Everton Banter Archive January 20 2018

20 Jan 2018 23:31:07
Schneiderlin played for France 15 times. You can't play for France 15 times and be a bad player. You can be devoid of all confidence to the extent that it is detrimental to both you and the side to keep on playing you.

21 Jan 2018 00:04:26
That's what I said to the father in law today at the game, its like a full 360 in 12 months, when he came this time last year he was like a Rolls Royce, purring from midfield passing, tackling, controlling the midfield and supporting the back line, this season, he has been woeful and like a Peugeot 206 rather than a Rolls Royce, is it a confidence thing? Maybe it is, but that's up to the manager to take the pressure off the player by dropping/ resting him to sort his head out, he is human after all.
He has been an international after all and he needs to lift his head up and play the simple pass when it's on, maybe he's had the confidence coached out of him or maybe its us at the ground that have shattered the confidence, whoever or whatever has happened, the fella needs dropping to sort his head out.

21 Jan 2018 09:03:39
I have to say, I had not really noticed his development when we signed him. But when we did sign him I thought. "how the hell did he play for France? " . not once but 15 times? The player I have watched is morelike a crab than a footballer. as in always sideways. He is often caught out of position. Martina does not contribute to going forwards. in fact is a hinderance when he is given the ball. Kenny looks like he will be a fine footballer, but now is making so many mistakes and giving the ball away. Williams as everybody else points out is slow and can't run with the ball. So that is 3 of our regular defenders unable to bring the ball out of defence or be involved to any extent. Add that to our squad full of players with few goals in them and there lies our problem. I don't think it is down to Sam Allergy. its down to poor players. Baines and Coleman fit would improve us. As would a few more signings in the age group of 24-28.ie with experience. A couple more goalscorers too. But I think the best we can hope for is mid table for a few seasons.

20 Jan 2018 20:26:36
I don't agree that the problem is the players. The problem is that whatever manager we have we continue to play Schneiderlin and Martinez. It's then like playing with nine men and the others have to come back and support them. Don't tell me that we don't have any options. Davies is better than Schjneiderlin and we don't need to play two defensive midfielders at home against bottom three teams. Move Kenny to left-back and Holgate to right-back, can't be any worse.

20 Jan 2018 21:47:44
BM carry on with that type of talk and they will ban you from the ground mate.

20 Jan 2018 20:45:37
This season with our managers is getting stranger and STRANGER. I'm at a loss with this constant change of players that seem unnecessary but ones that need changing stay in the team.

Holgate has been awful lately and the Derby seems to have taken it's toll on him. He was poor again today.

Keane has a MOM performance and gets dropped.

Lookman changes the game against Liverpool and gets dropped.

Walcott comes in, we want to be on the front foot and dominate against a very poor WBA and drops Bolasie putting in Vlasic. Why?

Plus why do we keep playing with two DCM?

Why can't we play a 442? We are the most predictable team in the EPL!

The personnel might change but the set up is the same in every game!

Why are we defensive at HOME!

Why don't we TRY another bloody LB?

Why do our managers not see the bloody obvious problems with our team!

I'm sorry for Mccarthy today and he's a better option for me than Snids but they are both similar as neither are good going forward. Davies and Gana offer so much more and have more than the one dimension.

If we have problems getting men in the box you need these two AND TRY TWO UP FRONT!

FFS!

20 Jan 2018 21:04:03
Good post that mate.

20 Jan 2018 21:15:47
Spot on BJ. It really isn't rocket science. A settled team has a chance to develop. This constant chopping and changing doesn't help anyone.

20 Jan 2018 21:19:38
I wonder what they actually do at Finch Farm through the week because they act like a bunch of strangers on the pitch!
The 2 DM baffles me as they offer nothing going forward and nothing defensively, why not a flat midfield 4, a box to box midfielder in either Gueye or Davies next to Sigs with Lookman left wing and Walcott right wing and 2 up top Niasse and Tosun, play Keane and Jags at CB, Kenny RB and Joel Robles LB because he surely can't be any worse than Coco the clown, but hey BJU what do we know we only pay to watch this tripe!

20 Jan 2018 21:23:54
One should have dropped back in the gaping gap for their goal like barry would have done.

20 Jan 2018 19:32:33
If we manage to stay up, big clear out in the summer required most of the team are simply not good enough.

20 Jan 2018 19:45:22
Some are not good enough, some are good squad players, some are young players/ new to the Premier League but have a lot of potential and some have real quality.

Unfortunately most that do have quality are not showing it due to a varying mix of form, confidence, passion or the style of football that Allardyce is playing doesn't suit them.

A few of this squad will be gone in this window and a few more in the summer no matter what happens but if things continue like this for much longer I think Allardyce will probably be joining them out the door too.

20 Jan 2018 19:51:16
Not sure we’d get much of a return on our players, however that’s not our problem.

20 Jan 2018 20:04:50
Out: Williams, jags, Baines, Lennon, snederlin, Martina, Besic.

20 Jan 2018 20:45:56
Mondomac,

I think Baines and Jags probably still have squad level ability but shouldn't be our first choices next year. Perhaps the best thing would be if they wanted to leave in the summer to play regular football (assuming we get a new left back and a new centre back! ) . I know there is no room for sentiment but it would be a shame to push them out of the club after so many years of quality service.

Williams, Lennon, Martina and Besic I agree with.

Schneiderlein is a weird one. The Schneiderlein of this year should be first out the door but the Schneiderlein that first arrived was a very good player. We might find it extremely difficult to offload him as his wages are so high but I guess Allardyce is hoping he can rediscover the 2016/ 17 Schneiderlein otherwise he wouldn't keep picking him.

I am hoping the likes of Klassen, Sandro, Vlasic, Lookman and Keane can establish themselves. I hope we keep hold of all of them for at least another 12-18 months and that they get regular gametime and a genuine opportunity to show their worth as there is real potential in all of them although I am not sure Allardyce has the patience to persevere with them. If I were in there shoes I might be looking to leave anyway as (other than Keane who has suits Allardyce but has been truly shocking this year) none of them are particularly suited to Allardyces style of football.

20 Jan 2018 22:20:30
Allardyce will not play them. Why would he? He keeps going on about how the team he plays doesn't do What he asks then to do. But still persists to play them. What good manager Continues with that? We have enough quality players to win games. We need a new manager because this one cannot find a balance and command a performance from the team.

20 Jan 2018 22:30:23
Honestly. Who out of our team aren't good enough for the prem?

20 Jan 2018 23:47:12
Tofeebud, I agree with you regarding jags and Baines great servants and can still make impact from bench. i'm just so frustrated by the way we are playing. When I see Williams in team (how he is captain is beyond me) i just know we are in trouble along with Martina holy God have we no one else in under 21 team. As for snederlin he has never done a tap for us so I don’t get your point there. Hope fully when we get Coleman and Keane back we will steady the ship.

20 Jan 2018 18:32:05
some rags saying we are enquiring about Rahman from Chelsea and Van Aarnort spelling.

{Ed002's Note - The Rahman interest led ironically to Tosun joining.}

20 Jan 2018 20:40:00
How’s did that come about ed?

{Ed002's Note - Both clubs were at meetings with Chelsea about transfers at the same time. I did mention it when it happened.}

21 Jan 2018 09:17:01
Cheers ed.

21 Jan 2018 09:17:01
Cheers ed.

20 Jan 2018 17:57:29
Could somebody please explain to me what I have just witnessed?
That was beyond awful, the hoof balls from the back, what is the point in playing any midfielder if we bypass them with hoof balls, and a big congratulations to Morgan Schneiderlein, you have fooled 2 managers into thinking your a footballer and add to that your inability to pass to unmarked players has caused a serious injury to a team mate covering your mistake.
I actually give up moaning now, we are poor and that's what we will be until the end of the season so might as well accept it, I mean today we come away with an undeserved point at home to West Brom at home, enough said.

20 Jan 2018 18:08:14
Simple answer Blue. We have a squad of 33 players. Too many I hear everyone say. Well. Big Sam will only pick from 18 max of these. Why aren't these closed door games played until we have a balance of a team that can attack and defend. Instead of reeling out a similar concoction of the preferred 18 every game.

Finally we play siggy as a 10 but then play Vlasic out of position and put Schneiderlin back in! Rooney had his best performance deeper but where is he? On the bench. Genius.

Don't tell me we have 33 players who are rubbish.
We need a manager who can knit this group together.

20 Jan 2018 18:34:43
Let's not be negative. Let's get brhind Sam.

20 Jan 2018 18:50:39
And here was me thinking we didn't have to be negative at home to West Brom, or should I say more hope than expectation, but Glennk you were right my friend and the play today backed up your point.

20 Jan 2018 19:15:31
I am struggling Glenn.

20 Jan 2018 17:40:41
Here's a radical idea, why not play two strikers at home. I know it means we might get more shots on goal, but hey let's have a go. I remember watching Sharpe and Grey play as a forward two, and they didn't do to bad.

20 Jan 2018 17:46:58
We’re still in to defensive mode, even at home and to a rubbish side. SA needs to read some of these posts to get an idea of how to set up his team at home, if not he’s history come the end of the season.

20 Jan 2018 17:30:36
Quite possibly this is the worse Everton Team (collectively) I have seen for some (many) years. Can someone please explain the thinking behind playing Scheiderlin and Martina. One is woefully out of form and the other wouldn't make a Sunday League Team. I pay my money and expect to see a Team that fights/ tries. Even the so-called bad Everton sides had grit and fight but this present lot ZIP.

20 Jan 2018 17:44:25
It comes to something when the supporters are trying to direct the players in to positions. I could hear the frustration from the supporters on the commentary.

{Ed025's Note - i heard nothing except swearing from me..

20 Jan 2018 17:22:08
Why don't are players run into space an fill the gaps its pathetic to watch loads blaming martina the hole team was terrible the fans have to guid the players to were to run what a joke and why take tosun off play 2 up top we wer losing god help us
We need a lb rb cb cm we are all over the place no shape no effort.

20 Jan 2018 17:00:16
Holgate should go back to the under 23s, and Matina well just awful.

{Ed025's Note - to be honest GB there were a lot out there worse than martina..., siggy for one..

20 Jan 2018 17:10:56
Yeh Ed the subs made a difference thon mate.

{Ed025's Note - thank god mate..

20 Jan 2018 16:25:33
I’m not at the game so I guess I’ll take some stick for this but the atmosphere is absolutely nonexistent. Understand that we’re poor but come on some encouragement could lift the team to do something.

20 Jan 2018 16:44:02
Works both ways though mate.

20 Jan 2018 17:09:54
Yep, guess so. A point, and fortunately for us the others below also lost points. No good this, my heart can’t take it.

20 Jan 2018 16:13:50
Seems whoever we bring in nothing changes. Thank god there are worse teams than us in the league.

{Ed025's Note - really???...can you name one?..

20 Jan 2018 16:32:26
Palace, Stoke, Huddersfield, Swansea.

{Ed025's Note - no,no,no...and no..

20 Jan 2018 16:57:54
Agree with Woburn.

20 Jan 2018 16:59:56
Ed I know we are shocking, but honestly the players are there. Sam just won’t play them. He seems to have an aversion to flair players, and so fills the team with grafters.
We should never ever play two holding midfielders when we are at home. Hopefully we are already looking for the next manager, because Sam is not the answer.

{Ed025's Note - i cant stand watching us woburn..

20 Jan 2018 17:02:36
Oh and Newcastle.

{Ed025's Note - again no..

20 Jan 2018 17:32:45
Now that we do agree on.

20 Jan 2018 15:58:30
We could have Pep in charge and we would still get beat! - we are very lucky that the game is still in sight as WB could have scored 3 at least

Hopefully the second half sees an improvement.

20 Jan 2018 16:24:05
This is turning into an especially bad day.

20 Jan 2018 16:31:34
. if not for the random bag of surprises that is Oumar Niasse!

20 Jan 2018 15:50:37
It seems like the more money we spend the worse we get.

{Ed025's Note - its our midfield tit...all really crap..

20 Jan 2018 16:11:14
I agree completely, 2 dm's with no creatovity and wonder why we play infront of the teams defense with no purpose or penetration.

20 Jan 2018 15:39:57
Take arguably our best player and our top goal scorer out the team and expect to have more than a shot on target in the first half at Home against a lame West Brom side (this is how bad it's got) . Sams obv had his beer goggles on again starting with arguably our worst player and worst candidate for left back in the team #rollonthesummer.

20 Jan 2018 15:12:47
I absolutely detest football from the bottom of my heart and soul! Why do i do this to myself?!

20 Jan 2018 15:28:21
Got a team that struggles to score? An away record that's becoming embarrassing? Or a player that needs to find form or even in some cases has never scored before? Then come to Goodison and we'll sort em out for you. Sorry to be negative, but we've been seeing things like that happen since Martinez and I'm frankly sick of it. Thanks for trying Big Sam, but I'm going to start work on a shrine to Paulo Fonseca right this minute.

20 Jan 2018 14:06:48
Well not a bad line up; just Martina still in the team coyb's let's get a win today.

20 Jan 2018 14:18:53
Agreed, although interestingly no Lookman, DCL or Tom Davies in the matchday squad.

20 Jan 2018 14:31:40
Only Guy we can put there Zulu although the mad thought I had was to try Schnids there to free up a space in the middle, could do a lot worse and might do better at left back.

20 Jan 2018 14:38:19
Dont understand the line up me. Scneid over Gana is bonkers, ya get 90min out of Gana he's vital, ya get no mins out of Schneid. Why Walcott n Vladic, they're both right sided?! someone will be out of place. Only good thing is Siggy in centre at last!

20 Jan 2018 14:38:51
Schneiderlin moves less than Martina lol.

20 Jan 2018 14:39:57
So West Brom to do all there attacking down our left. This just means that Vlasic will spend all the game covering Martina. Garbutt must have done something to piss Sam off?

20 Jan 2018 15:37:15
Seems that Garbutt has done something to piss every manager off. Seem to vaguely recall something ages ago about him and his agent having a row with Martinez about a contract dispute, when Garbutt after only playing a few senior starts.

20 Jan 2018 12:10:49
Meanwhile in Norway, Liverpool fan names daughter YNWA. You really couldn't make this up.

goo.gl/tj9js

20 Jan 2018 12:55:36
Imagine calling your son UTFT!

20 Jan 2018 13:56:51
Best part of the article is how he has never been to Anfield!

20 Jan 2018 07:41:17
Team sheet today
Pickford
Kenny holgate jags garbutt
Gueye McCarthy
Walcott sig bolasie
Tosun.

20 Jan 2018 07:57:20
Good side that zulu.

Only change for me would be Keane for jags, if he is fit.

{Ed025's Note - he will play rooney geoff..

20 Jan 2018 08:01:13
Pending Garbutts registration of course.

20 Jan 2018 08:35:50
Ed, bet he starts Walcott on the bench with Rooney (10) and siggy left. He'll be losing fans if he doesn't start playing players in best positions. Siggy should be 10 over Rooney all day long. Rooney should drop to a 6 or 8, a la west ham game.

{Ed025's Note - i expect theo to start geoff but i think your right it will be with rooney and sggy, i want rooney to play a lot deeper...on the bench to be exact..

20 Jan 2018 10:31:04
Rooney left back. And by that i mean left back in the changing room.

20 Jan 2018 11:05:52
Hi ed, i agree with that, Rooney only seems to have 20 mins per game left in him, we need to use him off the bench now, he could be a goal getter off the bench though.

{Ed025's Note - i dont have a problem with that Dgold..

20 Jan 2018 12:04:42
Id like to start seeing Lookman coming on more for Bolasie now. My opinion is nothing is going to really happen for us this season now so think we should really be setting up with what we'll be keeping for next season, kind of like a long, long pre season so we can start the new season running.

{Ed025's Note - i would say we should get safe first kingo then we can start thinking about mixing it up a bit mate..

20 Jan 2018 12:55:55
Do you really still think we're in the mix of it all (genuine question, not being cocky) ? I reckon we've got the 8-10th position with the players we have now. Nothing spectacular, but as i say, hopefully we can fully prep next years squad ready with what is already here.

20 Jan 2018 13:17:15
Think we will need the physical presence of Williams and the height of Keane to defend set pieces against WBA!
But would prefer
PICKFORD
KENNY WILLIAMS KEANE GARBUTT
MCARTHY
BOLASIE SIGGY GUEYE WALCOTT
TOSUN.

20 Jan 2018 13:40:51
I wonder if SA might be looking to go 4-1-4-1 formation

Pickford
Kenny Holgate. Williams/ Jags Garbutt (if available)
McCarthy/ Gueye (one of them)
Bolasie. Sig Rooney. Walcott
Tosun.

20 Jan 2018 05:46:28
{Ed's Note - we have posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 20th January 2018

20 Jan 2018 00:10:55
Just watching an interview on PL Daily on Sky with Ross Barkley and he has just said he sees himself as a box to box midfielder, if I wasn't already lying down I think I would have fell over!
I came to Chelsea to play with world class players to win trophies and to prove I'm a world class player, sorry Ross, tell the truth, you went down South to get away from the trouble you caused for yourself, I may sound bitter, but really box to box midfielder, my 4 year old tackles better than this muppet.
Good luck winning trophies Ross, maybe winning them at a team that didn't buy their titles will have been more of an achievement, you will be found out at your so called 'bigger' club.
Anyways rant over and back to the important business that is Everton FC, we do not choose we are chosen, those that understand need no explanation, those that don't do not matter, remember this Mr Barkley as now, you do not matter.

20 Jan 2018 01:53:40
Maybe that's how he thinks he plays in his head BG, but he seems to forget we used to watch how he played week in/ out. I am struggling to see how he improves what Chelsea already have.

20 Jan 2018 11:07:35
Drinkwater is better than him!

20 Jan 2018 11:35:42
The thing is Blue, if not box to box he is still a good player.

20 Jan 2018 13:09:02
Who’s Ross Barkley? Who cares anymore?

20 Jan 2018 14:15:56
Ross is gone move on.