Everton Banter Archive December 21 2014

 

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21 Dec 2014 23:07:03
It's getting a bit gun ho all this sacking martinez stuff.best thing since sliced bread last season.we play better than under moves yet we seem to forget the near relegation we had under him.Bobby into second season,moyes 11.chill out for gods sake

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I agree Dentielad. This might just be a blip caused by a few factors. But it is difficult to remain behind someone when they had such a great start. When you factor in that the squad has been together now for a few seasons with one or two additions, that's what worries me.
Howard has been Mr consistent for a few years but now all of a sudden looks very poor.
Coleman was looking full of confidence but now never wants to run at anyone with the ball.
Distin just looks past it.
Baines can't get down the wing with the ball. His partner Pienaar who used to set him up looks past it too.
Barry started brilliant but lately looks past it too.
McCarthy was looking good until that flippin hamstring.
Lukaku looks a shadow of the player from last season. I don't know what they are doing to teach him the flight of the ball, but he seems to run underneath it and watch it sail over his head 9 times out of 10.
I am sure it is a confidence thing, but the Goodison crowd are so twitchy with the tippy tap football, I don't see how we are going to pull through this blip. Hard work on the training field I guess.

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{Ed025's Note - maybe 1 keeper and 10 osmans degsy.. :)

Now you have given me a great idea to turn it round Ed. Why don't we try Osman in goal? I am sure Swan would agree that he can't do any worse than Howard in goal? Then I can become even more obsessed and Swan can have something to really moan about. It's a win win situation surely? And wins is what we need right now. :)

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{Ed025's Note - great stuff degsy..

21 Dec 2014 19:54:55
anybody remember Mike Walker
manager of Norwich, & after one good season's results came to Everton.
he did nothing, & nearly got us relegated, & went back to Norwich after less than 2 years.
ring any bells? see any pattern?
lets stop being a testing club for would be Prem managers.
B.K.is responsible for the state we are in, so let's see what he does in the Jan sale, for both a new manager, or will he give R.M. another 28 mill to waste.

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22 Dec 2014 13:10:47
He is an expensive coach (in terms of goals conceded to follow his philosophy) to have that is for certain. The analyisis by Kenwright was flawed, he appointed Roberto on the strength of Wigan winning the FA Cup instead of the bread and butter of the Premiership. This is a man that took Wigan to 16th, 16th, 17th and finally relegated. To hire someone on the basis of that, casts doubts on Kenwrights reasoning.

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21 Dec 2014 19:34:18
post to Cowpat Sid 2.
don't knock walking football Sid,
I play for Fleetwood Town over 50's
one of our lad's is 77 & could do a job up front for the Blues, & he wouldn't cost 28 mill,
just a pie & a pint after the match!
come on you Fleetwood R.I.P.'s

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Henderson: since when was I knocking walking football? How do you know I don't play it as well - I'm 60 by the way.

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Mike walker & Walter Smith aye
were playing similar brand of footy
under Roberto.
God knows where it will take us hopefully we won't b joining Wigan
in the championship.
Need another 21 points 2 b safe
or thereabouts.

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21 Dec 2014 18:37:15
I think we need john stones back sharpish he is the only centre back comfortable on the ball when he plays and brings the ball out of defence are midfield move forward along with the front men allowing us to go on the attack the two fullbacks push on and its a completey new team game none of this twenty passes between jags and buzz and then back to dodgy in goal he's capable of bringing a ball 40 or 50 yards and starting the attack and then pass it to another player in our side unlike the other pair.

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21 Dec 2014 18:23:48
I've always been a big fan of Tim Howard but it seems like age has caught up with him, & a replacement needs to be found. I just hope that we have scouts in Italy & they have been keeping an eye on Luigi Sepe, a young Italian lad who is on loan at Empoli from Napoli. I've just watched him play in today's match against Fiorentina & he really looks the business. Forget buying another winger, let's start shoring up our dodgy defence!

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21 Dec 2014 15:53:55
And while I am at it. when Moyes went, I was gutted. He was rubbish I was told by most of you. Boring football and terrible manager. Then Roberto came in and it was a real love in. Yes we are playing brilliant football now. We nearly made the top 4. We qualified for Europa League. Yes it looks good. Come 2014 and we spend 28 million on Lukaku. Great signing. Come December and it's all falling apart. "Bring back Moyes" I say. Make Osman captain. Flippin heck this wine tastes good!!

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When Moyes went, I was gutted. (Well I wasn't)

He was rubbish I was told by most of you. (He still is)

Boring football and terrible manager. (That is correct)

Then Roberto came in and it was a real love in. Yes we are playing brilliant football now. (We never have).

We nearly made the top 4. (No we didn't)

We qualified for Europa League. (A Mickey Mouse cup for the dregs of Europe)

Yes it looks good. (Nah)

Come 2014 and we spend 28 million on Lukaku. (We were robbed).

Great signing. (Donkey)

Come December and it's all falling apart. (Correct)

"Bring back Moyes" I say. (No)

Make Osman captain. (No again)

Flippin heck this wine tastes good! (No it doesn't)

We are Everton
#Wedontwinanything
That's what we do
Martinez Out

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Just out of interest Mike, if we were to sack Roberto, who would be your preferred managerial choice?

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Love it Mike!

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21 Dec 2014 15:32:23
Dooh! The penny's dropped: because we have so many aging players, RM has us playing "walking football"! I thought that was only for over-50s, but it's clearly the next stage on from tiki-taka.
;-)

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21 Dec 2014 18:15:19
Nah Sid we will put a bell in the ball next mate.

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21 Dec 2014 14:34:14
I am really ****ed off. So I thought I would do a real wind up post:
Have you not considered that one of the reasons we are struggling is that Leon Osman is out injured again. I hear you all groan but Swan will actually back me up on this. we had a poor run earlier in the season then when Osman came into the team, we had a decent run. and now he is out of the team again. It may also have coincided with John Stones and Kevin Mirallas also being fit to play, but I think it is more to do with LEON! In reality, Lukaku cannot play without service and both Mirallas and Osman do bring a link to the team from defence to attack. Having them both available gives us something extra. Add in John Stones and that also gets us playing more forward from defence. I hear we are interested in an 8 million bid for Del Boy? I would rather spend that on an 8 million center half fro some obscure league.

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21 Dec 2014 15:39:33
Im not going to have a go, we both know osman being out the team had NOTHING to do with our results. But i'd be in heaven if doofy loofy came back for 8m, what a bargain. Distin and alcaraz will be gone in the summer (hopefully), that leaves us with jagielka, stones, browning and galloway who is probably isn't ready. If we have to do anything, we have to get a ball playing centre half, alderwerield, schar or someone who can bring the ball out. i'm having a good day, just watched adam johnson net an 89th minute winner at the wonga stadium, made up, now for arsenal to hopefully beat liverpool and send that nob alderidge into a rage, see f he threatens people again, what a fool

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Obviously Osman played a part. I grant you he needed another 10 on the pitch with him. But 11 playing without him in all the other games can't knock the skin off a rice pudding. Coincidence? Maybe. More likely that we have no-one better at the moment in my opinion. Look up how many of our wins (all 5 of them) had Osman on the pitch. Then look up how many we drew and lost without him. Yeah I know he is past it and yeah I know he is not the greatest. but look it up.

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21 Dec 2014 20:32:36
He did, howard, baines and mccarthy were all there too. Osman wasnt there for qpr was he? Exactly, 75% of fans (probably more) hate the site of him, so meh. You could say what you say about any player, we got beat by southampton as we didn't bring kone on, coinsidence? I think not! We lost against chelsea 9 months after selling jelavic, coincidence? I think not!. Its quite disturbing tbh, we got beat by man city 2 years after phil neville retired, surely not a coincidence? It can't be!.

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I thought I would do it for you Swan. Even amazed myself. The games that Osman played a full game or was only taken off with minutes to go are:
Wolfsburg at home. We won 4 1.
Crystal Palace we lost 2 3.
Villa we won 3 nil.
Burnley we won 3 1.
Lille we won 3 nil
West Ham we won 2 1
He also came on as sub for
WBA away we won 2 nil.
He was also included as sub in draws against:
Krasn away draw.
Sunderland away draw.
His only loss this season is therefore crystal palace at home. Make what you want of this info. But he has been involved in 9 games. We won 6 of these and drew 2. Ok it is stretching it a bit including the 3 games where he came on late. But compare it with games that he was not involved in and you get:
7 draws and 5 losses and only 1 win. Leon Osman for King I say!

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Howard was in the wins but Baines and McCarthy? I can't be ar***d looking up. Swan, believe what you want mate, but Osman's record p9 w6 d2 compares against the team without him of p13 w1 d7 speaks for itself to me. Some people can't see the wood for the trees. I will leave it at that.

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21 Dec 2014 21:50:45
This is quite an obsession, I have to ask, from one man to another, is he your celebrity crush? There is nothing wrong with that, it actually explains quite a lot. We won games in the 80s without osman, care to explain that?. I know you have those teenage fantasies about threesomes with osman and moyes but, you're clearly going through an odd phase, it will pass. I have quite a liking for jennifer alba tbh, you have it for leon osman, there is nothing wrong with that, we are all evertonians, we are here for you

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Nah mate. I just think he is given a hard time when actually he still has a role to play. I was actually very surprised to see how useful he has been this season. I really agree that he is on his last legs. It worries me that we rely on so many old uns now. We really do need a major overhaul of an aging squad. I do realise that he is not the player he once was, but you cannot argue to me that he is a very important part of the squad when you look at stats over a period of games like it has shown. The team does seem to perform better with him in. I will leave it at that for now.until the next time lol. I am coming up for the boxing day Stoke game and hope that Leon is in the team and we register another well needed win. I would certainly pick him ahead of McGeady on the right. I would also pick him ahead of Besic based on the fact Besic has had 1 great game for us and a few poor ones. I also agree with you that we cannot play Naismith, Barkley and Eto'o in the same team if Lukaku plays. We need another right sided midfielder. So the Christmas wish list includes a goalkeeper, a center back, a right sided midfielder and a new fitness coach who does not push hamstrings too far. Not much to ask for Santa?

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21 Dec 2014 22:41:20
I'm not trying to make excuses for the rest of the squad, who this season have been woefully poor, but those games listed that osman has had a part in playing don't exactly inspire you to think he's good. The fixtures he's missed include Liverpool, Man Utd, Man City, Arsenal, Chelsea. see a pattern here? I probably could have played his cameo roles in the listed fixtures and had as good an impact, but I'd have played for the love of the shirt, a couple of pints and a packet of cashew nuts.

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{Ed025's Note - bring you boots friday craig.. :)

That is a very fair point CraigHuyton Blue. I take that on board, but would also add that we have only drawn against a lot of the other teams. Please do have a look at those stats again. 13 games without him and only 1 win. Of course I realise he is not Pele nor Messi, Ronaldo etc. but 1 win from 13 says something surely? Then 6 wins from 9 when he has played. Think of the draws against Leicester, Lille away, Swansea. They were without him too. Enough said.

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{Ed025's Note - and he is the real santa as well apparently..

Degsy is correct we were a winning team with Osman in the side more often than not. So really the question is what do you prefer shocking winning football with Leon in the team or the spectacular football we play without him? Ed maybe you could run a poll?

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{Ed025's Note - i will do one sa90, but it will have to be...does he deserve to be in the team mate..

Ed if its a question of does Leon deserve to be in the team I can see it being a very one sided pole.

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{Ed025's Note - i think it will be very close mate..

22 Dec 2014 15:21:40
But degsy you never answered me, how on earth were we winning titles in the 80s without osman, how were we winning matches before he came along.

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21 Dec 2014 11:23:33
i think were in real trouble boys, we need 19 points to stay up (sad I know) and our next fixtures are stoke (h) newcastle (a) hull (a) city(h) palace(a) and the reds (h) I can't see us winning any of those, maybe stoke but that will be a very tough game. we just seem so slow in everything we do, we have no end product and are playing players out of position every game, I know lukaku hasn't been at his best but I do feel a little sorry for him, he gets no service at all so ends up coming deep to collect the ball and what's happend to our full backs?? we hardly ever put a cross into the box, we are terrible at corners and have no plan b once all the passing breaks down, I personally think lukaku would have scored much more goals under david moyes, when we were chasing a game or looking for a winner we would have lumped the ball forward and played off the front man and that's ok to do but bobby just won't budge on his set up, its soo frustraing. honestly if he doesn't change and drop his stubborn tactics soon then were only going to slip further down the table.

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I don't think there is anything wrong with our style of passing it and I prefer this than hoof it to fellaini and it has proven to be a winning formula. I don't think it's a case of other teams knowing how to play against us now I think it's a case of players with no confidence and the need to get passing quickly it's a catch 22 situation. Maybe it's more if a case of we play narrow if we play Naismith eto & Barkley, it means the opposition full backs can advance this pushing back baines & Coleman which prevents a lot of service and one of our main threats. Is it possible to get Delefeou back on loan or is it not allowed due to him being on loan already and only being allowed to register with so many clubs in a season. Mcgeady is a confidence player which is lacking, Atsu has not shown anything yet, piennar has not shown any form for a while either due to injuries and mirrallas is the only threat we have had and he has not been available enough. Maybe it would be better to play Coleman RM and Hibbert/browning at RB and Oviedo/baines LM and garbutt at LB to keep the width. Just a thought as a supporter I am sure Roberto has thought of this he's the one with the coaching license A.

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{Ed025's Note - its as though his coaching license has expired robbie..

I agree with the Lakaku comment and judging by his body language think he might be getting a little sick of it, If we don't pick up any points in the next couple of games somebody high up has to question Martinez and his tactics. Its as if he has lost the dressing room somehow and everybody looks lost. Fingers crossed we can get over this but we must get points in the next couple of games or I fear the worse.

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{Ed001's Note - he has not lost the dressing room, the players and staff (and media for that matter) all love Martinez, as he is a genuinely nice guy. Maybe that could be the problem, if anything, that no one is scared of him because he is so nice?}

The Catalan Clown specialises in taking teams backwards, he did it to Wigan, now it has started on us. I laugh when I see him constantly linked to the likes of Arsenal and the 'dead cert' to manage Barcelona next.

Wigan under Steve Bruce finished 14th and then 11th. Solid foundation there.

Martinez gets a grip of them and finishes 16th 16th 15th and then relegated in 18th. Superb job done there.

We are Everton
#Wedontwinanything
That's what we do
Martinez Out

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The Real Mike: so what about RM's record as manager at Swansea City?

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I can't be bothered checking Cowpat. I just know I want The Catalan Clown out of this club now. Sick of the sight of him mate. Can't stand that smug look any longer.

We are Everton
#Wedontwinanything
That's what we do
Martinez Out

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I do think bobby is the man for us, I won't be one of those calling for him to be sacked, he just needs to have a more direct route when all the tippy tappy passing doesn't work, we have a great spine of a team, stones, macca, barkley and lukaku, all very good players and still very young with room to improve but barry needs to be dropped then have macca and besic cm, a winger in january is a must.

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The Real Mike: fair enough, mate. Who could (realistically) replace him AND who do you actually want?

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Rob, I don't think know if he would have scored more goals under Moyes to be honest! Watch him all game and he is dreadful in the air! Never wins a header and he even load looked scared of the ball for his og yesterday, was cowering away from it. When he goes for headers it looks as though he can't be arsed and just wants to make it look as though he is trying for it when he is really not. It's not just Lukaku not putting his all in though, baines was beaten so easily to get the cross in yesterday. Could do with some more shouting rather than Molly coddling in the dressing room I think, scare em big dunc!

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I think Roberto is a great manager, would hate to see him leave, think next season we will see the best in him.

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21 Dec 2014 10:11:41
I echo all comments of the posters post southampton we have shown no desire that's the hardest thing to take no energy the players don't seem motivated and that comes down to Roberto. I am not saying sack him because we have played well in the past maybe its a learning curve for him and he needs to have a go at the players instead of trying to be positive. That was certainly not dynamic football Roberto! our last few fixtures have all been there for the taking. Spurs (struggling crowd on the back and we got 1st goal, Hull (really struggling and most out of form team), Man city (probably couldn't have asked a better time to go there aguero went off injured), Southampton (out of form missing a load of players). Its worrying at the moment but saying that football can be strange other teams like liverpool and spurs are struggling but spurs seem to be v lucky at the moment but at least they show desire. it just makes it worse to see Sam fat head Allardyce and Alan partridge Pardew up towards the top of the league.

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21 Dec 2014 09:01:34
More bad news Distan says he has no plans to retire. Why would he with the money we are throwing at him.

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{Ed025's Note - he has been a fine player for us WB, but is not suited to our present way of playing...a fish out of water..so to speak..

For me there is one thing that reverse our poor performances

Bring back Deu lefeu and get rid of mcgeady. This will allow super Kev to help out Bainsey, Ross to play deeper, Naismith up top with Lukaku just ahead (but stay onside please), Seamus can bomb on as we miss his pace when mcgeady hesitates and slows him down.

As was painfully obvious yesterday we lacked pacey wingers and our full backs became ineffective because the balance was all wrong. Not the playing staff.

We don't need to get rid of loads of players. Just one in and one out.

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{Ed025's Note - my concern ace is that he does not know his best side, he plays guys out of position on a regular basis, our midfield seems to chop and change every week and that worries me..

That is a worry Ed, but teams with pace win games. Like we were last season. I just feel that we never get results when the balance of the team is skew. Which it has been all season since what has been playing in front of Baines and Seamus is not to their strengths. Super Kev in front of Baines and Deu lefeu in front of Seamus will sort the balance out a treat.

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{Ed025's Note - you could be right ace..

21 Dec 2014 08:49:37
Naismith can not play right he is only good as a no10, barkley can not play left . We were too narrow but martinez kept the same shape all game even though we went 1nil down then 2 nil then 3 nil; and did he do anything? no. Why not at 2-0 have besic as 1 holding mid, bring on kone up front with that bag is rubbish who cost 28m and tried something different. Alarm bells are ringing in me ears and they won't stop.

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21 Dec 2014 01:10:31
Rancid, Putrid, Disgusting, Vile, Pathetic, Gutless, Heartless, Shocking, Offensive, Inglorious, Heartbreaking, Heart Wrenching, Shameful, Abject, Horrendous, Pitiful, Abysmal, Abhorrent, Loathsome, Paltry, Shoddy, Humiliating, Ugly, Squalid, Trashy, Disrespectful, Poor, Awful, Rotten, Miserable, Dreadful, Tragic, Dire, Downer, Excruciating, Stinker, Calamitous, Insignificant, Despicable, Derogatory, Lewd, Filthy, Detestable, Horrid, Revolting, Nasty, Repulsive, Nauseating, Gross, Miserable, Hideous and finally just plain s**t#.

Just a few words to describe how i'm feeling at the moment.

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21 Dec 2014 04:06:22
With you

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Don't forget crummy.

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21 Dec 2014 08:55:17
And Blue, always Blue with a easy shade of Grey.

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21 Dec 2014 00:05:12
Totally unacceptable performance today.start dropping players Bobby. Lukaku needs time out.put kone in.at least he can hold up play,win a header etc. Missing Mccarthy, get rid of Gibson,piennar, mcceady, terminate Atsu loan and bring in a Gary cahill type defender.Bobby says the January transfer market for everton is going to be quiet,let's hope not.get depay, niloto or someone who brings attacking flair to the team. I'd go for bolasie from palace. Likes to attack.bring it on.

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20 Dec 2014 23:00:32
there is no fighting sprit for team only one player had a bit of passion today and that was mo besic who had decent game but rest were awful howard needs to pee of to mls worst premiership goalkeeper i'd even play joel before him now. latest links are ayew and gerrrard d

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21 Dec 2014 04:05:21
Bar maybe mignolet and rochard wright I cannot see a keeper worse than howard. People go on about 'ooooh he's a good shot stopper', but, that's his job, the very least a goalkeeper should be is a good shot stopper, as is every keeper in the league. Difference being when he stops shots he slaps the ball towards the nearest opposing player. He concedes so many long range goals, cabaye, lampard, ben arfa, assou ekotto, delph and dejagah, the list goes on and on. i'm not even finished, gerrards free kick at anfield, dives backwards, bryan ruiz 2 seasons ago, larsson this season. He doesn't come for crosses stays on his line, costs us so much, cost us against giroud early in the season, carrol in the fa cup and even today. He also loves excercise, doing starjumps when demba ba went through in moyes' last season. He doesn't command his area, doesn't start counters, can't kick the ball when its in his hands. He loves handling it outside the box and loves hitting himself after a save (a rare moment tbf). He needs to go asap, nowhere near good enough, some people honestly debate who is our best keeper of all time after southall between howard and martin, haha, he has nothing on nig, doesn't belong in the same breath. Truly truly awful, costs us so many times, terrible goalkeeper, but hey 'hes a decent shot stopper', what a load of rubbish. i'd love to have doofy loofy back, its impossible, but i'd love it, the little genius.

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Never really went along with the whole, "Howard is rubbish" thing swan, but to be honest I'm very much in that camp now. With the defence we have had in recent years he has been very well protected but now we are like wigan at the back he looks a liability. Seems to make a mistake every week! Dreadful parry against Qpr then the star jump as you mentioned! Only problem is joel is 10x worse, his positioning in the Krasnodar game can only be described as woeful. Would love doofy back as well! Class little player, though it's a shame we could never afford him because billy boy spent all his pennies on the yak mark II. So many players past it in this current squad, and bringing through youth hasn't really worked has it!? The players he has brought through are class anyway so it's not exactly and achievement.
Get rid of : howard, joel, Hibbert, jags, Distin, alcaraz, baines, osman, Gibson, Pienaar and my least favourite do nothing of all mcgeady. And play Kone up front, he looks the 28 Million man!

Ahhh feels good to have that off my chest, no blues down in devon that will listen to my whinging but no doubt if we win 3 on the bounce I'll be rosy again! Sort it out Bobby martin!

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Yeh he woefull maybe it time to give joel a go or get new keeper brought my self to watch the goals again and most them were straight at him 2 went through legs tbf I think I could of saved them even though i'm a cb

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Wait a minute bretto. Have you put, time to give Joel a go or was it a mistake and you were ment to put,it's time for Joel to go?

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Our keepers make rob green look good, how tragic is that!

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20 Dec 2014 22:42:06
Laughing stock mid table team & sinking like a stone.
Bring back Moyes before its to late & make us solid difficult to beat again instead of being the softies.
I said after the Qpr victory Monday night we'd get a whooping @ Soton & so it proved.
Absolute garbage.

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21 Dec 2014 08:52:44
Bring back Moyes really? The guy walked out on the club, couldn't get away quick enough. But hey look at all the trophys we won when he was here. Yes let's have him back then we can start "punching above our weight" again. Lol

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Correct Moyes mate made some astute signings, Mirallas, Coleman, Naismith,
Baines, Jags in comparison to Martinez woeful signings with Wigan rejects Robles, Alcaraz, Kone plus misfit Mcgeady oh & dare I say it Lukaku.Dont think Moyes ever had luxury of spending 28 mill on a single player that @ the mo looks like fish out of water.
Granted he never delivered a trophy but the team were sort of in & around top 6 year in year out on a nothing budget & we're playing like a proper team before his departure which is more than I can say about the present day team easy to beat Martinez softies.
On the subject of trophies mate forget it were nowhere near toothless up front & defence is leaking goals like there's no tomorrow.
Get Mourhino in with fresh investment, new owners, new young blood then & only then will this great club start winning trophies.

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20 Dec 2014 22:09:27
I am taking up a collection for rm's xmas box. It's a book, 1001 "new excuses", it's self interest, as I am getting pissed off and very board by the old Wigan one being continually rehashed.PS s/hampton have up till to-day, lost the last 5, inc one to a, 3rd division side. T.o-day, and missing their best 4 players, they swept us aside PPS Best of luck selling those 1/2 season tickets.

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