Everton Banter Archive April 20 2018

20 Apr 2018 19:47:01
Just realized we are actually now mathematically safe from relegation with Southampton's draw the other night so Now Allardyce has no excuse for any negative tactics, let's see what we get on Monday night.

20 Apr 2018 23:15:06
I don't think they'll be any changes if there's no injuries Al same team same tactics not looking forward to Monday night.

21 Apr 2018 07:31:53
his first thought will be don't lose so Newcastle don't go ahead of us i really feel for Tosun he has gone from beskitas who play attacking football to the crap Sam has us playing just what he is meant to to up top on his own baffles me the sooner Sam is shown the door the better.

21 Apr 2018 09:59:40
I'd be happy to play it safe, get this season out of the way in a ok ish position, those few places we could drop is probably worth a few million. pay sam off with it and start again.

21 Apr 2018 10:43:19
I see the rest of the season as something of a watershed. On truth our season is done. We will play nobody who would remotely justify negativity. It is time for Allardyce to show that he is capable of setting up as side which is at least attempting to play and not just stop.

21 Apr 2018 12:26:10
Never going to happen. He doesn't understand anything but 'avoid defeat'

20 Apr 2018 18:49:40
Wouldn't Wenger go upstairs. He's been at Arsenal for god knows how long. Surely he deserves a seat.

21 Apr 2018 15:11:51
Would make sense. He deserves it.

20 Apr 2018 13:58:37
Even though I'm a young blue never seeing a trophy lifted or a win at Anfield aha, I feel like this season has really grasped what I want for our club. The football has been dire and the footballing side of the club seems to be going in the wrong direction. I've said it before and I know some don't agree but I just feel a young ambitious manager so either Fonseca, Howe or Arteta are our best chance of creating identity and showing ambition for the future. All with styles of play that we recognise and get behind. Arteta has no experience granted but like some have suggested with a Wenger type figure to support him, I think we could have a much better season and start to build. Success obviously won't be instant and we need to give whoever comes in time.

20 Apr 2018 18:05:49
We gave moyes time and also to some extent Martinez. Toffees will always give a manager time if they see a progression, a goal to aim for.
If we look to be going backwards or not making an effort then that is when toffees will not stand for it.
I think Sam has lost the fans and the players and at the end of the season he will have to depart. Sometimes in life you just have to accept you're beat.

20 Apr 2018 18:39:31
Martinez got the time because he made Everton his own, that's what I loved about him. Allardyce never had the fans but see what you're saying Smit.

20 Apr 2018 18:48:25
You say that rubbish about giving time. But that was purely under Bill. Now Moshiri is in charge it seems a little more ruthless. So I don't know.

20 Apr 2018 18:59:40
Why was 'rubbish' replaced with smit hahaha.

20 Apr 2018 19:05:53
Damn got that wrong I meant why was smit replaced with 'rubbish. '

20 Apr 2018 19:48:29
Yeah yeah Mowfee 🤣.

21 Apr 2018 01:20:53
Perhaps your autocorrect knows something you don’t know? 🤔.

20 Apr 2018 13:24:37
Not an endorsement or a wish, but a random thought.

With Moshiri and Usmanov's ties to Arsenal, would we see Wegner as a DOF and Arteta as Manager?

Just wondering (I have no opinion on this, so I would love to be enlightened) .

20 Apr 2018 13:56:46
I was thinking this too. I think it would be an excellent idea. I can't see it happening though.

20 Apr 2018 18:09:44
That's the equivalent of saying because Sam is our manager can we have gravy sold with our pies.

20 Apr 2018 12:27:17
anyone getting a tad concerned about how allrdyce is talking? pre season games organised etc? obviously he's not going to come out and say nothing is planned etc but don't know just seems very involved, surely if the plan is to not have him involved we don't let him chose where we are going.

20 Apr 2018 12:59:47
Unfortunately Wblue these things have to be planned ahead of the summer and the person in charge has to be the one planning them.
Koeman will have had to put up with Martinezs summer planning when he came in as most of the preseason will have been planned long before Martinez was shown the door.

20 Apr 2018 19:38:39
and remember pre-season is shorter this year with the World Cup.

20 Apr 2018 11:28:25
Since Wenger is going that also includes our Fonseca chance. God dammit. I never say never but why would he come to us over Arsenal. Silva it is then. Again damn.

20 Apr 2018 12:08:50
Who says arsenal are even considering fonseca? Chelsea will also be looking for a manager will he be going there also?

20 Apr 2018 10:32:34
How long till the wenger to everton rumours start?

20 Apr 2018 10:46:20
He would be a major improvement to what we have now .

20 Apr 2018 10:33:58
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Football-Rumours Editors Premier League Season Awards

20 Apr 2018 07:12:31
If the people moaning on here saying sending the survey is bad then I'm guessing you want Allerdyce to stay. If not then surely it's a good thing. You now get to voice your opinion. If Everton said "Ooh better not send it out this year because fans don't want him here" Then you know something has to be done and you shouldn't just send out surveys when times are good. Either abolish the survey for good or it stays a yearly thing. Mind you I think they released it a little too early. The answers back good or bad is a distraction. There's still 12 points left so with a lot of luck going our way we could still make Europe. I really wouldn't hold your breath though.

20 Apr 2018 07:41:26
I don't want Sam at our club and never have done. However, the way we have done this survey lacks class. You don't need a survey to know what we all think.

Instead we are now getting slagged off on radio stations, tv programs amd in every paper.

Your reputation as a club helps bring managers, players and sponsors. We are starting to look amateurish and naive.

20 Apr 2018 08:22:51
All this hysteria about the survey is pointless, stupid idea to do it during the season when the media have nothing else to do but hype it up to try to sell their wares. On the plus side n six months time we will all be wondering what all the fuss was about.

20 Apr 2018 08:40:22
I don't think anyone who has read my previous posts on this site could say I am a supporter of Big Sam - far from it- but this survey isn't the best way to gauge fans opinions of him or even the board.
AS BJU says we lack class with this and the whole running of the club, perception by others (including potential targets) is damaged by it.
If the board need surveys like this to know what fans are thinking then god help us.

20 Apr 2018 08:57:39
Just one other point. Southampton's draw last might means we are mathematically safe from relegation. Burnley are 10 pints ahead of us with 4 games to go so Europe is a pipe dream in my opinion.
It's time for the baord to act now and get rid of Sam and move on a replacement.

20 Apr 2018 08:58:19
Not look at surveys.

20 Apr 2018 10:32:39
There is no need to sack SA now. Especially if we are concerned with how we look as a club. The work to get a new manager can be done in the background which will make us look less desperate and avoid another mess like we had when we appointed SA.

20 Apr 2018 11:10:28
The point I was trying to make Toffee Ace is that the club should already have been working on a replacement for SA. I was hoping that one of the reasons they haven't announced anything was to make sure that we were completely safe.
We are now and the sooner we can announce something the better for the club and its supporters, us. Otherwise you are right, we will be in another mess.

20 Apr 2018 12:25:42
Fair point bw mate.

20 Apr 2018 12:35:52
The club may not want to sack a man they gave an 18 month contract to. The club may not be looking for a replacement for SA at all. The survey may show that the majority of the fans think he has done a good job in avoiding relegation so the board may decide to stick with their choice of manager until his contract finishes. SA staying may all depend on season ticket sales for next season, if the club hit their sales targets then why waste money terminating a contract early when supporters are happy to buy their tickets anyway.

20 Apr 2018 12:37:15
As we are supposedly 'The People's Club' I don't see anything wrong with sending out surveys. As it was pointed out one was sent out last year with little to no press attention because we were all happy with Koeman at the time. For me, I think we as paying fans have the right to an opinion. The fact is, Sam Allardyce is not wanted by the majority of fans at this club. I refuse to believe that his 36% win ratio is good enough. I refuse to believe that only he could have kept us up, I think Unsworth or practically anyone could have this season with the poor standard below us in the league. Going a month without a shot on target is woeful by any teams standards. Find a replacement, sack Sam and be done with this season.

20 Apr 2018 06:10:07
So, according to Sam Allardyce's own words in his press conference, he spoke with the chairman (that's Bill Kenwright, not Farhad Moshiri) and received an apology for the survey that was sent out. Wow! Does the gravy-guzzler's arrogance know no bounds? Does Kenwright have no self-respect or understanding of the fans' feelings and no grip of the leadership our club desperately needs? Does no one in our club actually speak with anyone else before issuing surveys or redesigning badges or making club announcements? Our club is being run by a bunch of cowboys!
I quite liked Bill Kenwright - despite the criticism from many fans about his inability to take Everton forward - but if he really did apologise on this occasion, then that's the tipping point as far as I'm concerned.
The sooner Allardyce leaves the better as far as I'm concerned - but I fear that he will remain for next season and all the speculation about a new manager and a new DoF are just meaningless hot air. The current silence from the club is deafening.
If Moshiri does not wrestle total control from the current hierarchy (Kenwright, etc) , then I fear we'll never challenge to be a "big" club again. Also, it's absolutely vital imho that Moshiri gets sound advice from the right people and he ditches the old-school of self-serving no-hopers who see him as as an easy touch for fees and commissions on footballing matters. (I still believe that he's personally sound on non-footballing business matters. )
How soon before the fans become really vocal and the Goodison atmosphere becomes as toxic as it finally was for Martinez - and was becoming for Koeman?
I expect nothing but loyalty and support from the fans when we play NUFC, but I can foresee a lot of discontent if the team serves up another pathetic Allardyce-designed performance. Win, lose or draw, his post-match comments will be as cringeworthy as always and the fans' post-match fume will be ferocious.
So, fellow fans, is there any hope for our club OR are we another former "big" club that has been mismanaged to a point where we've settled for mediocrity (or worse! ) and are content just to stay in the Premier League for the money?
Our history does NOT entitle us to anything - we have to work on and off the field to improve - but we must aim for glory or what's the bloody point?

{Ed0333's Note - I truly feel your pain mate. Your in exactly the same situation as we were in with Roy Hodgson. My antipathy towards our manager was so profound you can’t imagine. The silver lining is that crappy managers don’t stay long but while they are here it’s excrutiating. I very much doubt Sam Allardyce will be given one of the most seminal transfer budgets in your history. It would be more prudent to pay off your baboon of a manager than for him to squander million of pounds in the summer.

20 Apr 2018 13:24:49
As an outsider looking in, all I could see with the Roy thing was: LFC fans too proud to crucify King K and blame all his atrocious work on the next manager. Roy.

I know none LFC fans were laughing at the joke that was KK return and then slightly sympathetic to the flack Roy was getting.

I don't know many (except some LFC mates who love that we've got BS) football fans who think we've given BS too harsh a time.
I've never had so much stick from my mates as I have this season.

I'm not saying Roy was the right fit but KK splurged money on rubbish and then buggered off. Back 5o the history books he should never have left.