Everton Banter Archive October 01 2017

01 Oct 2017 23:22:01
We're all football managers with opinions. Some i agree with others i dont. After a lot of thought tho i think i'd go for a 4141 with

Pickford
Baines holgate keane kenny
Gueye
Vlasic davis siggurdson lookman
Calvert Lewin

Coleman and bolasse to come back in when fit.

02 Oct 2017 10:54:22
probably the best team we can field right now, pity koeman has a fetish for a very poor morgan schneiderlin and will never drop in his mind 'the star man'

02 Oct 2017 13:01:50
442 diamond for me anomblue with davies out midfield and niasse in.

01 Oct 2017 22:09:05
I've made a few posts in the last few weeks. some serious and some tongue in cheek but the following is as serious as it gets!
Reading the comments from RK after today's shambolic display leaves me completely bewildered and aghast as to his comments. "this is how we need to play to get out of the situation". "it is out of my hands" - this is from the guy who is supposed to be leading our club!
His ego and arrogance had already detached him from "the peoples club" supporters and comments in recent weeks such as "I'll concentrate on the football and let Steve Walsh concentrate on the signings". EH? . you are luck enough to be manager of this great football club Ronald and the clue is in the title - MANAGER. so for Christ's sake manage!
If you thought we were a stepping stone to Barcelona or something equally as appealing then I'm glad you find yourself in this situation but deep down I am bitterly disappointed as I really thought you could be the one to return us to the glory days and into the new stadium in a positive manner - sadly it appears my hope and aspirations have once again been misguided.
You can point to the lack of a new striker but £150 million later which is unprecedented for this club means that we should be in much better shape than at present.
The whole Giroud debacle should have been backed up with a firm plan b and not rely on titbits of a failed £66m bid for Costa to appease the faithful. he would not have come to us for £1m per week. and now the reports are of Andy Carroll? come on!
Something is not right at either board or management level and it needs sorting quick!
We started the season just 7 weeks ago full of promise and in the mix for 4 competitions. within the next 3 weeks we are almost certain to be out of three of them!
Interesting that the crass new financial deal with Rovio see's the players don the Angry birds logo on their sleeves. when in actual fact they already have angry fans on their backs! .

02 Oct 2017 09:53:12
I can understand why some are angry but if you actually look at what RK has done to try to win games and not get caught up with the emotion of winning and loosing you can see he his trying to win games. Both Moyes and RM where very defensive in their own way RK is a more tactical type of manager who is happy to change formation to try to at least compete for the win. He has tried 3 at the back we win a game its great we loose a game he is clueless he goes with a back 4 we win a game but don't play well he is clueless. What gets ne is he has changed his formations if it dosn't work its his fault. A lot of posters where clamoring for added pace in the side we play two narrow not aggressive or fast enough up top. Well yesterday he played most of the players we have been hoping he would play we get beat and yet again its his fault. Its obvious he has lost the dressing room and that he needs to go! Utter bollocks. At the begining of the season some we were full of hope and were going to win everything we entered others warned that this was a long term project and it would be likely that it would take two to three seasons before we actually looked like proper contenders. Yes I would love to be top 4 and win a trophy but we don't have the players at this moment in time to do that we have a great bunch of young players that I hope will gradually get better and better, the older heads are providing the necessary experience but the majority of the team is lacking confidence and not playing well. Is this RK's fault, maybe maybe not as I don't attend training sessions or sit in the back office so I don't actually know. As for the formations we are pretty limited to what we can actually pick we can't play a 442 or 4411 because we don't have a LM or RM that hold position and do the defensive work required we have wingers that are pretty good going forward but offer pretty much nothing in defence. I think that may be one of the reasons why the reliance of 2 dms. Either way once the team hit some form we will start to see a much better performances. Have patience we are better for having RK than not, but that's just my opinion.

02 Oct 2017 14:21:00
I was one of the very optimistic people, but the decline in the performances I have seen this season has made me worried. I wasn't expecting us to be turning everyone over from day one, but would have hoped by now that there would have been some signs of improvement. If anything it's getting worse. And I was one of the people excited when he came in.

I don't agree with your point on wingers. Currently we've got Baines and Martina trying to be both defender and winger because neither has an outlet when they look up. If we had to wingers on then they could focus first and foremost on defending, but push on when needed on the overlap. On that basis, RK has to take some responsibility. We are too predictable because the only option is to play through the middle. Sideways and backwards.

RK must have wanted all these number 10s, because I don't believe for a minute that they would have come in without his agreement. He has to take responsibility for that as well.

02 Oct 2017 16:43:56
Winsor we played Vlasic and DCL as another against Burnley both got found out defensively. That fact that people have been crying out for pace going forward without thinking about the defensive side of the game amazes me. Vlasic and Lookman will get better as they have quality but at the moment playing both in my opinion would not be sensible especially in our current form. I think DCL should be used as a second forward not on the wing anyway. We really do need Bolasie, Coleman and Mori back ASAP.

01 Oct 2017 22:08:23
I see people shouting for Koeman's head. Such a shame a lot of people think that. We've played the top 5 teams bar Liverpool and we have done pretty bad. I can't deny that. But I repeat the fans aren't helping booing throwing coins and bottles. If you think it's clever then you need to leave Everton and don't return we don't want ya. When Tottenham sold Bale for an incredible amount of money. Tottenham went out and bought 6/ 7 new players and it took them at least half a season to start to gel. I don't know what the frig is going on at Everton but sacking Koeman isn't the answer yet.
And the people thinking sack Koeman and get Ancelotti are clearly on cloud 9. Do you honestly think he's gunna come here. Chelsea, Munich Everton hahahaha. Keep dreaming.

01 Oct 2017 23:14:27
We've also played Atalanta, a team I can't spell from Cyprus and Burnley. No defence for any of those performances, in any sense.

I don't agree with throwing coins or bottles, but think people who spend their hard earned money to watch their team and manager amble about with no clue while getting paid millions for the pleasure have every right to boo. Besides, it's going to take a lot more than cheering to turn this shambles around.

{Ed025's Note - i agree windsor..

02 Oct 2017 09:58:43
Atalanta and AL yes but Burnley er no they are a good side with a lot of confidence at the moment if you look at their results beat Chelsea drew with both Spurs and the darkside, they are no mugs. This was going to be a difficult game, and so it proved.

02 Oct 2017 10:27:18
I agree they're a decent side SA90, but at home I'd expect us to at least have a couple of efforts on goal against them. I'm not saying I expected to put six past them but at least show some desire and intent.

Their squad probably cost less than Sig.

02 Oct 2017 10:57:00
whats it come to, trying to defend a loss at home to burnley, what is going through some peoples heads, every other team they've come across away have been fuming but you think oh yeah they done well against others so its sound they beat us. pathetic.

01 Oct 2017 20:34:45
My postivies I seen today
Dominic Calvert lewin
Vlasic
Baines was better going forward today
Gueye stayed on for once
Davies

Rooney probably should of started this type of game where they have players behind the ball and he can make intelligent passes and runs

Lookman needs a run of games got blistering pace and koeman is tying his future development.

Holgate should start over Williams
Kenny over martina. Kennys crosses beat the first man

My team against Brighton
. pickford
Kenny. Keane holgate baines
Gueye
Lookman. Vlasic
Siggursson
Dcl. Sandro/ Rooney.

02 Oct 2017 02:34:31
Did i just see the words Rooney and intelligent in the same sentence? Now your having a laugh. He should stick to wearing his everton pyjamas and not the jersey. # finished.

01 Oct 2017 20:00:34
Over 150mil spent and what to show for it
He buys loads of young talent for the future and 3 attacking mids + centre back
we all thought we were gona get a replacement for rom and never we all new jags an willaims were past it and we never got another centre back we go an buy SIG but who has he got to assist its one big Mess to me nothing makes sence with the type of players we have purchased
Plus he plays a system i keep saying this it doesn't work bains an martina get some stick but there not wing backs and they never have been we need width an lookman an miraless how they don't evan get 20 mins on the pitch is a joke
Things don't look good.

01 Oct 2017 20:39:49
I disagree with you over jags he still offers a lot imo and we don't play wing backs so not sure of your argument one thing i will say is martina is pants end off.

02 Oct 2017 10:01:02
Mate it u won't are club to aim higher and be a top 4 team then if u think jags is got more left we ate going backwards
Jags an willaims ate finished.

01 Oct 2017 19:51:45
Can we please inform the anti doping organisation about Koeman, surely he's on drugs if he defends that performance. The defence is woeful and far too deep, the 2 holding midfielders I would say is good IF they offered protection which they dont, Schneiderlein plays more sideways passes than a crab in a fight, Gylfi is a waste of £45m if he is to be used as a winger instead of Lookman who is a winger, Williams should never wear a blue shirt again and I feel for him as his confidence is shot yet he is still played. All the points I raised are decisions of the manager and therefore he is to blame.
There is a manager who has won league titles in England, Spain, Italy and Germany as well as Champions League wins too, who is currently out of work, please Moshiri, this is your business and its going down the jacksy, make the call to relieve the Ganja Man and bring in Carlo.

01 Oct 2017 20:40:53
well said bluegray87, koeman has to be let go asap. which guts me as I thought he was the real deal.

01 Oct 2017 22:17:17
I did too Bluey but he seems insistent on playing players he has brought in regardless of form/ position.
SIG's should be played behind a front 2 with both Vlasic and Lookman on the wings, pace opens up teams who sit behind the ball, after Vlasic went off we were back to being narrow and without pace going forward and in essence making it easy for Burnley to see the game out. He isn't tactically aware and he isn't managing so isn't a manager, time to go for me.

01 Oct 2017 18:32:39
Us mere fans are not often privy to what goes on behind the scenes but do any of the eds have any inkling of player unrest in the dressing room? I mean do they ever speak out against him or question his decision making? Did Mirallas perhaps do this and Koeman has made an example of him? The guy just seems so detached from the fans and the team that I think everyone struggles to warm to him. His arrogance will be his downfall.

01 Oct 2017 18:05:06
Started lively today but you sensed as soon as a goal goes against us we were in big trouble. Every decent attack the opposition look as though they have acres of room to play in. the players look dazed and so few running with the ball.
Williams is not good enough. playing both Schneiderlen and Gana seems to diminish the authority of both. certainly Schneiderlen showing little form. Davies gives us a runner in midfield and he looks like the future. can't see Rooney and Sigurdsson playing regularly in the same team and doing damage. klassen and sandro will struggle adjusting in a team with so little confidence, if they have the requisite talent. Vlasic looks bright. but there is no real leader in the team at present and that is glaringly obvious. someone to gee the team up and drive us forward. the deficiencies we all know but the fix means better direction from the top. encouragement to play without fear and all fans getting behind a struggling ship because fans do make a difference as we have seen with the opened away support at goodison this season chanting through the majority of the game. While I hope koeman can turn it round, the whole atmosphere is like the drift before Roberto went. We need an Adrian Heath moment soon!

01 Oct 2017 18:26:53
Brilliant post. but gone beyond that now for me. the man is too arrogant.

01 Oct 2017 17:31:29
We really do have a problem when Koeman has just said he was happy with the comittement and the supporters must see that!
I must have been watching a different game .
How can he possibly be happy with that.
A far way from being 0-1 down v Mayern Munich and getting a win .
I have lost my faith in my great club
Surely he must go but he won't till it's too late.

01 Oct 2017 17:57:23
just seen it what the hell is he talking about trbor, he also said we havnt the type of players to make things happen, well ronald you spent all that money and signed 3 number 10's just go now you are losing the plot.

01 Oct 2017 17:04:23
I don't think that the board will sack Koeman as they know they failed to deliver the striker that we need. I'm not saying this mess is not his fault, but the board will be patient for this reason.

I don't have much faith that he will turn this around but I just can't see this board sacking him and further I think they will back him in January and bring a striker in. Then he will be expected to turn it around and th board will be justified in sacking him if he doesn't.

01 Oct 2017 17:09:31
We all knew Mr AWOL was leaving 6 months ago so he had plenty of time to get a replacement in and failed the buck stops at his door.

01 Oct 2017 17:20:19
That's exactly how I see it mate. I think most managers would struggle to get a tune out of half a dozen number 10s, an aging defence and no strikers. I don't think Koeman has the ability to turn it around, but can't see anyone else doing it either at this stage. If we're still in this position in December, ditch him then and bring someone else in before the window opens.

01 Oct 2017 17:32:52
Just seen that's koeman said "the solutions starts with the commitment of the players" after the game.

The solution starts with having the right players in the right positions on the pitch.

01 Oct 2017 17:46:05
Deluded and arrogant. he has got to go for me now. I honestly thought he'd have risen to challenge today. his post match feedback and team selection says it all.

01 Oct 2017 16:16:30
Blimey Ed 025,what a load of rubbish today, i have always been one of R Ks biggest fans but after that dross the board have to act and let him go, it just has not worked out for him at Everton, we have a two week break coming up so get someone new in say Ancelotti to get the team to believe in themselves and get us back on track before its too late.

{Ed025's Note - it was pathetic mate..

01 Oct 2017 16:26:14
Meant to add to that Ed, when camera zoomed in on Bill he looked distraught.

01 Oct 2017 16:24:28
It wasnt even that good ed.

{Ed025's Note - your right gray..embarrassing is more like it mate..

01 Oct 2017 16:30:08
Guernsey, I can't believe i'm saying this but I want him going now. I've decided that he is tactically inept. Once again Gana and Schneiderlin and sigurdson. with sigurdson on left with wing? Sigurdson drifts in which means baines (whose legs r not what they were) continuously finds him self isolated. Williams, did not have his worst he today but he is garbage, and is continuously happy for Schneiderlin to drop deep and pick up the ball. which is what Williams should be doing. Finally what has lookman and Kenny go to do to get a game? Why does RK want to play only one winger (vilasic) and a wing back who aside two decent tackles today's. can't defend! I want RK gone now😒.

01 Oct 2017 16:36:07
Can't really see someone like Ancelotti wanting to take on this shambles of a team. To say we have gone backwards is an understatement. Burnley showed us how eleven players play like a team rather than a set of individuals. For anyone to blame the players is ridiculous. The blame rests squarely with the management. We still have time to sort this mess out but you can forget any of the top six rubbish. We are in a relegation battle.

01 Oct 2017 16:39:57
Never thought I would have wanted him to go either, thought he was our saviour, but with the new Stadium in the pipeline I think Mr Moshiri will act, he has to go mate so much at stake.

01 Oct 2017 16:50:03
besides martina and williams who are simply not good enough its not a shambles mike its what koeman has done to them 2 hold mids an 3 no10s in recent weeks no balance no width its what he's moulded them in to do we need a new man in to sort it out install some confidence in them play them in right positions its needed now and fast, maybe not even a big name for now stick dunc and unsy in and get some passion in that changing room, koeman has lost them for me and falls out with to many of them.

01 Oct 2017 16:52:41
I was working today and this makes my day even worse following it on an computer and mobile, pure garbage!
Why oh why 2 holding midfielders its not worked all season, but at least some pace was brought in.
Inept finishing, some players look like their costs are a burden and have no confidence or direction.
Its just not working, I don't know what the answer is, sack him or bear with him, but I am getting a strong feeling of deja vu and a real resemblance to the Mike Walker situation for those who remember!

01 Oct 2017 16:52:57
Koeman has to go now. He is leading us to the Championship.

01 Oct 2017 17:11:49
Well Guernsey Blue I know I been predicting it since before season began and we have had some differences of opinion mate BUT I USE YOUR KNOWLEDGE AND SENSIBILITY as a excellent baramoter and the fact you now saying he must go is good enough for me .
Only problem is Everton board and supporters are not proactive .
Should have reached the stage were we have some kind of protest because the management don't give a dam they have their SKY money.

01 Oct 2017 17:23:19
I have given R K a good time to turn things round mate, but enough is enough.

01 Oct 2017 17:28:51
Trebor, sky money will only be there for those who remain in premiere league. this team looks like cannon fodder because the man is arrogant and deluded. per his post match interview. but as I said earlier this week the board should share SOME of the blame for how they've enabled him.

01 Oct 2017 18:08:07
Sorry djr it is a shambles right now. Not saying a good manager would not be able to sort things out, I just don't see how we can attract someone like Ancelotti but I would be over the moon if we could. We just keep leaking preventable goals, Williams was not paying attention and simply had to move forward to get an off-side decision. I have watched the Burnley goal several times and Williams was asleep, he is a liability and not good enough IMHO, and don't get me started about Martina. Not sure how we are going to score either, we paid 40M pounds for a player who missed two opportunities to score today, one of which I could have scored at 77 years of age.

01 Oct 2017 14:40:47
I'm sorry but this is the last time I take my seat here at the old lady until he has gone I can't see anything in this team or management this cannot be supported by any Ronald koeman fans.

01 Oct 2017 14:46:15
Same. Very inept management. No clue on selection, formation, kids development seems to have stopped, he's too critical of HIS players. But owners seem to like him.

01 Oct 2017 16:22:14
Really disappointed RK hasn't worked but he hasn't. Players look like everygame is causing huge damage. He has lost that changingroom. His compensation at this stage is going to be huge. In my opinion has to be done. I wanted RK I'm not happy saying it.

01 Oct 2017 09:55:32
Right people. Game day again. Can't wait and I'm hoping for an early goal. Burnley is one of those games where they shut up shop whilst walking on the pitch.

An early goal should settle nerves on the pitch and in the stands and might end up being a pleasant day out.

Either way I'm going for a 3-1 win today with Williams being the contributed for their goal. Think he has the most assists for opposing teams this season!

Niasse, Davies and Sig to share the three for us.

{Ed025's Note - lets hope so john..

01 Oct 2017 10:28:34
I just hope he mixes it up with a bit of pace, if I see 2 holding midfielders and 3 no.10's again I may scream.

{Ed025's Note - i feel you may need a pack of lockets then gibbo..

01 Oct 2017 10:42:18
Shneids needs to be dropped for a few games at least and drop Williams for the season.

{Ed025's Note - throw rooney in as well and we have a deal mate..

01 Oct 2017 11:15:10
Deal.

01 Oct 2017 12:28:50
Our season gets going on the right track today. 3-0 for me.

01 Oct 2017 16:12:54
We might be Palace's first win of the season at this rate.

01 Oct 2017 04:26:40
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