Everton Banter Archive June 01 2016

01 Jun 2016 19:51:20
Right lads can we all just please agree to disagree on Moyes. There's 2 camps those who see what he done as success and those who see it as failure. No matter what camp you are in it is the past so let's leave it there. I for one am looking forward to a new dawn at Everton and will be waiting patiently for the next era to begin.

{Ed025's Note - never mentioning him ever again would work for me gray..

01 Jun 2016 20:11:06
That would be ideal ED025 but I was trying to be fair haha.

{Ed025's Note - i know mate i just could,nt help myself.. :)

01 Jun 2016 20:26:07
Who u talking about.

01 Jun 2016 20:37:19
your wrong Blue, I see what he done as success but he is a nob, agree to disagree, last time I comment on him, also why we are here, let's put Roberto to bed too, in tge past.

01 Jun 2016 20:49:40
I was grateful for the stability in the first instance Murf and was grateful for the break from relegation nightmares. Just now it's in the past the same as Bobby is. I'm all for a bit of banter or debates but the old Moyes was the Messiah and he left us with a better side when he left compared to Martinez I just can't agree with. Just feel we need to move past it and look forward to exciting times ahead.

01 Jun 2016 20:54:52
Still talking about him 😂😂.

01 Jun 2016 21:04:39
Damn! Got me there Pb. Promise now that is the last time. Do feel we are on for something special in the future with Moshiri's ideas. Not quite on the grand scale of Man City but hopefilly enough to have us competing at the top table.

01 Jun 2016 21:33:26
Got u about what 😂😂.

02 Jun 2016 07:54:12
Who are you all talking about?

02 Jun 2016 08:55:33
. . . And if I see him in the street I promise to turn me head and whistle.

02 Jun 2016 09:08:55
At the time of his appointment Moyes was a promising young manager, he came on board to steady the ship and work with limited resources, the board were very patient and slowly he turned things around and put us in a much improved league standing. however at the end when HE decided to leave to further his career with a bigger club, it was also as far as he could take us, also the quality of the football was very much in question.
Although now our fortunes have changed he was not a success at Manchester United where he had a larger pot of funds available or in spain.
I'm not sure why posters think bringing him back would now be an improvement? We need to look forward and think bigger if we are to become a club that can challenge in the league!

02 Jun 2016 09:22:04
Wakka you just ruined it mate, you started talking about him again ha ha.

02 Jun 2016 09:27:30
Good post Wakka, who the hell are you on about though??

02 Jun 2016 09:30:50
just responding to the pro Moyes posters Blue247, i'm getting bored of the bring Moyes back lobbyists!

02 Jun 2016 09:41:51
Whoever this Moyes bloke is Wakka, I just don't like the sound of him ;)

02 Jun 2016 12:04:36
What's going on 😂😂😂😂 I knew blue would give in 😂😂 anyway. Murff who was you on about.

01 Jun 2016 18:20:22
I know we need to do it right but give me something please, doing me head in 😂😂😂😂.

01 Jun 2016 13:03:04
just watched a you tube clip of barkley using a inhaler for his breathing it was in the tunnel may have been at wembley but not sure but may be why he wasint at his best all season he may have asthma although we all know the reason why he was crap it was brown shoes who has ruined him.

01 Jun 2016 18:24:52
i wouldn't say a pass completion of 86% and a take on success of 68% was crap. people forget he is a kid. A kid that was mismanaged yes, but people are way to hard on him and give him too much stick.

01 Jun 2016 18:53:17
He wasn't crap. He put in one of the most productive seasons by an everton midfielder since the 80's. Look back over the history books and see when the last time an Everton midfielder scored 12 goals and got 8 assists and it will surprise you.

01 jun 2016 19:20:56
easy guys take a chill pill, i am not saying he is crap i am saying by his standerds he was crap. and by the way i like ross so let's get that straight so you can quote all the facts you like but if you were honest you would admit he was crap and more would agree than disagree so you look at your history books and you will find i am right. pedro yuo said he was miss managed so you must have thought he wasnt all that good either. its ok quoting pass completions but why don't you quote miss placed passes there were hundreds fact.

01 Jun 2016 19:57:42
Royalpaul, you are foolish, he has his best season for us both in assists and goals and you want to talk about his misplaced passes.
Its so easy playing football from the stands or on tv and totally different on the pitch, what may look like an easy pass on tv, might not be so obvious in the moment.

01 Jun 2016 20:04:11
Bit contradictory paul. His stats for goals and assists last season show that it was his most productive in a blue shirt so, by his standards, that would suggest he wasn't crap to me. Not many players, if any, have had great seasons so look at the positives. If Ross can score that many goals and have that many assists in a damp squid of a campaign, imagine what he could be capable of in a well managed team?

{Ed025's Note - fair point spud..

01 Jun 2016 20:15:55
How can he have hundreds of misplaced passes when his pass completion was 86%? Doesn't make sense and even if it was 1000 passes that went awry, that still makes him a great passer of the ball. I say he was mismanaged because he clearly played too much football for a lad his age and with the boo boys on his back. He needed a rest here and there but wasn't given it. I can understand why the likes of him let their heads dropped getting slated and booed week in week out. Some fans need to have a chat with themselves and stay away from Goodison if that's all they can do.

01 Jun 2016 21:53:57
why would i need to stay away from goodison. if you read my last post i did say i like ross which means i am not one of those that boo him "even when he has been crap " and don't give me that old line TOO MUCH FOOTBALL utter trash, the lad is 21 or 22 he is a beast of a lad, fit as a fiddle they are well looked after with sports scientists and nutrition experts so there is no excuse imagine telling reidy, sharpy etc. that they were not picked because they are playing too much football.

they would laugh in your face and back then they werent looked after like the little babies are now. anyway i stand by what i said. it's my opinion and you have yours. oh yes and your stats do they include little side way passes that go nowhere.

01 Jun 2016 22:49:07
Back then, as you put it, football was nowhere near as demanding as it is now. Half the players from the 80's and 90's wouldn't even cope with the demands of the modern game. Whiteside, Gascoigne, McGrath - all players that infamously played when bevvied!

In your original post, you said that he was crap and that Bobby had "ruined" him. Now do make your mind up what you are actually trying to say? Are you standing by saying he was crap or not crap? You've even managed to slate him in your last post toward the end after saying that he wasn't crap, I'm confused. Make your mind up.

I didn't actually state that you personally had booed him. If you took the time to read what I said, you'd see that I was talking about a certain type of fan that sits at Goodison constantly booing and moaning. Why go there if you're that type of fan? Pisses me off having to listen to the same guys every week with there heswall accent and their bovril moaning and whinging and then analysing the match like they're Andy gray. Your attitude in your original post suggests that you share their ire towards some players - players who are unfairly criticised and they suffer - hence the need to rest them.

And yes, opinions are like a@seholes - everyone has got one but some are full of crap.

01 Jun 2016 22:57:54
Pass rate means nothing, been many a time I've seen him and McCarthy pass it to and from 5 times, 10 times a game, think that would have a big influence on pass rate. Like all the everton players that done the most passes per game out the whole prem, all defenders to defenders and midfielders to defenders and back. Statistics are rubbish.

01 Jun 2016 22:58:48
The stats that count are the 12 goals and 8 assists. If you knew your history you would know in the most important part of his role he had an outstanding season and not bettered in the last 30 years!

Some people want the earth.

01 Jun 2016 23:21:12
Well said BlueJohn.

Bestyrne is another moaning type fan who thinks it's perfectly acceptable to get on the players and managers back because he pays his money and is a customer.

My final word - Barkley is a great player and had a really good season in a poor side that flattered to deceive. He would have done a lot better had he not had to put up with negative nonsense from large sections of the crowd at Goodison. I'd hate to see him leave, but would be delighted if the majority of those "fans" never showed their face at the ground again.

02 Jun 2016 01:20:08
Behave pedro ya crank, did I moan or get on anyone's back? no! do believe i talked about statistics being codswollops?

And yes I do and will get on players and managers backs If they don't perform, cause yes I do pay my hard earned money to watch these 'professional sports men' who are paid millions a year, to do there job and try there hardest week in and week out. I get not near a fraction they get and if I didn't do my job I would expect people to get on my back. They are in a privelaged position and we owe them no favours. As soon as a bigger pay packet comes the majority will move on, were will there devotion to you 'who wraps them in cotton wool and accepts substandard performances from millionaire so called professionals' be?

You must sit there and clap when a home goal goes in, so forgiving you give Gandhi and mother Teresa a bad name!

02 Jun 2016 08:04:42
Calm down boys. We are all Blue! We all want the same thing (Moyes excepted) but it is emotional times! You lot sound like Swan and me in full debate lol X.

01 Jun 2016 14:59:09
I've just been reading all the articles on this page, it's great to see such positive things being put for a change, Ed I no we are as stupid as each other when I comes to writing thing we think we now about running a club, but your in site is very reassuring, and at the moment life is looking very rosy for our great club, keep up the good work.

{Ed002's Note - I think the future looks good in the big scheme of things - but it will take a great deal of hard work.}

01 Jun 2016 17:15:33
And I hope every Everton knows that it will not happen over night we are in a process of changing the club and it doesn't just take a season it will take a fair few and results might not even be the best straight away so can we all just get behind the club for once and make fahrad proud to be involved in this club.

{Ed025's Note - well said eddy..

01 Jun 2016 11:58:11
The stories in the media (and that's all they are at the moment: stories) about Mr Moshiri wanting a European-style structure of Sporting Director and Head Coach are interesting.
Many fans like Everton being a family club, the people's club, a club that uses former players (e. g. Unsworth, Royle, Ferguson, Sheedy, Ebbrell, etc. ) as coaches and others (Sharp, Snodin and Stuart) as ambassadors. The directors - like Kenwright and Woods - are known to be lifelong fans of the club.
All of the above creates a very strong and emotional bond with the fanbase. Perhaps we need to move on from those old parochial feelings and instead embrace a new professional winning mentality - and Mr Moshiri (and the names he could be hiring) seem to be the people to do just that.
How do others feel about what some may think of as 'the club losing its soul"? My view is that sentiment - while warm and cosy - is not conducive to being a winner - but what the heck do I know :-)

01 Jun 2016 12:36:23
Maybe able to have the best of both if the backroom staff working under them are part of the Everton family.

01 Jun 2016 13:03:55
sa90: but what if the Sporting Director decided to clear out all of the current coaching, scouting, recruitment, development and academy staff? I'm not saying that would happen - it would surely be way too disruptive, especially if done immediately - but would you be concerned if other professionals (non-Evertonians) were brought in over the course of time if they were deemed better - or do you want to have only lifelong Evertonians (even if inferior) working at the club? If you HAD to choose, which we would you go?

01 Jun 2016 13:18:13
I agree Cowpat. Must move with the times or we'll get left behind. The sad reality now is its a business just as much as it is football if not more. Not that I agree with that but I just want Everton to be successful.

01 Jun 2016 13:23:31
Ok I may be a bit old fashioned but I feel that the club should keep its links with the passed. People like Unsworth and Sheedy do very good jobs coaching at the club, and surely do not fix it if it ain't broke.
Also Joe Royal and the others are an important part of the club and have a lot to give I feel.
If we did get Emery as manager we know he likes to work with a sporting director so it is ok, but equally so if we get a manager who does not want a sporting director then why have one for the sake of it.
As far as I know there is no evidence in this country that it brings more success. An example of this is Koeman at Southamton he will not have a sporting director and controls the transfares himself and doing well. So if we got Koeman then there would be know point in a sporting director.
Surely the manager should make these decisions as the buck stops with him. Change for the sake of it cannot be good.

01 Jun 2016 13:41:28
I know which way I would go Sid, no place for sentiment so if a choice out of being a nice club and not winning or ruthless business practices resulting in an open top bus (so want one of these) then book the bus now.

01 Jun 2016 14:35:39
It all depends on the quality of people in place. When we won trophies in the 80's and 90's they were both former players.

We've moved away from former players and not won anything since. If it was a plain black and white thing then a move back to former players in the management area would be the way to go.

Me I don't think it matters two hoots as long as they are the right people for the job but former players don't do a bad job. Zidane has just brought the CL home for Real.

One thing I would say is that in my opinion Martinez did bring in inferior people and we had much better in Stubbs and Unsworth who could have done a better job than the clowns he brought in.

01 Jun 2016 14:51:25
The club needs to progress but I still think its important to keep the identity of EFC. For me it would be best person for the job but if there was only very little difference between candidates then pick the Toffee.

01 Jun 2016 17:20:01
Interesting post Sid. I'd say, if we are to move forward as a club, the board must do whatever it takes to build for future success. There is no room for sentiment unless a person is well qualified for a job within the management structure. If an ex player is a very good coach then we should keep or employ them but not take or keep them on just because they have played for the club. The likes of Unsworth has proven his worth with the work he has done with the U21's and should be allowed to continue in his role. It is nice to have a link like that but it is not imperative. But I do think that the club will continue to have ex players working in some capacity, people that the fans can identify with.

{Ed025's Note - i agree with all that spud..

01 Jun 2016 11:19:23
monchi and emery wants to work together in premier league, that's it there's your manager and director. that's the hint of what's happening, no other premier club big enough they could go to.5/ 2 , £50 on.

01 Jun 2016 12:10:21
Fax it's even shorter than that mate 9/4 with bookies.

01 Jun 2016 09:27:11
If we are being honest this club is should come with a warning about how bad for your health it is. I have been a fan from the day I was born and it's almost killed me many times but the love I have for this club makes all the crap and pain we have been through make us a club that it and its fans have paid our dues. If it's for bad man management or some idiot put money from one of his clubs to the other and for some fans Bill not finding us investment/ selling club sooner. Even after all that this club will always by first love.

To quote a great man

I am Everton ( Tony Bellew )

01 Jun 2016 09:36:36
Bit of passion on a cloudy Wednesday morning, love it.

01 Jun 2016 04:16:54
Intrigued by the Director of Football vs Manager debate.
A natural separation would be:
Manager is responsible for the first team squad of 25 players, and all player-related issues with that squad.
Preparation for each game, including pre-game scouting of opposition.
First team coaching; including player development and tactics for next games.
And also defining to the Director of Football what he needs to ensure he is successful - new players, facilities etc.
Director of Football is responsible for identification and scouting of potential new players, and the staff who do that across the world.
Player's contracts and negotiations with agents.
Normally also responsible for the Academy, including the coaching program, staff, facilities.
The Under 21 or reserve team, coaching staff, leagues and tournaments they would play in.
The role that Joe Royle has done so effectively - relations with Championship and League clubs to ensure our developing players get placed for loans and player development at the right club at the right time.
The medical, fitness or sports science departments; personnel, equipment, philosophy.
The types of pre- and post season training camps, games, tournaments the team wants to play in.
Acting as an intermediary, on behalf of the first team manager, to the CFO, the Commercial Director, the Board.

These are both big and broad roles. Plenty of room for two very capable experienced people. Critical issue is that the two people filling the roles work very well together. Critical that both people realize that is the first teams success, winning games, that really counts; the Director of Football is the more 'senior' role, but is usually only successful if the first team coach is successful.

Personally, I believe that Martinez biggest failing was that he became so focused on building out the 'greater Everton dream' - initiatives that should now fit in the Director of Football role like new sleeping rooms at Finch Farm, US Olympic coach running the academy etc, that he forgot to concentrate on doing what was needed to win next week's game.
In today's Premier League a big club needs someone focusing solely on that group of 25 players and the next game.

Monchi and Emery; Overmars and De Boer; even maybe Overmars and Koemann; Monchi and Pellegrini. but we need two people, not one.

01 Jun 2016 18:49:08
US Olympic coach? As the team were woefully unfit, I take it that US is a shortened version of useless.

01 Jun 2016 00:24:40
Sky sports News reporting that although Monchi wants to leave Seville they won't let him and say he will honour his contract until 2020.another twist!

01 Jun 2016 07:49:38
Brian,
Well the the Spanish buy out clauses means he can leave when ever he likes, but because the Spanish tax rate is like 52% it means you have to actually pay more than double what the actual buy out is. Everton let's say fingers crossed. Pay Monchi or Emery or even both the money (like I said more than double the actual price) the take it down to the LFP Liga Primera Football and things are done.

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