Everton Banter Archive November 01 2017

 

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01 Nov 2017 21:27:39
We all have our own views on the new manager, but, ed 25, when are we likely to see white smoke over the boardroom.

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{Ed025's Note - not any time soon i suggest JCW..

02 Nov 2017 09:27:01
At least not unless it smells of new mown hay, JCW100.

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01 Nov 2017 21:31:08
Just banter, but.

What manager worth a grain of salt is available at a time like this?


Who would leave a job in mid-season from a top half PL club or top of the table Championship club) to take on relegation fodder (a blossoming dumpster fire) that is Everton?

What proven and successful PL experienced manager is currently unemployed at this time? The good ones tend to hold down a managerial job.

Yeah, Mr. Mo could throw a ton of dough and see if some Joe with give it a go. but they'd be here for only the dough and rain or shine they'd just blow off to the another show next year (like RK was planning) .

(Rhyming humour is a sign of football desperation)

Heck, just give the job to Big Sam. He has experience, he keeps teams up, and then we can find the next great successful manager next time. And he fails, we can just add to the list of teams that let him go.

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01 Nov 2017 23:28:34
Good post New Blue in the U.

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01 Nov 2017 19:44:23
Hearing the board are at loggerheads. Split in two. One half want Unsworth the other Dyche or Allardyce. Wow so excited at times ahead. NOT!

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01 Nov 2017 20:41:34
Rubbish. Don't believe everything you read in the papers. One man makes the final decision, whether the rest of the board like it or not.

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01 Nov 2017 20:48:54
Not from some rag. Fact.

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01 Nov 2017 20:50:27
Oh and the half means Kenwright wants Unsworth as do the players while Moshiri wants Dyche.

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01 Nov 2017 21:02:42
So what. Are you surprised? I change my mind almost every day on who it should be. It’s not unusual for there to be a difference of opinion within the club. As long as they agree in the end. That’s all that matters. And of course that the new manager gets us the league and cup double. Like Unsy says, if it’s mathematically possible then you’ve got to go for it.

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01 Nov 2017 21:04:35
And there lies a modern day problem. If the men with the money bring in a manager the players don't want, the players take it upon themselves to be negative. The one thing all successful managers have is they are not scared to wave the big stick if they have to. I wonder who the Everton players want, someone who will wave the big stick and make us successful, or someone they can wave the big stick to so they can have an easy life? Koeman had his faults but I do think some players decided to be negative. It's time the players realised who pays their wages and decide where their loyalties should lay. We want to be big. We need a big man who can manage big players. We want big players who can take being told what to do and when to do it. We don't need the likes of Allardyce. We are not that bad yet. Rant over lol.

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{Ed025's Note - it was a very fair rant if you ask me nick..

01 Nov 2017 21:16:01
Not surprised at all. The point is, we bullet the Manager, which was coming as was Lukaku leaving with no plan. What a sorry mess!

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01 Nov 2017 19:44:14
If he has named Ashley Williams as captain then rhino has lost me after only a week in charge I am starting to give up with this club.

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01 Nov 2017 21:05:10
Well the captains before weren’t exactly inspirational so I guess you can’t do much worse than they did.

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01 Nov 2017 22:32:07
Williams is faster than blot in training and is a true world beater there too that's why he keeps getting picked.

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01 Nov 2017 19:33:21
Just being reported 81 % of Everton fans want Dyche as our next manager.

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01 Nov 2017 19:45:23
Well I'm not one of them.

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01 Nov 2017 19:58:23
I am mate.

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01 Nov 2017 20:50:43
No one asked me .

I never get included in anything!

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01 Nov 2017 21:02:47
Big hug for you Grumpy mate.

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01 Nov 2017 21:06:06
I’d rather go for the pointless answer then.

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01 Nov 2017 21:31:25
The guy who runs our local is pretty good. Beer always flowing, special offers and never out of nuts. Lockins are legendary as well.

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01 Nov 2017 21:38:45
Nice to see a bit of fun on the pages thought we had forgot how to have a laugh.

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01 Nov 2017 22:05:06
Right on there Skylark.

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01 Nov 2017 22:12:59
Sorry but the question was "would you rather have Dyche or big Sam" and 81% that responded said Dyche.

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{Ed025's Note - and me one of them mike..

01 Nov 2017 23:12:27
Legendary gets my vote BlueJohn.

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01 Nov 2017 18:46:59
Dyche, allardyce, Nuno and the like. I've never been more embarrassed to be an Evertonian.

What's worse is that fans are arguing over which one of these second rate managers they want. None of these are good enough.

The dream we had of moving up into the top 6 are gone and now is the time to simply establish ourselves in the league all over again.

The blame is with all of us. Fans, board, manager, Walsh, players, the lot.

Short sightedness is going to mess the next appointment up again with one of these choices and set us back to the Smith/ Moyes era. I'm hoping Moshiri gets his way and gets a more adventurous appointment but I fear panic is suffocating everyone's judgement.

If we win 2 or three games coming up we could be mid table. Do we then sack one of these and go for someone better, then when they take us up a level get some better again?

Stop panicking and start thinking about where you want us to go as a club realistically. Then start thinking of the manager that will take us there.

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01 Nov 2017 19:04:18
Good post and totally agree.

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01 Nov 2017 19:11:39
BJ agree with all except for fans to blame. many many of us have been there for decades through good times and a lot of poor teams and poor managers, and we are still going. there are a few septic sections at times BUT they cannot be blamed for buys, formations, tactics, training, style of play. that truly rests with those within the club. and we will still be there supporting them.

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01 Nov 2017 20:35:05
I have to assume that the Board and those being paid big bucks know what is going on and in that case know a lot more than us.

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01 Nov 2017 21:26:32
I've been going for 35 years Jcl and never known such hostility towards our own players in all that time and we've had some pretty awful teams.

We all have a responsibility and I don't mind accepting we as fans have fallen in our standards at home. Away we are still awesome by the way and could show our home fans what supporting a club is actually about.

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02 Nov 2017 09:32:13
JLC1878 sorry but the fans do have a part to play in the mess we are in the booing and jeering does affect players as much as the cheering so there will negative impact on the playing staff, it also sets the tone and negativity breeds negativity.

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01 Nov 2017 18:37:32
Unsworn names Ashley Williams as Captain for the game against Lyon, says it all for me definitely not our future manager, what a decision.

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01 Nov 2017 18:46:09
Unsworth grrr.

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01 Nov 2017 19:01:33
Agreed, first he ought to be dropped for his poor form and second he ought to be on a club ban for his conduct in the home game against lyon. Unsworth no thanks and the club's director of football your silence is deafening.

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01 Nov 2017 19:12:34
I was all for giving Unsworth a chance and to be honest we have looked better, where the problem lies is we have Jagielka, Baines, both great servents but now slowing down and Ashley Williams, yes we need a centre forward, but our big flaw is our defence, fix that and we will see results follow, is it time to give Garbutt a run out, ho can we get to plug the centre half position because more than a centre forward even, we are very weak at the back. No manager including Ancelotti or any top manager named, is going to fix that defence before January, so we either gamble and give a couple of the youngsters a go, or we stick in hope the defence finds some form.

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01 Nov 2017 19:22:14
See were you are coming from mate but not so long ago we had the best defence around, players don't get bad over night, don't really know what the answer is.

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01 Nov 2017 20:37:58
Need a Manager that is going to stand up to player power, picking Williams and then naming him as Captain when he is so plainly out of form is a sign of naivety by Unsworth, it must be because I refuse to believe Unsworth lacks bottle.

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01 Nov 2017 20:51:48
The only reason I see a manager giving the captains armband is it normally has a positive effect on the player in question, if Keane is fit, I would have played Keane but looks like he may be saved for Sunday’s game.

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01 Nov 2017 20:53:14
The don't get bad GuernseyBlue but they do get older, this then makes them defend deeper and deeper in order to not get exposed, I am not a manager a coach or even a master tactician but even I can see the space between the back line and midfield is huge and even when we have possesion in the opposition half our back line is still 20 yards in their own half, look at both Leicesters goals and you will see that. The only way to combat this is to play younger defenders, Garbutt, Holgate, Keane and Coleman when fit would be my backline.
This same problem occurs up top when Rooney starts as well, watch how deep he comes and offers no outlet for the midfield.
I watched Burnley's line when we played them at Goodison and the organisation and position was the polar opposite to ours and this is how the manager sets them up and therefore as much as he ain't a foreign name, Dyche would get us back to basics hopefully and stabilise for maybe 2 to 3 years before we bring in a more adventurous glamorous name.

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{Ed025's Note - your spot on with the defence and midfield being miles apart gray, as well as rooneys part in this debacle mate..

01 Nov 2017 21:04:58
Point taken mate, agree with that.

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01 Nov 2017 21:28:00
that backline would be my pick also Bluegray but until Coleman is fit slot Kenny in his position. Eventually that will be the defence.

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01 Nov 2017 16:52:01
I have just seen a story about a 7 year old kid that loves everton and wants to become a football manager he kept asking his dad questions but his dad is a rugby fan and told him t write to bill kenwright and bill replied inviting the kid to finch farm for the day and tomeet unsworth then when unsworth got the caretaker job the dad emailed everton and said he understood if they cancelled he understood but they said a promise is a promise and unsworth spent time with him and he got to see a training session and meet the players that is why i'm proud to be an evertonion.

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{Ed025's Note - lovely story that willy, thanks for sharing mate..

01 Nov 2017 18:12:40
We are class.

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01 Nov 2017 18:56:21
Off the pitch we seem to do all the right things. On the pitch.?

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01 Nov 2017 19:03:27
Bills propaganda is still working, lol.

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01 Nov 2017 19:28:26
Let's be fair now. it's Everton's. Rapport with the community that makes the club special. they don't have to do many of the things they do. we shouldn't be cynical about fan liaison imo. Pat on the back from me. doesn't change team form, but still nice.

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01 Nov 2017 16:15:11
Do you want an experience manager or the manager that is right for us
We have tried Martinez tippy tap football worked for a bit then didn't know how to do the basics.
Koeman no nonsense talk tough to beat went sour even though he was experienced and huge name.
Now what?
I want the best person available and for me that would be Dyche or Allardyce it might be negative but they know the league and they get the best out of players.

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01 Nov 2017 16:46:38
All I want is for us to break out of this dreadful run. If that means getting Dyche or Allardyce then so be it. Don't care what they have done in the past or even how they play. We need to get out of this ever increasing hole that is being dug.

Another thing is, if even the job would either of them want it?

We need a proven manager, not taking a chance on an inexperienced manager. I know Moyes when he came first was seen as inexperienced but it was an educated guess as he was doing well with PNE. He was more or less an exception to the rule.

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01 Nov 2017 17:11:31
Good post mate, I would like the same thing anyone who can get us this awful mess, Big Sam, Dyche, really don't care,

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02 Nov 2017 07:08:59
Getting out of this mess isn't the only criteria, though of course it's the most urgent. We still want someone who will give us in the next two years a crack at the top 6 - that is still the ambition of this club. I know things are awful at the moment but we can't give up already. We knock our players for not having fight in them but the mentality of fans is just as bad.

The negativity and the blind panic will not help. The desperation that doesn't see further than a few weeks will cost us years and more millions. We are Everton. We do not crumble like this. This is such an important appointment after two bad mistakes. Dyche is OK - he's a good motivator but his system at Burnley and previously at Watford required (physically) big players and a powerful centre-forward.

We don't have those things so he will need to adapt, at least initially, and we can't be sure he could. Just 'no' to Sam. He's not a fit for this club. I'd rather Rhino or Ed002's suggestion of Hoddle than him. If we have an unbalanced squad it's even more important that we go for someone tactically astute. We don't have a huge pair (!) of central defenders.

We don't have a big centre-forward. We do have, when fit, a couple of hard guys in midfield. We have a few very good dead-ball specialists. We have a couple of very good passers. We have a couple of skilful wide players. And we have a goalie who will stop a lot of shots.

A Pulis or an Allardyce will not do it with that squad. 'Motivation' in the general sense will not do it. We need someone with enough nous to know how to play to our strengths, of which there are plenty, and compensate for our weaknesses (enough said). We can't have knee-jerk reactions.

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01 Nov 2017 14:34:49
Laurent Blanc for me. I hope eds. Has been out of a job for a while. He might be eager.

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01 Nov 2017 14:25:56
Apparently the Wolves manager is going to reject us.

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01 Nov 2017 12:31:12
What exactly do supporters want from there next manager.
A boring dull to watch team who don't concede goals, but win trophys. Or a team that play open expansive football, but win nothing.
Mourinio's teams don't concede goals, and try nicking wins by the odd goal. However, he wins trophys. Yet even now the Mancs are moaning about his style of play.
Peps team play expansive football and still win trophys, but they have the financial backing and the quality to do this.
In my opinion we need a manager who builds from the back, a strong defence is paramount to success. And it is clear for all to see, we do not have a strong defence. Yes we need a striker, but he would have to score at least two goals a game to keep us ahead of the opposition.
I would have Jose any day of the week. The Mancs don't realise how lucky they are.

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01 Nov 2017 12:50:00
You watch football for entertainment, and that is what it should be all about. Winning should be ancillary to that.

In Everton's current situation though, you need someone who can come in and start grinding out results. Particularly given your lack of striker and pace in the side.

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01 Nov 2017 14:03:10
We'd spend a lot of time watching football in an ancillary division if we looked for entertaining football at goodison SP.

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01 Nov 2017 17:04:59
I agree, that's the point I made.

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01 Nov 2017 19:00:50
Football is not an entertainment business. Unless your the guys out on the park, they love it. Do sod all and get paid loads of dosh for it. When did you ever hear of a match getting cancelled because it wasn't entertaining?

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31 Oct 2017 23:27:21
So after hearing he's in the squad would anyone be tempted to start Morgan Feeney on Thurs? We are virtually out anyway and my feeling is can he be much worse than the Jags/ Williams combo at the moment. Been hearing good things about this lad, and a bit of no nonsense defending is what's required.

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01 Nov 2017 11:10:41
I said a few days ago about giving him or Matty Foulds a go at left centre half. Can't be any worse than Williams is at the moment.

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