woods is a great goalkeeping coach? so why the hell can't howard come for crosses? why doesn't he shout and make his defence known he is there? why does he make so many terrible little mistakes? good ridence to woods

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01 Jul 2013 16:05:52
What's the desperate urge to sign a new striker? We have Jelavic who was originally a goal machine before we started playing hoofball to Fellaini. I think, with Martinez we will be playing much better, passing, attacking football and hopefully we will see Jelavic back to his best. Our priority signings should definatly be a Quality CM and a CB (Although I think Johnny would thrive in a back 3, should we play that under Martinez, it might be a bit much to ask Sylvain to play every week)

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Yeah I mean after all Distin does have his milkman duties to juggle as well. {Ed025's Note - love it mate..

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Sorry forgot to sign in for my reply cheers Ed.

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01 Jul 2013 16:01:36
im sold on the idea of kone myself, obviously I would prefer a benteke or a rooney but you have to be realistic, I think if we had someone with his pace last year in the final 3rd he would of scored a good few goals, jelavic my come good but I counted 4times he completely missed the ball in the box last year and he was constanly offside, if he fixes these problems we should have two decent strikers with anichebe there incase of injury problems

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What pace?

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01 Jul 2013 20:32:06
The pace he used to sprint past heitinga and set up di santos goal at the dw last season

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What pace, he walked threw us last year and none of are fowards have the pace to do that unless you put super kev up top, the reason jelavic is offside so much is he knows he needs the extra

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Skittle, nothing you can tell me about Kone, I watched him 40 times last season. You seen him how many times?

I watched him bully centre halves, I will give you that. He can hold a ball up, but in a foot race he is hardly Carl Lewis. As for out pacing Heitinga. i'm not even going to bother responding to that. Awful first touch, and doesn't lift his head up. Still when you lay out the 5 million, you will see that for yourself.

Kone. Top 6 material. not in this life i'm afraid.

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02 Jul 2013 00:06:11
No tbh I havn't seen him outpace many others but its the same with walcott we know he is fast but he very rarely knocks the ball past people and chase it down rather just falls over and kicks it at the goal kone has pace and in a foot race he would beat any of our players apart from mirallas and distin maybe coleman he has a few tricks a powerful long range shot and is good with both feet but for you to think kone doesn't have much pace is silly top 15 in terms of speed
Walcott
Lennon
Walker
Bale
Mirallas
Distin
Remy
Townsend
Navas
Miyaichi
Are the only players off the top of my head who I can think of as being faster but tbh it doesn't matter whether he is hardly a jordan lewis but he is hardly a per mertesacker either good player imo better than some of the players on that list too pace isn't everything look at falcao or van persie? Hardly usain bolt are they?

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All about opinions skittle, and respect to yours. All we can do is pay our money and get behind our players. Clearly Kone will be at Goodison next season, let's hope you still have the opinion he is a good player then.

Good luck for next season mate.

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01 Jul 2013 15:56:05
Sky say united have signed Steve round, jimmy lumsden and Chris woods. There goes some of our best staff, David wire gone as well mind {Ed025's Note - they have...no big loss IMO..

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Who's David wire? {Ed025's Note - we all know he meant weir

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01 Jul 2013 15:37:20
If we sold baines an fellaini I wouldn't mind seeing this team run out to z cars

Howard
Coleman jags ogbonna coentrao
Belhanda gibson honda
Mirallas chadli
Aubameyang

Defo top four imo

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01 Jul 2013 15:42:40
Belhanda has gone to dynamo kiev, ogbonna is wanted by arsenal and inter milan and would cost at least 12m and coentrao will cost over 16m

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Rip the soul out the team, top 10 team in IMO

MikeDeBlue

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Replace ogbonna with douglas and belhanda euth fer then cheaoer option

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There's no way you'd afford that.

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Loads of belhandras on here today {Ed025's Note - :)

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01 Jul 2013 14:55:35
Just for fun everyone - what's the closest we could get to a decent full team of either 1. Everton supporting players or 2. localish/scouse born lads or 3. lads who've passed thru the youth team

so for starters we'd have Rooney, Osman, Hibbert, Barkley, Baines, (Joey Barton! :)

maybe Hibbo and Osman getting too old now but what's the best team of scouse/evertonians we could either play now, or in say 4 years time if this was a 'project' to beat the boredom of the Premiership just being a sewn up money game - instead build a team of proper 'Evertonians' that were playing for love not money and that the fans would love.

any ideas?

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Hibbo his day had passed. But Ossie was borned last season.

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01 Jul 2013 13:52:00
Hi Ed how close are we to signing Kone? {Ed025's Note - im not sure time wise mate, but we are making moves..

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01 Jul 2013 14:35:14
Right, I'm not ITK and have no idea who we are signing and do not think Rooney is coming back this season at all, but I just had a thought, picture us selling fellaini and bringing in negredo and cm, And then doing a swap deal with baines going and Rooney coming back, just imagine our strike force! Don't get me wrong I'd be gutted if baines left but just picture shrek and negredo up front with mirallas bombing it down the wing.

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Swap felli not Baines

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Keep dreaming mate.

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If ever ther was a time and moment for bill kenwright to win over his critics at everton its now. keep Leighton Baines no matter how much the mancs offer. everything that is good about everton is epitomised in Baines, humble hardworking, brilliant player, we love him and he loves us. sell him are team won't be as strong. sell him what message will that send out. keep him everything would be a positive.

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01 Jul 2013 14:22:09
Bill kenwright if you let baines go please bring Rooney home as part of the deal we know he only wants to come back and win everton a trophy

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If we want to win trophies we keep players like baines, quality, not a pre madonna, plays at a high level consistantly, we are worse off without him. with or without wayne

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Rooney won't come back to Everton, and if you want trophies you need a double decker bus full of cah. END OF

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01 Jul 2013 12:39:41
Wigan have signed a center back, Thomas rogne from Celtic must be a replacement for Alcaraz!

L4 4EL

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Yeah because they've released him

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Do your homework at least, Rogne turned down a new contract at Celtic in favour of joining FA Cup winners Wigan.

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Love it not championship wigan nive sidestep

MikeDeBlue

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The championship is a better league than the spl so it is a step up for rogne

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01 Jul 2013 12:34:48
Have we bid for Honda? are we interested in Honda? as I have heard nothing official from Everton would like him here but can't see this one happening. Does anyone know Martinez's real targets rather than Wigan players its all lazy journalism.

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01 Jul 2013 11:48:56
Moyes taking back room staff. have um! Am looking forward to this new season. new kit new manager new players new prospects.

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01 Jul 2013 11:38:50
So, of the 20 Premier League clubs 13 (Aston Villa, Chelsea, Fulham, Hull, Liverpool, Manchester City, Manchester United, Norwich, Southampton, Stoke City, Sunderland, Swansea and West Ham) have now signed players ahead of the new season. Of the remaining 7, 2, Arsenal and Tottenham, are widely reported to be closing in on at least one big name signing and 1, Hull, has actually had bids for a couple of players accepted.

That leaves 4 clubs (Crystal Palace, Newcastle, WBA and ourselves) as the least active in the market.

Now I know that not all signings are good signings but it would take a very blinkered fan to assume that none of the transfer activity that has so far taken place has strengthened any of the teams involved.

So my questions are: 1) at what point are we justified in voicing a concern at this situation without descending into the usual pro/anti Kenwright slanging matches and 2) what (if anything) can we as fans do to change a pattern that consistently undermines us whilst continuing to support the team that will run out at Carrow Road on August 17th? {Ed025's Note - roberto has only been in the job for 12 hrs...give him a break, im sure he will do the business..

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01 Jul 2013 12:16:38
Will you guys have some patience, Martinez started work today and is meeting staff, players etc before pre=season training begins. His priority will be bringing backroom staff in, keeping Felli and Baines, deciding on who he will let go, Heitinga, Anichebe, Naismith I hope and deciding his priority targets to buy. I would guess that we have made a bid for Honda and would be following this up. I reckon Alcaraz and maybe Kone is in the pipeline as well as Raymond.
Wellzee

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Hi Ed, I was actually quite careful not to knock Martinez, as this pattern certainly pre-dates him. It's also worth noting that Utd, City, Chelsea and Stoke all have mangers that only officialy started today, but have managed to get signings in already.

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IT IS JULY 1, the transfer window has just opened. Relax. Let Martinez settle in, have a good look at the players first hand, then assess what he needs.

We have 1 and a half months before our first game, patience, there will be business done this summer.

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Martinez hasn't met his players yet. What's the point in signing a centre mid if he falls in love with Barkley when he sees him train and deems him good enough for the first team. The attitude of signing anyone for the sake of it is what causes teams like qpr to fail. We'll sign people when the manager decides where we need to strengthen and who he can sell or let go

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RM has to take a bit more time, I think he realises that funds are limited and the right players are essential, also he needs to know what players are leaving before he targets certain players

MikeDeBlue

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Transfer window opened this morning, doesn't close for another 2 months, martinez officially took over this morning

give it a rest, impatient or what? would you rather he took his time to bring in some quality or just signed an easy option right now?

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01 Jul 2013 11:08:45
Not that I am sorry to see the back of them, but will we be conpensated for the staff that have join unt? {Ed025's Note - i think we should give them money, for taking them off our payroll.. :)

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01 Jul 2013 15:39:36
You not a fan of round or woods ed? {Ed025's Note - i thought woods was ok skittle..but round was too defensive for my liking, he stifled players who had flair, and was more interested in hard workers than gifted players for me mate..

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01 Jul 2013 10:02:44
Ed how long is this deal with kit bag just been in Everton shop no kits for
Under fours had to buy my eight month
Old a blag kit sold to me buy everton
This is taking the piss have still got my
Five year olds kit from when he was the same age made by le coq sportif it had all the detail as the adult one also training gear starts 6 to9 yr olds surely
We are missing out here but most of all
Are kids are missing out {Ed025's Note - its a 10 yr deal mate, and you are not the first to complain about availability of kids kits, they do need to get their act together..

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The kits are supplied by Nike not Kitbag. Kitbag sell them on our behalf. If you want to complain, complain to Nike.

What I would say is Nike are a pain in the ars* and always have issues with Kids kits which I used to experience when working in the sports retail industry.

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Bad thing is nike make the england kit in full detail in infants sizes but cba to do the same for us, le coq sportif were spot on with the infants kits! i'm glad everton are going to sell kits in infants sizes this year, my nephew is only 8 months old and for last xmas I had to buy him the black and pink kit from a few seasons ago off ebay! nike are missing out on a lot of business with the infants kits because i'll be buying my nephew the home and the away kits this year and if we have a 3rd that too!

i hope the money from these infants kits goes straight into the club and not to nike/kitbag

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01 Jul 2013 10:22:33
Oh no Steve Round has gone what will we ever do without him {Ed025's Note - love it clarkey..

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I had a tear in my eye earlier when I learnt of the news he was leaving. I felt sorry for the united fans

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01 Jul 2013 09:12:38
OK - tough question - we all love Baines - but if our left back is our best attacking threat, then doesn't that say there's something wrong?

If you had a choice of a 18m (?) for Baines which was spent straight away on a proven classy forward who would guarantee you 20 goals a season would you not take it?

We're struggling badly with just Vic and Jel up front - we definitely need a good striker

so for me - I would love us to keep Baines - but if he goes and we get a top striker instead, then I won't be completely gutted

best option is to keep baines and add the good forward as well - but if its an either/or then I'm not sure what I'd choose

look at it the other way around as well - if we already had the 18m forward who was banging them in (and did not have Baines) - who would argue on here that he (the striker) should be sold and a brilliant left back be bought instead?

The problem is - buying a striker that we're not sure will work - but for 18m you're going to get a proven guy.

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There are no guarantees based on price - Torres/Carroll for example. Personally, I'd rather keep Baines and rely on RM finding us a decent striker to get on the end of his crosses.

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And as a follow up to first post - we know the Baines Pienaar threat has been one of our best attacking options in previous seasons - but Pienaar was not that effective last season - the 'bainaar' threat was not what is used to be - baines still great - but Pienaar has to up his game again or be 'looked at' for me personally

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Strikers are only as good as their supply we could have RVP but if he did not get any decent balls to him than I doubt he would score shed loads. If you look at Baines creativity then you are probabbly looking at having to buy a decent LB and LM plus Striker I just don't think 18m would get you that. Any way I thought we have tried the "tried and tested striker" option in the past and we just seem to break them. Beattie Johnson the Yak and Jelly to name just a few.

SA90

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Keep our best players, end off! especially if they want to stay!agree we need a striker to boost the squad! but let's wait and see what the future holds with bainesy in bobby, s new style and see what it holds before wee give in and sell! if we do sell, then our board are a joke and we will always be a selling club with no ambition with them in charge! the time for ambition is here! new manager, new begining!

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Sometimes strikers are not as good as their supply - Jelavic was getting some decent ball last season and he was so woeful with his shooting he looked like a bad amateur

one particular shot he took, it almost hit the corner flag, and many shots were mis*** - even worse than a bad pub player - something's wrong there when timing is that far off

and Vic is a kind of one trick pony - strong lad who holds off well - but psychologically he doesn't believe in himself so he panics and tries too hard to score - never takes his time, relaxes and just picks his spot -

then he gets frustrated with himself again and does that spoilt kid routine of whacking the ground or pulling hacked off face

if only we could just get a decent forward like a defoe or michu etc - not 'top drawer' as we can't afford that, but someone from next drawer down

how long has it been since we had a good striker who stayed around a few years?

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Great play oviedo left back and lose all our attacking football down the left, i'm all for a really good striker but u lose somrthing more by selling are best player

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