Everton Banter Archive September 01 2015

01 Sep 2015 23:23:30
What number will Lennon wear?

02 Sep 2015 00:27:31
7, 12 or 26 I suspect.

01 Sep 2015 22:35:11
Yet again transfer deadline day as let me down got up at at 7:00 expecting a number 10 and that's only because martinez said he was buying one. now if they not out there to buy fair enough but don't come out and make statements that get the fans excited and hopeful it only let's us fans down and makes the club look amateurish. Look i'm not normally one to slag the club down crickey I've supported the club since 1977 and always been 100% behind the club but with all the TV money about surely this is the time to show ambition , take a risk now and again splash the cash. Anyway not matter what let's get behind the team and no matter how many times we feel let down we should always love our great club

01 Sep 2015 21:59:48
Well I was working late today so decided not to follow the deadline day circus but to wait until I got back to check it out. In truth Mori and Lennon was what I expected and I am happy with the better players we retained. Would have liked Yarmalenko but we are not the first club to fail to land him and will see what happens next window. Maybe he didn't totally fancy us as we're not CL. Maybe he's a bit of a home town type and will stay where he is. Maybe we didn't offer enough wages. Maybe we were offering to pay the fee over many years. He would have improved the quality of our squad. Whatever we move on.
I'm okay with Lennon. He wants to play for us. He did well enough when on loan. He's a Blue now he has my support.
I know little about Mori. You don't play for Argentina if you are a mug. He clearly wants to play for us. He has a left foot. Has a fair goal scoring record for a defender. He's young enough to get better. Whatever Vickery says us Evertonians will judge.
Think we have made an okay start this season. Still in League Cup for a change. We have a youthful looking squad who seem fitter than last year. It's up to Martinez now. He needs to work with what he has got and what he has got is pace and width which he needs to use. At some point he has to swallow his pride and use Barry sparingly. The Barry and McCarthy axis is not working. Do we really need two holding midfielders?
I think we have the players to play more of a positive high tempo game. Let's scrap the cautious approach get behind the team.

{Ed025's Note - great post that tedster..

01 Sep 2015 22:50:14
Well said tester. Let's get behind the toffee men. Everton are in a decent place and financially sound. We spend within our means which makes sense. Look at Rangers fc as an example. Look what Mismanagement did to that club. As an Evertonian I think more plaudits should be given Kenwright on how he is running the club. Everton will do good this season and finally we will get some silverware. Come on you blues.

01 Sep 2015 23:28:09
Kiev owner said reason the deal never came off is because we only got serious about it 5 days ago. our offer would have been acceptable earlier in the window but there was no way he could let his best chance of getting through the CL group stage leave without having time to replace him. If that's true we have only ourselves to blame.

02 Sep 2015 00:36:19
In general, I feel we have, once again, been badley let down, but, I would take what Kiev have to say, with a very large pinch of salt.

02 Sep 2015 08:52:20
Tedster and Khan I'll buy you a bevvy if I see you at the game. That's proper support. See the negatives but recognise the positives. 5 stars guys!

01 Sep 2015 21:39:55
So who had the best deadline day without a shadow of a doubt SUNDERLAND they failed to sign mcgeady they don't know how lucky they are

01 Sep 2015 21:25:41
Not EFC related really but why do the league allow Chelski to cherry pick anyone they want(well almost anyone) and then loan them out to teams. Almost 30 Chelsea players bought to prevent other clubs from buying them and them loan them straight out to other clubs. They must have a great scouting system buy quantity you may just get one of quality. Lukaku and De Bruyne are two examples of their scouting system.
It might not be illegal but it is certainly immoral.

02 Sep 2015 04:15:16
They need to buy a 60 ft revolving door on the front of there place they way they treat players sometimes is appaling

02 Sep 2015 06:07:04
A couple of success stories out of 100. If we had the means or anybody else for that matter it would be done the same way.

01 Sep 2015 20:52:50
How many of you remember the media criticism (especially from newspaper journalist Martin Samuel) of Everton for having players like Barry, Lukaku and Deulofeu on loan a couple of seasons ago?
Well, I wonder what he thinks of West Ham United (the club he's said he supports) having four players - Jenkinson, Moses, Song and Lanzini - on loan this season?

01 Sep 2015 21:41:36
I thought you were only allowed 2 a season

01 Sep 2015 21:45:21
Is right sid!

01 Sep 2015 22:10:38
You can have four domestic loans per season under Premier League rules, but only two at the same time and the two players must be from different clubs. So you could have two domestic loans in the Summer transfer window and change them for two other domestic loans in the January transfer window.
For West Ham, the two domestic loans are Jenkinson (from Arsnal) and Moses (from Chelsea). The other two loans (Song and Lanzini) are from foreign clubs - and I'm not sure what restrictions on the number of these are in place with FIFA, UEFA, the FA or the Premier League. The Football League do have limits - following the Watford scenario of a couple of seasons ago when they had loads of foreign loanees - but I don't know for sure what the Premier League rules are for foreign loans.

01 Sep 2015 22:38:44
And football was suppose to be a simple game thanks for that

01 Sep 2015 21:05:16
Don't u think Ross Barkley can make a great no 10. He has all the attributes. He's fast, strong, skillful and also he can pick a pass. He's young we just need to be patient. I think Everton have done well in the transfer market. We got top draw defender and Lennon is an honest professional he work tiredlessly for Everton cause.

01 Sep 2015 21:19:47
If he can ever manage to look up and find a pass for rom

01 Sep 2015 21:20:54
To be honest mate I think he's shown us these last 3 seasons he cannot play there. 2 assists in over 80 appearances for us. Not good enough. Need him to play deeper in my opinion.

01 Sep 2015 21:41:43
Not saying he is the answer to our number 10 by any means but he has 2 assists in 8 games this season and know for a fact that he got at least 1 in his 1st 72 odd games for us.

01 Sep 2015 21:47:37
He's young though Sean and he is already showing signs this season the he's got that killer pass in him

01 Sep 2015 23:13:30
HonestBlue-Are tou counting the assist for Lukaku in the cup? I meant Premier League games.

02 Sep 2015 06:10:18
Is he that young. I see certain qualities but the kid has a lot to learn.

01 Sep 2015 20:30:55
I wish the foreign money guys would just bugger off and create a 'super league' so we can get back to the days when a well managed, hard working team could climb their way up and win stuff and not just buy everyone for silly money and then walk the league! Never going to happen but we can hope.

01 Sep 2015 21:29:01
I would not say never mate it has already been discussed I believe and it's very possible in the future.

01 Sep 2015 20:25:56
So after all that our first team as improved 0% why did we wait to to do a deal with yarmolenko so late we all know Ukraine are difficult to do business and a deal was always going to take a while but should of started contact with them and player start of July when champions league was not in spot light now they have kept him there is a big chance they could come 2nd in there group which will cover the fee they would of got for him, and now he will show case his ability on the biggest stage, which means we can forget signing him in January or next summer as other clubs will be In for him

01 Sep 2015 20:23:49
Just heard Tim Vickery on 606 absolutely slate Mori, 'not good enough' and Martinez has a 'blind spot' with South Americans. I know we'll give him a chance but £9m seems a gamble, especially when someone who watches a lot of South American football says he's not got what it takes for the EPL.

{Ed025's Note - i will take vickerys word for it then bulls...after all he is a world authority on south american football, he is quoted by all the powers that be, and is consulted by all the top teams who want to buy a south american player....or could he be the radio hack for radio 5 who has never ventured outside london and talks through his arse?..

01 Sep 2015 21:06:04
Oooft, tough day Ed? never said he was a world authority but clearly he watches more South American football than you, me or anyone else on this site so would reasonably say he's got a more informed opinion (and has been consulted by prem managers before on signings to be fair). I'm glad you feel it's good business though and I have everything crossed in the hope you're right!

{Ed025's Note - these hacks have their own agenda bulls, its kick everton when you can syndrome mate, lots of them suffer from it mate..

01 Sep 2015 20:52:43
Bulls as I posted earlier Thierry Henry was on ssn and he stated that we have a great player and is shocked that one of the big boys didn't come in for Mori, he had nothing but good things to say about the lad

I think his word is pretty good in the footballing world mate

01 Sep 2015 21:00:04
Funny you mentioned that mate I just listened to a podcast he did before the Olympics. He can't pronounce Neymar. Said Hulk would be a better signing for Chelsea than Hazard. He talks absolute rubbish mate.

01 Sep 2015 21:18:34
There is no evidence managers have asked him about transfers. I'd say the River Plate fans and Argentinians who love Mori have a more informed opinion on him than Tim Vickery. Paul Merson watches more BPL footy than Argentinians. Say Stones eas going there and Merson said 'he's absolute rubbish', we think he's brilliant, who should people trust? The people who watch him regularly or the fantasist.

01 Sep 2015 20:07:28
Joking aside though, I do think that Barkley can play that 'no. 10' role for us especially now he seems to have his mojo back this season. this would enable Bobby to play Del Boy & Mirallas as 2 wingers from the start. I also think we'll probably go back for Yarmalenko either in January or this time next year at 7:59pm & 58seconds! ;)

01 Sep 2015 20:29:41
Yarmalenko will never happen now. We had our chance and blew it. Not a great window for me. Sadly something I should be used to I guess.

01 Sep 2015 20:31:49
No Barkley can do a job there but he needs to play his best position this season which is from deep I would like us to try something else why not try Del Boy there go and give him a free roll to go and roam at the end of the day that's what no 10s do they are given license to do that we know he can go past people plus he will draw fouls worth a go

01 Sep 2015 21:24:47
You're right true blue. he played that deeper role in the game at home against qpr last season & was outstanding, probably his best game of an otherwise poor season!

01 Sep 2015 22:45:50
That was the game where I saw into the future and thought if played in that role we could have a complete cm which is what I believe he is just needs to do what he has done so far this season even though was not at his best at Spurs he was the one that looked like he could make something happen.
What I like from him so far from start of this season is he is demanding the ball which he should do but when he plays the no 10 role he has back towards goal, Ross Barkley is at his best when runing at teams from deep

01 Sep 2015 20:02:47
Tom Cleverley
Bryan Oviedo
Aiden McGeady

these players are not wingers, aiden is ment to be but fails badly so too all the people whio are asking do we need another ie lennon, then simple yes we do, we need comp for both sides not one winger to challange both sides!

01 Sep 2015 19:59:34
I would have liked James Wilson on loan just to have some variation up top. For me deadline day is like Xmas starts out expecting a new Xbox one but end up with a second hand spectrum

01 Sep 2015 20:11:01
A second-hand Spectrum? You lucky b*****d! When I was a lad - blah blah blah - but it was a good life ;-)

01 Sep 2015 19:48:23
10 million on a back up defender?
I would have signed lescott for 2 m knowing he is familiar with the club and can partner jags well when called upon and used the money wisely on a striker .

Martinez does not like to rotate his defence, at least Lennon will play his part, Mori will be on the bench unless of injuries.

{Ed025's Note - we can all play at being a football manager daz, im sure that out of ten of us 8 would pick a different side..

01 Sep 2015 20:26:30
He's left footed so can fill in at left back and when needed can play in a back 3 it's called having options

01 Sep 2015 20:51:16
Mori will be Jags replacement remember he's just turned 33 yrs old so I expect this season to be his last as a first choice starter hope i'm wrong though as Jags is my favorite player.

01 Sep 2015 19:34:26
Well that was disappointing, but we do have a decent team, Martinez just has to play it! Barkley needs to play in the middle along side McCarthy with mirallas as our number 10 behind lukaku with Lennon and del playing out wide, to me that's a great team! the bench won't look too bad either! All we need is Martinez to be brave and drop Barry!
And hopefully get yarmenko in January!

01 Sep 2015 19:30:05
Goalkeepers:
Tim Howard
Joel Robles
Russell Griffiths

Thoughts:
Need a replacement for Howard next summer definitely or maybe January.

Right Backs:
Seamus Coleman
Tony Hibbert
Matthew Pennington

Thoughts:
Back up for Coleman as Hibbert is never fit.

Centre Backs:
Phil Jagielka
John Stones
Ramiro Funes Mori
Tyias Browning
Brendan Galloway

Thoughts:
This is fine, leave it alone.

Left Backs:
Leighton Baines
Bryan Oviedo
Luke Garbutt
Brendan Galloway

Thoughts:
Fine, whatever happens with Oviedo in the summer we have plenty of options.

Centre Midfielders:
Gareth Barry
James McCarthy
Leon Osman
Tom Cleverley
Ross Barkley
Muhamed Besic
Darron Gibson

Thoughts:
Lots of numbers, Gibson will probably leave but still very strong here.

Wingers:
Kevin Mirallas
Gerard Deulofeu
Steven Pienaar
Aaron Lennon?
Tom Cleverley
Bryan Oviedo
Aiden McGeady

Thoughts:If Lennon signs then happy days, get rid of McGeady and Pienaar, still think a 'proper' Left Winger is needed but should not be a priority until the summer.

Number 10:
Ross Barkley
Leon Osman
Tom Cleverley

Thoughts:
Not good enough, need a quality player in this position and should be top of the list.

Strikers:
Romelu Lukaku
Arouna Kone
Steven Naismith
Conor McAlney?
Leandro Rodriguez

Thoughts:
Let's see how Rodriguez does throughout the season, still think another Striker is needed.


Same as I expected to be honest, still need a Number 10 and Striker.

January is not the best time to do business but we definitely need to address these issues ASAP.

{Ed025's Note - fair assessment that swan..

01 Sep 2015 20:00:04
I agree swan but I do think Ross will shine this season. My issue is either him or cleverly should be playing deeper and Barry benched. Home teams are struggling because most are playing 2 holding mids. You then chase a goal and get hit on the break. Start aggressive score first then bring on a second holding mid and hit on the break. When playing away do the reverse.

01 Sep 2015 20:00:57
Great analysis, Swan.

01 Sep 2015 20:27:19
Good breakdown, I think that the challenge is to find the best number 10 out of what we have. Could it be conor or gerard? Or is it kone? Either way Barkley needs to play deep, and rom must not be used as a target man because despite his size he can't do it.

01 Sep 2015 20:38:14
Watched Pennington a few times now. Believe me we don't need anymore cover there, lads a very good player. Focus on goalie, no10 and striker.

01 Sep 2015 19:23:41
Oh Ed, who would be you right now?
The amount of bile and anger you will read is enough to make anyone go insane.
It's players and money lads. What do we love? We love Everton football club, the good news is it's still standing the badge is still on the shirt and we are still everton.
In the next two weeks or so I fully expect information to be brought out on a national basis that will put the board in a very untenable position. The board, manager, players are not the club, Evertonians are the club and once all the dust has settled we will still be Evertonians. Born not manufactured (only decent bit of marketing we have ever done by the way)
Bring on Chelsea bring on a Stones winner. Happy days.

{Ed025's Note - im still here, and still a mad evertonian svenny..

01 Sep 2015 20:55:01
I'm not so sure Svenny. I think we've done alright and I think others will as well. We needed the number 10 but it was not for the lack of trying. You will probably find the usual miserable sods that wanted Messi and Ronoldo signed but in reality we were almost there with what we wanted.

Information being brought out in two about the board. To be fair the whole board could leave and we get a new one and the fans will still get on their back as well. Your assertion over what Joe Anderson has just been going on about in the paper will not be anything new.

The club is struggling to find finance. He is not saying that in October we are not moving he is just giving an update when in fact he should keep his gob shut until the club has an announcement to make. Again just another politician making out he has the best interest of the club when in fact he just wants to massage his big fat bellied ego. With you being in marketing I would have thought you would have seen through his self marketing ploy!

Has any politician EVER made public announcements over a business development when it is still ongoing and disregard the wishes of the business? No. Who jeopardises a massive potential investment in the city by doing that? No-one except for someone wanting to get favour of the masses.

For me we move on and now for a change we can start to look at just playing football.

I wish the new lads good luck and the club all the best for the season.

As for marketing are you kidding?

Everton two at Liverpool one is one the best I've ever seen at any business. Plus the emotions of the Fabric video and this seasons new kit.

Now turn that frown upside down.

COYB NSNO

01 Sep 2015 21:51:04
The board stuff has nothing to do with a move it's to do with a very suspect loan taken on the 16th August this year.

However agreed, now the window is shut and we still have Coleman, Stones, McCarthy, Barkley, Mirallas, Lukaku. Hang on that's the basis of a very good side I'm still smiling.

Live in Sweden mate so I would miss a lot of the local marketing that happens these days but globally we could do a lot more. Can't buy a kit over here but can get a Stoke one or Palace

Who cares we are what we are (you and me and everyone on this site that is) support what's put on the pitch and use sensible channels to put forward your greviances. I hope the email chain I put up shows that if you can be bothered their contact info (all senior employees of the club) is available so email them, send them a letter they do respond and they can't ignore all of us

01 Sep 2015 23:06:07
That's the spirit Svenny. Don't worry about the BS, it's the lads on the pitch that's the only thing that matters to supporters. The business side of things are best run by people who know how to run a club.

COYB NSNO

01 Sep 2015 19:21:57
Personally I don't think it was a bad transfer window. Do people realise an open transfer window means players can leave? Distin and Alcashite left. Squad no worse off in my opinion. Added Cleverly (who was gaining popularity before he got injured) Del boy (who has yet to be unleashed imo) 2 South Americans and a few youngsters. Looks like Lennon also.

So how is the squad not stronger? If Everton sold Stones, Marallas, and McCarthy and then spent the money on replacements a lot of supporters would be happy. I wouldn't, I think if would be extremely difficult to find replacement for any of our best 11. I agree with only spending if it improves the squad. Slightly concerned about the £9.5m spent on the defender but hopefully he turns out good.

All the genuine posters here want the best for Everton so let's just get behind the manager and team and support them. Most effective thing supporters can do. Booing won't do any good but just great a bad atmosphere. Everyone involved are trying the best for the team. So good support for the team will help spur them on and the best out of them.

01 Sep 2015 20:01:43
Good post NBTB.

01 Sep 2015 20:37:23
good post nb imo its bin a great window some good signings no sales plus I think delboy is going to prove an absolute bargain at 4.5m

{Ed025's Note - not a great window coby, but not as bad a picture thats being painted mate..

01 Sep 2015 19:18:35
When the media and Talksport and Sky experts were putting the pressure on about selling John Stones, one of their main points was that he would be able to learn alongside the 'best defender the premier league has had'. Obviously 'JT's' teaching powers are on the wain. Chelsea have signed a young central defender from Reading. and have immediately sent him back there on loan.

01 Sep 2015 20:38:19
lol like it

01 Sep 2015 19:14:29
What is it with the so called big clubs in London, first it was Stones, and now Tottenham with Berahino. Tell me what part of 'No' do these people not understand.

{Ed025's Note - just the o..

01 Sep 2015 19:07:04
Sorry ed but yet again we have been fed rubbish am hearing we made a last ditch bid for yarmolenko but I think this is all made up to make the board look good and say they tried there best the defender was a must so they had to get him lennon as much as I like him do we need him no not really so much for a defender number 10 and a first team striker one out 3 is not bad just a bunch of greedy old men at the top

{Ed025's Note - these conspiracy theories make me laugh..you do know that all money is accounted for?, no one is lining their pockets as independent auditors make sure of that, running a football club requires a hell of a lot of money these days and we are keeping our heads above water, so please stop these fantasies or prove with evidence that your accusations are correct.....now i would have loved a playmaker and a forward but it wasnt to be, we tried our best for yarmolenko but were thwarted by the ukranian mafia so what am i going to do..cry my eyes out and give up on everton? or give my wholehearted support to the club and the players we have?...answers on a postcard..

01 Sep 2015 19:35:20
Hi Ed I totally agree with you there is so much rubbish posted sometimes,we have kept our best players and in my opinion have bought in some good ones and once again many thanks for all the good work GuernseyBlue

{Ed025's Note - thanks mate..

01 Sep 2015 19:47:53
Ed025: Well said, mate! I too would have loved to have seen some more quality players come to our club (and some other current players leave alongside Distin and Alcarz!), but I take the positives. We weren't bullied into losing Stones; we've got McCarthy and Mirallas on extended contracts; we've kept other good players like Coleman; we've brought in Cleverley (who's looked decent so far) and Deulofeu; we've brought in promising youngsters like Holgate, Henen and Rodriguez on permanent deals; and we've got an international centre-half in Mori. And it looks like Lennon - who did well for us last season - will join. So, imho while it's a pity we couldn't get the number-ten we wanted, I'm not devastated by the business we have actually done. Comparing the squad to before the transfer window, I'd say that it is stronger.

{Ed025's Note - it is sid, by no means a perfect window mate but hopefully enough to give us a good ride until january..

01 Sep 2015 19:55:50
Spot on Ed. Some people think its monopoly money that gets played with. The amount of players over the last year that got tied down to improved contracts has bound to of put the weekly financial outgoings under pressure. Its a business and it seems to be run fairly well in my opinion. I'm no accountant but I understand the running of a business as much as anyone and think Bill and Martinez's approach to spending money is spot on. As for the board, as you said Ed all money is accounted for. Where people get the board is taking money is beyond me.

01 Sep 2015 20:05:22
Well said Ed.!!

01 Sep 2015 20:35:21
Agree ed, this mentality of the board 'pretending' to go for players is just plain daft. This site is getting very tedious in that every other post throws up more negativity, and wild accusations, you must be up the wall as you see more than me.
It's been mentioned time and again on here, by myself and numerous others, that we are in a better financial place than when PJ had us. Possibly the best stability we have had in the premiership era. People should stop taking for granted what we already have in place and stop with the grass is greener mentality.

01 Sep 2015 19:00:39
Hi, is it just me but I feel devastated.Totally let down by the lack of ambition from our club.I know don't know the details of what was tried but feels like not a lot.

01 Sep 2015 19:13:10
Same. I feel completely betrayed and let down by the club. I've been a fan my entire life, but I'm seriously struggling to love it the way it is now. Absolute disgrace.

01 Sep 2015 18:37:44
Have to say I'm not over enamoured with our efforts in the window, Don't know anything about either of the South Americans, and what we've paid for Lennon is way over the top (if we get him). Why oh why is Martinez fascinated with Defenders, 'hard working' players, or those who have no pace whatsoever, and not the classy type of player who can unlock other teams?

01 Sep 2015 18:58:14
I don't see your point, we needed a centre back and got 1, Lennon has nothing but pace, Del is also quick. Clev is hard working and arguably our best player so far this season!

Martinez can only spend what he is given, I'm not his biggest fan by any stretch, tactically he needs to improve but I beleive the players we have now if selected correctly are better than 3/4 seasons ago.

01 Sep 2015 18:27:33
Sunderland wanted megeady and we kept him. What's going on. 😒🔫

01 Sep 2015 18:17:05
Absolutely nothing from Everton today has got me off my seat, stand up and say "Wow that's Intent" all we've got here today is a couple of backup squad players, Kenwright and the board thought they could do there usual trick and keep up happy on deadline day but all they have done is bring in a couple of backup squad players, disappointing to say the least, not good enough "where is the money"?

01 Sep 2015 18:12:39
Think everyone should get behind stones especially when u consider the way berahino has behaved with his boyhood club is disgusting so what if stones put a transfer request in he has handled himself really well none of this am not playing stuff so let's get behind the kid

01 Sep 2015 18:00:00
What a joke

01 Sep 2015 17:50:15
poor window ed with no cam no creativity yet again and even worse mcgeady still here

01 Sep 2015 17:40:36
Absolute joke of a window. The club is run by a team of clowns who care more about lining their own pockets. #kenwrightout #martinezout #elstoneout

01 Sep 2015 18:11:51
#SpekeBlueout

01 Sep 2015 17:19:55
So tired of all these negative moaners! Let's just sack Martinez and be done with it. At least then we won't have to listen to their rubbish for the next year.

I say 'year' because that's about how long it will take them to start whingeing about the next manager and until then they will just go back to moaning about the board and individual players instead.!

Honestly for days they say we don't spend enough then cry cause we spent 9.5m on a defender and even have the nerve to complain about not getting Van Dyk (spelling) in the same breath even though he woulda cost more!

Aaagghh! What incredibly sad lives some of you must live!! Fans maybe, Supporters not even close!! Moan, moan, moan!! Get a life people!! And you can disagree all you like!!

01 Sep 2015 17:37:47
Yea I agree aflm 78!

01 Sep 2015 17:50:03
Quite ironic to go on a four paragraph rant moaning about moaners classic, by the way don't come out and say we need 3 players for cb a nun 10 and striker then buy a u21 a unknown cb that has far from glowing references and a winger it makes no sense, have we improved are first team this summer? I'd said no

01 Sep 2015 17:53:00
We have also stood fast and not been bullied into selling Stones or Coleman.

01 Sep 2015 17:55:35
Your telling me you wouldn't have spent 2 million more to get van dijk from celtic.

01 Sep 2015 18:14:39
Ah! Mike the old you can't moan about the moaners because that means you're one too! How very childish of you!!

01 Sep 2015 18:51:08
Efcsean I'll answer that question in a couple of months when I have seen both of them in the premier league!

Van Dijk looked great playing against average players in Scotland and according to some people on here Mori looked average playing against great players in South America. That more or less tells us nothing about how either will do in England. So let's wait and see.

01 Sep 2015 17:14:49
is there any links to anyone of genuine quality yet? 1 hour left and I feel absolutely gutted by our dealings this window.

cleverley is at best a decent prem player.

holgate is very average according to barnsley fans.

only ever seen mori three times and he looked solid, but I remember watching him in the copa libertadores against cruzeiro and he really does lack pace, mayke destroyed him for pace all game and he's not exactly the quickest himself, think we have overspent by probably triple.

no nothing about rodrigues but his highlights look okay.

deulofeu is exciing but as inconsistent as mirallas if we are honest but was buttons so its a great signing potentially.

but all in all that's a disgraceful transfer window for us, we lack back up to coleman, and lukaku, we still have no creative midfielder yet overspend on an average defender who lacks pace while rejecting bids for naismith and mcgeady where the money could buy us what we need, feel proper miffed off by the club, find it strange we can't even compete with championship clubs for fees, more money than ever from the premier league and sky etc yet we are still skint?

01 Sep 2015 17:51:35
John Terry is slow didn't stop him from becoming one of the top defenders in the league, did it!?

01 Sep 2015 17:52:01
Mate we took a 20 million loan against next seasons tv deal I'm guessing that's just to survive.
What angers me is the club don't speak to us. If we are in the poo tell us, who knows it might unite us and make us get behind the team. We love backs against the wall scenarios.
Putting on a pretence with an exaggerated fee for a player we spent no more than 5 million on mori to make it seem like we have cash and taking the Stones not for sale stance whilst secretly taking a 20 million loan is not helpful and does nothing to quell the negativity of the fans to the club in general.
Just tell us how it is and we can then get on with our job of supporting rather than speculating abs moaning

01 Sep 2015 18:03:49
How do you know we took out a loan? If it had been that desperate and out in public knowledge we'd have had clubs crawling all over us, Stones would have been at Chelsea now and not at even £30 Million, McCarthy wouldn't have signed a new deal, Barkley and Coleman may well have also been hawked around.

01 Sep 2015 18:16:26
aflm78 you aren't serious are you mate? john terry at 24 had pace not much but enough, fuenes mori has none, i'm no expert on argentinian football but I watched almost all the copa liberatdores and wasnt impressed with mori, he reminded me of a mix between alcaraz and shawcross, no pace, okay with his feet but wins headers, yeah I get what youe saying svenny but doesn't the tv and prem money work ou to roughly 80 million a season? thas 160 million over the last two years yet we can't compete with championship clubs for fees, sheff wed able to offer 14 million for rhodes yet we end up with a way over priced mori at 9.5 there is clearly something fucking up somewhere

01 Sep 2015 18:38:55
Gos, it will be in the national press within a week. Clear evidence of serious underhand dealings. Involving offshore and also Irish signatories that have f all to do with everton or football on any level. West Ham are involved as well but seems their loan was to invest ours was to I hope stave off debtors worst case line pockets

01 Sep 2015 19:09:27
Diamond that's funny because South American football journalist says he has 'a decent turn of pace'. The difference is he gets paid to write about football and probably isn't full of Scrumpy every time he sits down to watch a match lol So excuse me for doubting your assessment!

Think I'll just wait and see for myself how fast or not he is! Cheers though! :)

01 Sep 2015 17:07:14
Worst deadline day ever. I hope this puts a stop to the nonsense of deadline day. Each league should not be able to buy players after they play their 1st league game. Secondly each European league should have a 2 week winter break which can be the other transfer window, again once the games start again you can't transfer players. End of.

01 Sep 2015 16:32:22
Transfer deadline day must be the biggest load of dross and hype ssn can promote, all the glamorous chicks Jim white prancing about, club to club reporters cannot save us from a few journeymen transfers for a couple of million or loan deals, yet again nationwide disappointment and let downs, who be a football fan?
See you in January!

{Ed025's Note - its worth watching though wakka just for hayley mcqueen, but i must admit jim white is a tit..

01 Sep 2015 16:52:49
that'll be 3 big tits then!

{Ed025's Note - love it sa..

01 Sep 2015 16:59:41
Kate Abdo Ed, amazing

You gone off your old fave now mate, Nat Sawyer

{Ed025's Note - i like them all degs (well the female ones) and i cant eat a mars bar without thinking of kirsty gallacher.. :)

01 Sep 2015 16:43:40
Definitely agree there Ed025!

01 Sep 2015 17:05:55
Their sister site must do a bit of business with people betting on what they see on this channel. Or am I just getting a touch cynical as I get older?

{Ed025's Note - no your dead right spud..

01 Sep 2015 15:45:51
Anyone else fancy joining me banging my head against the wall

{Ed025's Note - save me a space leachy.. :)

01 Sep 2015 16:05:31
Already done it Lennon take it or leave it does not bother me no 10 signing should of been key all summer Lukaku needs service he is not an aguero or Sanchez Costa, Lukaku does not have that ability can he score same amount as them yes but needs service and not just from wide areas we are lost when we can't break teams down like Man city game yes I know it was a top side but you need to be a threat against top sides as palace are and Swansea All should of been done to get Yarmolenko and it would of been a great window, and yet nothing improves the first 11

{Ed025's Note - i agree metz..

01 Sep 2015 16:20:06
It'll be more movement than the entire Everton board did today!

01 Sep 2015 16:42:14
we really do need a playmaker or to clarify that appears to be what us plebs believe. However, RM with his mid table aspirations does not think so.

01 Sep 2015 15:40:14
I know il probably be slated for this but I'd take a gamble on Jonathan Walters. I said it a few years ago that he's a pain in the ass for defenders, can score a few goals. 3 million for a squad player

01 Sep 2015 16:12:21
Jon Walters is rubbish

01 Sep 2015 15:01:30
I was content with the Mori signing until I just found out it cost us £9.5m! What the hell is going on? Why have we spent almost all of our very little money on an unknown, back up centre back who I doubt will have more impact than Alcaraz. Why has the Spanish fool still got a job?

01 Sep 2015 16:40:43
And how much did van dijk cost? Surely abetter option

{Ed002's Note - It doesn't work like that.}

01 Sep 2015 17:22:28
personally gutted about the mori deal as I don think he's all that good but made up we didn't go for van dijk he looked poor against scottish players nevermind premier league stars, he was ran ragged v malmo ffs, could be worse we could sign an ageing aaron lennon whos never scored goals consistently or got assists. atall, we have runners already what we need is quality

01 Sep 2015 14:13:46
like everyone getting annoyed, would anyone have a punt on adebayor (sorry if spelt wrong) he can score would he be good back up for lukaku get him with lennon

{Ed025's Note - one lazy sod john..so no..

01 Sep 2015 15:33:51
John not for me mate, the guy's form is totally bi polar!

01 Sep 2015 16:57:21
No no no

01 Sep 2015 13:13:31
Swan, think we'll just have to agree to disagree bout earlier comments. I don't like people putting Moyes down even though as I said myself he let himself and Everton down by some of his actions and some of the things he said after leaving Everton.

I disagree that he will go down as one of United's worst managers. Have you seen them since he left? Spent how many 100millions and are tham all better. You can be sure if Moyes spent that much they would be in better shape. I think Moyes will go down as one of Evertons best managers. I can't think of a manager that done so much to keep Everton away from relegation. That's the point really. Martinez inherited a very decent side because of Moyes. Martinez even admitted that himself.

I certainly think there is more of a chance Everton would get relegated under Martinez than with Moyes. We'll never know if anyone else could of done a better job than Moyes? That's because there isn't! Everton would never be relegated under Moyes. Came close yes but that goes back to what I said earlier that's the situation Moyes inherited when he came to Everton. Also nearly never done it 😊 Pitty the same can't be said for Martinez. The squad he left Wigan with is where now? I'm not knocking Martinez just stating facts.

Martinez will have to get Everton into chapions league regularly to improve on what Moyes done. No one will be happier than me if Martinez does the that.

He spent £9.5million on a defender today. 4th highest fee in Everton history

01 Sep 2015 13:59:36
thats how I see it,but YOU will get shot down by the martinez s phenomenal believers.wait to next season and see what they say then.

01 Sep 2015 14:00:21
Stop comparing Everton with Wigan please! Wigan are a small club in existence since the 70's it's incredible that they made it into the Premier League never mind stayed there for so long. So using that as a way of supporting an argument against Martinez is just absolute nonsense!

Apart from that I agree with everything you said about Moyes!

01 Sep 2015 14:32:47
I'm not a fan of Martinez and never wanted him as manager but what I would say is that the two managers had a different outlook about our club.

Moyes as you state was about avoiding relegation and getting over the 40 point mark whereas Martinez is about getting to top 4. In thought at least.

Moyes will never do extraordinary as a manager because he is and was too safe. The best managers take big risks and always think about winning.

Ste Naismith said as much about Moyes when he was manager that he had never been at a club that focused on not getting beat rather than thinking about the win.

So for me Moyes was perfect when we needed a manager to help us stay in the league but a Martinez type manager will help us get into the top 4 and challenge for honours. Although, I don't think Martinez is the answer.

To be fair both are good managers but in my opinion not great managers. I think the downfall for both is tactics one too negative the other too continental and slow.

This season we will see if Martinez can adapt his and will be his third season and final season if he can't. Moyes never adapted his in 10 years.

COYB NSNO

{Ed025's Note - good post that john mate..

01 Sep 2015 14:35:12
aflm 78 I'm not using it as an excuse to put Martinez down. I never really put him down. Simply stating when he was a manager of a club ( could be any club just happens to be Wigan) they were relegated under his management. Stating that as a fact and that Moyes never got Everton relegated, another fact. Talking about managers track records not clubs.

01 Sep 2015 14:45:20
I'm giving Martinez one more season to deliver on his champions league promise then will be calling for his head, but in my eyes he has taken us from a top 4th or 5th club to a mid table team.

for the £ Martinez has spend I except more, his scouting network is no where near the level it was under moyes and our best players are always linked with moves away from the club

01 Sep 2015 16:16:47
BlueJohnUns I agree a lot with what you say. Both are different managers. I like the way you say Moyes was perfect for the job he done and then say he wasn't a great manager! In my eyes any manager who done or does what Moyes done is a great manager.

You say Moyes was about getting 40 points and Martinez is about getting us into champions league? Are you having a laugh? Your missing one vital point only one of the two got Everton into the champions league. Yes David Moyes done that he finished 4th and got to champions league qualifier's in 2005 I think it was. Repeatedly got Everton into the Europa league after that. So how can you say he was aiming for 40 points sort of manager?

I will agree he was on the negative side. Martinez can afford to be more positive and play attractive football because of the situation he finds himself in. All of Everton's back 5 were signed by Moyes. let's see how Martinez does when he has a Goldie and 4 defenders that he brought. We'll see how positive the play is then.

Like I said before I'm not knocking Martinez I just haven't made up my mind on him yet. I'll be as glad as anyone if he improves things. We could be looking for a Moyes or as you put it Tony Pulis type manager. Or we could be in champions league. Anything less than champions league and I think Martinez hasn't improved things and wasted Moyes work over 10 years at Everton

01 Sep 2015 09:37:25
Morning Ed. busy day for you today. Plenty of coffee mate. Even though you might think you have an early finish we'll be posting good or bad way beyond 6pm.

{Ed025's Note - i know that ace, but i may be sloshed by then mate.. :)

01 Sep 2015 10:19:57
Happy with that Ed. nothing like a bit of Dutch courage to air your point of view.

01 Sep 2015 09:16:34
I really hope the reported fee for Mori is a joke. We are desperate for creativity but Martinez thinks it's a good idea to pay £9.5m on a back up centre back with no pace?
What on earth is going on at out club?

01 Sep 2015 09:41:31
How do you no he has no pace have you watched him wk in wk out

01 Sep 2015 09:48:30
.I seem to remember we paid nearly £7 million for a 31 yr old Distin not so long ago. if he turns out to be half as good, he'll of been a good buy!

01 Sep 2015 09:11:41
Everton fans moaning that we don't make signings and we don't spend money. Sign Mori for 9.5 million and twitter goes mental with people moaning about spending 9.5 million hahahaha some of our fans are so fickle! you are moaning about the lack of funds spent, if we spent £15million on Deulofeu people probably would of been happier! We got him for minimal fee, cleverly on a free is a shrewd signing! and looking likely we kept all our best players!! COYB!!!

01 Sep 2015 09:20:24
Totally agree mate, main thing here is we kept our best players

01 Sep 2015 10:40:41
Agreed surely its a statement of intent! shame we weren't so stated when it came to Payet!

01 Sep 2015 08:14:45
Yarmolenko looks likely to our neighbours, grown men shouldn't cry but if this happens I will

01 Sep 2015 08:35:01
They are not interested mate, just paper talk. Doubt he will move, heard people say he is messing lots of clubs around chasing the biggest paycheck. But you never know.

01 Sep 2015 09:13:46
Crazy for them to let him go on a free next year though Swan, must have lots of oil money to burn mate

01 Sep 2015 06:14:23
not a transfer rumour for us but lescot to wba for 1m
another player who wanted out to further his career! lol
it just cheers me up first thing of a morning that's all.

hope were all buzzing by 18:00. COYB.

01 Sep 2015 08:20:19
Yep but Lescott has won league titles and fa cups with U.S. he'd have won nout!
He's near end of career

31 Aug 2015 21:01:17
If the quote from the dynamo Kiev president is true, and he would have sold
Yarmalenko to us if we had come for him earlier, it begs the question why we waited till the last minute. any ideas eds?

31 Aug 2015 22:38:52
Right, I'm going to try and be optimistic here. Still hoping for a Marquee signing. Martinez has said all along that we have money to spend (Surely he would have just said nothing if this wasn't true) so let's just wait and see. If we haven't got as big a budget as other teams it actually makes sense to leave it late, announce a deal and get it through before anyone can gazump us. Whether we have actually done this will only be known at 18:01 tomorrow so let's keep the faith until then. I'm still cautiously optimistic. COYB!!

31 Aug 2015 22:22:26
Everyone talking about Lenon being our last signing and to be honest I think we probably will get him but not cause we need him I mean how many wingers does one team need? But Martinez said 3 more players and he's available. Don't get me wrong he did ok while he was here but now we have signed Del Boy he's the last thing we need!
We have got a midfield full of work horses and wingers the same as last year and the year before we need desperately a midfield play maker, we create very little chances and that needs to change cause if it doesn't we will stand still or worse like last season go backwards