Everton Banter Archive July 20 2018

20 Jul 2018 20:06:33
I have quietly read everyone's comments on here for a few weeks. And everyone has been complaining about the lack of signings, and I have had my concerns but now we are on the brink of a quality signing that Silva brings the best out of and we may be paying over the odds but please let's just enjoy the new era and stop picking faults. Sometimes I feel the board can not win. Let's enjoy the ride guys.

20 Jul 2018 21:10:48
You are right there mate, some fans are so fickle.

20 Jul 2018 21:35:42
True boys. The other lot just paid 75m euros for a keeper and are not moaning. A player is worth what a club will pay for him. So let's just let the club get on with it. After all it doesn't cone out of our bank balances.

{Ed025's Note - spot on geoff..

20 Jul 2018 22:03:11
Agreed - some posters will moan regardless. Yes it’s a lot of money - but no one bats an eyelid if Utd, City, Chelsea or the other lot dish out 50 or 60 mill for a player. Keita, Fred, Jorginho. at least we know Richarlison can hack the Prem and is younger than the lot of em.

20 Jul 2018 22:12:51
I’m excited by Richarlison, especially given he WANTS to come to us, geoffjohno in all fairness to them lot, they have just lost the CL final due to not having a keeper and are buying a WC international (something we have already) 😁. Basically they will have handed 100mil to Roma for Salah and Allison so credit where it’s due, but Richarlison could be an absolute fantastic signing and I for one am happy,

20 Jul 2018 22:37:42
Funny that they probably scouted Alisson in the 2 games they banged 7 past him and thought 'that guy picks the ball out the net better than Karius, let's have him'.

{Ed025's Note - love it john..

20 Jul 2018 23:01:45
Funniest post I’ve read in ages BJU!

20 Jul 2018 19:51:48
When are people going to stop looking at what fees are being paid, it got out of control years ago, if the player produces good performances and it helps improve the team then cost is irrelevant, yes Watford are putting price high but just maybe this could be a sweetener to build relationship again remember this is still an ongoing dispute over silva and 2 clubs have been trying to sort compensation of some sort it's not something Moshiri wants to drag on with.
But that's my take on why £50m looks high.

20 Jul 2018 20:12:58
Remember the begining of the season Richarlison scored 5 times in the first 12 games under Silva. When rumours started about Silva coming to us, Silva's interest in Watford subsided maybe that effected Richarlison if that interest in Silva never materialised who knows what them two could of achieved, remember Watford were flying at the beginning of last season. I say let's get him never mind the price.

20 Jul 2018 21:08:05
I think it's too much of a coincidence. He was weighing in with hateful of assists too. Pretty sure he had man of the match performances too. Man Utd were reportedly up for him.

I think he probably believed Silva would have signed as manager and he would have followed (If reports at the time are true) as was clearly discussed. Must have made life pretty awkward at Watford after that. i'm sure he would have been due a natural dip in form anyway being a young new player to the Epl. I think he's a quality player that will own the left for us.

{Ed025's Note - lets hope so mate...if we can get it over the line of course..

20 Jul 2018 21:42:56
The lad is a rolls Royce and only 21. He excites me more than Malcom because he has power, pace and knowledge of the EPL.

He murdered us last season at home all by himself and upfront and at the back.

20 Jul 2018 22:13:40
Loads of players have murdered us over the years without bring class bolasie springs to mind.

20 Jul 2018 19:03:09
IF this Richarlison deal goes ahead with a lot of the reliable journalists now saying it will, I think as fans we need to forget about the money. For most of my 17 years we never had it and we complained about that, now we have it and we're still complaining. Need to remember the money isn't actually ours. Might be a lot of money but if Marco and Marcel think he's worth it then I'm behind them. He's young, played great football under Silva and I think is a signing to get us excited. I reckon the fee won't be that high but we do need to consider the compensation battle. Hopefully we'll see Richarlison and a couple more in blue at finch farm soon blues.

20 Jul 2018 19:23:23
I disagree about the money thing as it does matter; the more we spend on one is the less we spend on another as we don't have an endless well of money. Found the complaining about not having money now complaining still really funny and a good point.

20 Jul 2018 19:35:32
If he comes expect Bolasie and lookman to go.

20 Jul 2018 19:53:01
In an indeal situation, I’d let Bolasie leave and potentially Vlasic on loan and have Walcott Lookman and Richarlison vying for the wings. After all, we need competition for places and it’s a long season smit mate.

20 Jul 2018 21:10:47
Vlasic isn't good enough.

20 Jul 2018 14:27:17
One has to ask why Brands was recruited in the first place? It was not to recruit mediocre players, or over the hill players, at over inflated transfer fees and wages. Been there, done that. I also don't believe that he will spend much energy going after players who the top European teams seek to recruit since we have little or no chance of recruiting this type of players even if we offer overly inflated transfer fees and wages.
Brands was recruited to identify unpolished gems who can be purchased at realistic transfer fees and who will accept realistic wages. He was also recruited to work with the manager to identify weaknesses in the squad and recruit players who will improve the squad while transferring out those players who do not, for whatever reason, meet the managers requirements. The players Brands brings in do not necessarily have to be world class players but ones that can have a positive benefit to the team and squad and can play the type of football required by the manager. At the moment we have an unbalanced squad and Brands must correct that problem as soon as possible.
Silva on the other hand IMHO was brought in to get the players playing good, attractive, attacking team football rather than a bunch of individuals, most of whom had little or no idea of how they needed to play or what there role in the team was meant to be. Each player has to be instructed about their role in the team effort and what is expected of them with no ambiguity so that they know what to do in every facet of the game. They have to be well drilled in the type of football the manager wants to play and they have to be competent to be able to carry out the managers instructions. Those who are not capable or who are not willing to play his style will be transferred out.
Silva will work with Brands to bring in the players who can play his style of football and who can add balance and improve the squad. Again these new recruits have to be excellent team players who can improve the team/ squad and not necessarily top class players.
All of this is going to take time and patience especially from us supporters. I expect a few new players this transfer widow, maybe even a high cost one. Having watched the two pre-season games I was impressed and pleased by the way Silva has the squad playing already. Time will tell if Brands and Silva can get us were we all want the club to be, playing attractive football and playing in Europe on a regular basis.

20 Jul 2018 15:10:35
Good post - only question is if we hired Brands to find unpolished gems as you say wasnt Walsh to do the same as he had previous success and what happened to him - maybe we should have kept Walsh and saved some money.

20 Jul 2018 15:35:04
Walsh for me was relatively weak and seemed to follow the instructions of the manager when it came to recruiting. I believe Brands is much stronger, time will tell if he is an improvement over Walsh.

20 Jul 2018 15:46:10
Walsh was a scout, a very good one I think but certainly no the a DoF. Brands is.

20 Jul 2018 18:37:37
How do we know Brands hasn’t identified the unpolished gems? We need guaranteed improvements to the squad short term, and the unpolished gems for the long term.

20 Jul 2018 19:26:44
Bit early to doubt Brands yet lads. Bearly through the door.

20 Jul 2018 19:51:58
Mr Walsh was a Scout, promoted beyond his pay grade precisely because that was his agents rate to hire him, the agent was not concerned with competence. Mr Brands is a proven DoF with pedigree and excellent contacts. Rest assured there is a plan and we will within days see the results.

20 Jul 2018 12:18:53
I'm a bit different than most blues this summer. I honestly don't care if we sign one player. I've seen enough in just two rubbish friendlies to give me a passion for my team again. We'll sign players and I'm not worried.

The football we are looking to play is back to the Everton of old. Playing with wide men amd allowing our full backs to get forward. It's all I wanted for next season and will be good enough for me as this was the biggest area that needed work on, not new players.

On the player front Besic looks like a new signing and if he can stay injury free he could finally show what we all know he has, quality.

Robinson is also like a new signing and for me definitely deserves a chance to show he can step up. I hadn't seen anything of him before but he looks a real talent and we'd have bought and played him before the Bury game everyone would be saying what a great signing.

Even Sandro playing as a right winger looks a new player. Now most can't get past the bloody awful shot he had but what he did contribute was probably 9 out of 10 quality crosses and really good corners. He lacks composure in Front of goal but aside from that he has attributes that Silva MIGHT be able to develop.

So get yourselves all frustrated but I'm happy to see good football again, move on players that need to delight their careers elsewhere and get a squad that's ready and manageable next summer for improvements and reinforcements.

20 Jul 2018 12:46:30
Great post BJU happy with that.

20 Jul 2018 13:24:01
You missed out Holgate BJU. He is surely ready to step up now? He is still only 21 and most center backs are not mature enough until 23/ 24. John Stones was an exception and I believe Holgate has the potential to follow Stones' success.

20 Jul 2018 14:17:43
Excellent post BJU. Always make plenty of sense. I’m the same. Not moaned once about lack of signings. I just want to see how the team shapes up on the park. Totally starved of any attacking football last season, so really need a fix of excitement. Can’t wait for the friendly on Saturday.

COYB.

20 Jul 2018 18:11:32
I'm still waiting for the excitement of Allardyce leaving to run out, before I can even think about who we have or have not signed.

{Ed025's Note - him going was our best piece of business ever smit..

20 Jul 2018 20:02:41
Hope no bums get bitten by the 'I told you so Dragon'. For me Silva so far in the Prem is a failure but he is now our Manager, obviously our Scouts and recruiters think he is the one to take us forward. I reserve comment.

20 Jul 2018 22:33:31
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20 Jul 2018 10:26:59
The assumption seems to be that Marco Silva wants a first-team squad of two players for every position (plus perhaps a third goalkeeper and maybe a third or fourth centre-forward) .
The pre-season indications are that his squad will be a mixture of older players (defined as aged-over-21) and younger (defined as aged under 21) players.
A list of a maximum of 25 aged-over-21 players has to be registered in order for the named players to be eligible for Premier League matches.
The aged-under-21 players (Davies, Lookman, etc. ) are in addition to that list.
So, I can imagine that we will NOT need to register the maximum allowed of 25 aged-over-21 players. Marco Silva's actual first-team squad could comprise around just 18-20 aged-over-21 players and around 5-7 aged-under-21 players.
Allowing for the expected new recruits, the simple arithmetic suggests that around 10 current players won't feature in Marco Silva's actual first-team squad. Some of these players (especially those aged-under-21) might be consigned to the U23s, but it's more likely they (and certainly the surplus aged-over-21 players) will be be transferred or loaned.

20 Jul 2018 10:33:16
By my reckoning - based on the pre-season so far - these 32 current players are “in contention” for a place in Marco Silva’s eventual first-team squad (although imho not all are actually realistic contenders! ) :
Pickford, Stek, Hewelt, Coleman, Kenny, Baines, Robinson, Martina, Keane, Holgate, Jagielka, Williams A., Pennington, Schneiderlin, Gueye, Davies, Besic, McCarthy, Baningime, Connolly, Sigurdsson, Klaassen, Dowell, Walcott, Bolasie, Lookman, Mirallas, Vlasic, Sandro, Tosun, Niasse and Calvert-Lewin.
(The likes of Browning, Galloway, etc., are already consigned to the U23s, whilst Williams J. has been injured so not had a chance yet. )
Assuming that there’ll be some new recruits - AND that Marco Silva wants two players for every position in a first-team squad of around 25 players - that surely means that at least 10 of these “contenders” will leave (permanently or on loan) or be consigned to the U23s.
As Marco Silva has reportedly said, there’ll be some tough conversations and tough decisions soon.

20 Jul 2018 01:23:34
Please tell me why is it that other Clubs when they are linked to a class player, make an offer to the players Club, which is all but accepted, speak to the player himself abouta contract, fly them over for a Medical, and get them signed up, all done and dusted. But NOT EVERTON.!
I don't believe everything I read in the media, but on Tuesday most of the papers reported that Everton had agreed a deal worth £30+mil with Bordeaux for the Brazilian star Malcom. The President of Bordeaux was apparently meeting Everton Officials on Thursday to conclude a deal? Now both Roma and Valencia have repotedly entered calculations. Everton do this all the time. The reds wanted the Goalkeeper from Roma. they paid the fee flew him over for a medical and he has signed, & they have done the same with other targets. why do Everton fiddle about.

20 Jul 2018 06:44:54
Did we actually put in a bid for Malcom Golden?

From everything that has been said by the Ed’s, I’m very skeptical of the press and reports we have offered anything. It feels like random numbers are picked by journalists and published as fact. I’d love to know how accurate these figures are.

In previous seasons we seemed to notch deals/ play silly beggars in transfers but I’m hoping it’s changing under Brands. If we get to the start of the season and reports come out from the Eds that we botched things again I will think differently.

{Ed001's Note - I don't believe there was any bid. I was told that Everton enquired and no more. No doubt the same reason as all the other clubs that walked away, the price was too high.}

20 Jul 2018 06:50:58
majority of these papers get there info off rumour sites like this. i bet if ed put up he had it on good authority everton had offer tim cahill a 2 year deal, it would end up in at least one paper within 2 days.
dnt believe the rags they have make headlines to sell papers mate.

{Ed001's Note - damn I wish I had thought of sticking that rumour up for a laugh to see if it did happen! Could have made it believable by saying it was a player/coach role.}

20 Jul 2018 07:29:17
I wouldn’t be swayed by the number of papers / websites a rumour appears on Golden. If one picks up a rumour from God knows where every other one just repeats it for fear of missing out if it turns out to be true.

If Silva can get a tune out of Keane, Schneiderlin, Klaasen, Bolassie, Lookman and either Niasse or Sandro then that’s the equivalent of £100m+ spent based on what we paid for them all but have got very little from yet.

20 Jul 2018 11:39:09
For me Golden Vision, it’s all about not having your trousers pulled down.

If you look at the price teams want as soon as Everton come sniffing you will fully understand.

Yet with our players, they try to get them on the cheap, or on loan.

Would you seriously pay over £70 Million for Zaha, would you take £12 Million for a Lookman.

We certainly paid over the odds and rushed players in last season, we do not know what is going on behind the scenes at Everton, players will come in for sure, let’s just make sure this time and get it right. And trust our new regime.