Everton Banter Archive January 22 2019

22 Jan 2019 20:25:42
WB, great shout about Andy Carrol, we can whip in crosses to him, he's a great header.

22 Jan 2019 20:53:38
we have calvert lewin for that and he's not a drunk with injury problems.

22 Jan 2019 21:25:44
If we're looking at Carroll then we really are struggling.

22 Jan 2019 22:04:21
Would not want him any where near us.

23 Jan 2019 12:28:10
I'd rather have Andy Pandy ;-p.

22 Jan 2019 18:31:07
Blimey being reported that we should be looking to sign Mancini or Conte if we are seeking ambition at our Club, does't take long for the vultures to come calling.

22 Jan 2019 19:31:38
Neither for me. I advocate sooner than later for this recognised failure to go, that is true, but please for once can the Club do a proper search and once identified do due diligence, prior to and part of that is real advice from hopefully someone who knows his or her football.

22 Jan 2019 19:59:06
Hi dfs who would be your choice then mate, i just think it would be virtually impossible to get a top name in.

{Ed0333's Note - Benitez is the stand out candidate. You need someone to build a concrete foundation instead of the sand one you have now. Let him construct a squad made up of youth and experience, get you into Europe and then assess from there? Now let me ask you GB would the majority of Evertonians accept Rafa?

22 Jan 2019 20:34:13
I'm not sure if he'd be fully welcome at our "small club". Yes I remember the remark and he did explain it to David Moyes at the time (allegedly) . That said though loads of ex-players have said that he is one of the best tactical managers they have worked with. He does extensive research on the opponents/ players it's been said. Not sure if he's as thorough as Marcelo Bielsa though.

{Ed002's Note - Something has been misunderstood, there have been no approaches to any of these coaches.}

22 Jan 2019 20:47:51
Although all this talk of sacking Silva is very premature, if we found ourselves in the position of looking for yet another manager then I have to agree with ed333. Benitez might not be what most fans want but his record stands up against most in the game. His time at Newcastle, strangely enough, has made me change my mind towards how good he is.
I never wanted Silva, reminds me of Martinez in so many ways, yet I think it is far too early to get rid and start again. Yes, the football hasn't been great but, despite the league position, it has been far better to watch than last season. Didn't we all shout from the rooftops to get rid of the bland dross that SA was serving up? We got what we asked for, the majority of us anyway, so shouldn't we at least be showing some patience? 20+ games in charge isn't much of a barometer to judge how things will go. The microwave generation that want instant success is nothing more than a pipe dream, a solid foundation needs to be put down and then we can build from there. Silva, no matter what fans think, needs to be given until the end of the season at least before we start talking about his replacement.

{Ed025's Note - spot on mate..

22 Jan 2019 21:03:59
not rafa for me he was brilliant ill give him that but watch newcastle now and there poor they park the bus and hope to god to nick a goal.

22 Jan 2019 21:51:05
Benitez is quickly becoming a dinosaur in today's game. 5 years ago, maybe.
Let's get behind Silva for 2 seasons and evaluate.
Everyone on here calling for his head doesn't have a guaranteed replacement who will get us top 6 so calling for his head won't help.

{Ed025's Note - im with you smit mate..

22 Jan 2019 22:13:54
I understand that Ed002 and fully understand that mention of other coaches/ Managers coming in, is just conjecture. I can only speak for myself but I was asked who I would have to replace Silva (stupid yet again that on a ridiculous appointment we are at each others throats) , my reply is consistent, that being Benitez, further to that I would have Howe or Hughton. I also agree that given the circumstances we find ourselves in yet again, we may as well have kept Alardyce and at least let him see out his 18 months. He is the only one so far that fully carried out his brief.

23 Jan 2019 00:23:48
Your choices DFS are no better, if not worse than what we have got.
Big Sam has only really had success at Bolton, having spent millions to get in the top 10!

Howe bottled it at Burnley, who's to say he wouldn't at Everton? Or worse be another Moyes, who couldn't cope at a bigger team.
Benitez under achieved at a club which money wise should have done better at the time.

Has he over achieved at Newcastle? Well he took them down, and could easily take them down again.
When they got promoted, they were 9th in the premier league's highest wages. But they consistently under achieve. His time has gone, he is now outraged and too old to change. Much like Allardyce.
This type of manager will only age quickly in today's game.

22 Jan 2019 20:46:35
Not on that lads, Hyperthethical really Ed but no I don't think he would be accepted.

{Ed0333's Note - it’s interesting to read the diatribe towards Rafa. His style of play is dictated by the personell at his disposal. If he’d have some money to spend I’m sure the football would be different. The guy is villified for trying to stop goals being scored against him but that’s born out of the position they find themselves in the table, it’s needs must. He has a championship side playing in the premiership. I would suggest if Rafa had Silva’s squad you’d be in watfords position in the table. But this is all hypothetical.

23 Jan 2019 05:41:42
in Watfords position? so u would have us bring in a new manager and start fresh for 3 extra points.

{Ed0333's Note - the point is that you’re manager is a charlaton and Rafa is better in all facets of football than Silva. You will not be anywhere near watford in a few months and will be rummaging around Europe for a new coach come the summer.

23 Jan 2019 06:32:09
I'm kinda leaning with Ed0333 on this one. I've no doubt Rafa - just as I think Moyes would have done given the finances - would be more likely to bring some stability and take us forward than some other names that have been mentioned.

23 Jan 2019 10:37:55
Smit666 Moyes couldn't cope at a bigger Club assume you mean Utd. Would it surprise you to know that of all Utd's Managers Moyes comes 4th on Stats. Surprised me that.

23 Jan 2019 14:46:21
4th considering the few games he was in charge is not great. His time at Man u will always be seen as a failure by most.

23 Jan 2019 09:46:01
Ed0333 in what way is Silva a charalton? and why is RAFA better in all aspects? One thing that puzzles me about RAFA is why has he been at Newcastle so long? If he was as good as people think wouldn't he have had offers to manage at other clubs? I'm not saying he's not a good manager just find it strange that he is in the situation he is.

{Ed0333's Note - my apologies for not giving you the answer you deserve but I’m trying to book some wrestling tickets and the website is doing my head in. So you don’t think Marco Silva is masquerading as a football manager/coach? Ok mate if you’re happy to go along with his mediocre at best leadership and a 38% win percentage than good for you. Rafa is a proven winner. La Liga winner twice, Champions League winner, FA Cup winner, UEFA Cup winner twice and managed the biggest clubs in world football, Liverpool, Real Madrid, Chelsea, Inter Milan. Marco Silva has won the Portuguese cup and the Greek title. And believe me he’s been offered some plum jobs while at Newcastle but has said no out of loyalty.

23 Jan 2019 17:17:37
Hi Ed 0333 do you reckon silva with leave In the summer either sacked or resign as a lot of people have said he doesn’t stay At clubs long. M.

{Ed0333's Note - I personally think Silva will get his P45 in the summer Eddy. I just don’t think the guy is any better than Sam and Moshiri is no fool.

23 Jan 2019 19:15:37
One thing is certain. Moshiri can't be happy with what he's witnessed so far and if things don't start showing signs of improvement soon I believe he will start looking elsewhere (if he hasn't already? )

{Ed002's Note - Surely he is largely responsible.}

23 Jan 2019 19:41:03
I agree Ed002. Ultimately the buck stops with him. Not least because - as I think you have said previously - it was his acting on poor advice that got us Silva in the first place. If that's the case let's hope he's learnt his lesson.

23 Jan 2019 19:58:34
Interesting reading that that’s a few of the Ed’s with the same view on silva. Ed0333 if that did happen who would be a viable option in yours eyes considering everything I know you like Rafa but I wouldn’t happen because if the history. I personally think we need a manager who shows passion on the side lines. And one who indulges himself into Everton like Martinez did he actually looked
Into our history and could tell you anything about the club ( not defending or a plan b ) . And his off the pitch work with charities was amazing which I really liked about him.

{Ed0333's Note - Marcelo Gallardo

23 Jan 2019 20:06:23
Ed03333 Moshiri is no fool but he is responsible for hiring the last three managerrs, Koeman and Big Sam not cutting the mustard (although BS did what was asked of him albeit in footballing style which wasn’t pleasing to the eye) and Silva, whilst he is only half a season into the job, shows little sign of being the answer.
His comments are taking on Martinesque style and we all know unfortunately actions speak louder than words.
His recent words of intention and aspirations are we need to play with more ‘pace and intensity’when clearly in Gomes and Sigurdsson we have one paced players, in the engine room, who actually slow the game down.
Since the derby game we have been abysmal and I expect a coach to identify the reason (s) why and ring the changes to address.
Marco has picked the same out of form players, with the exception of Lookman for Walcott) , and adopted the same tactics and expects to see improvement.
We have been playing with seven or eight out field players for the last half dozen or so games which is reflective in our poor performances and results.
On effort terms alone we are second best to the teams we are playing which frankly is not good enough.
I don’t subscribe to showing patience unless I can see clear signs that that will bear fruit, unfortunately I can only see us going backwards at present.

{Ed0333's Note - one thing about Moshiri he rights his wrongs quickly. If Silva doesn’t buck up his ideas he’ll be gone by the summer. You have to show patience with the manager because getting a preferred choice mid season is nigh enough impossible. As Ed’s 002 said earlier this talk of a new manager is just conjecture and hypothetical.

22 Jan 2019 14:04:04
Not Everton related, but Emiliano Sala’s flight from France to Cardiff disappeared last night. My thoughts go out to his family, and hopefully he is found safe.

22 Jan 2019 16:04:29
Well said Denver Blue.

22 Jan 2019 16:41:24
Very sad news, not found plane and weather bad.

22 Jan 2019 18:19:54
It's not looking good but let's all have fingers crossed that he and piolt are found safe.

22 Jan 2019 18:44:14
Not good the plane looks like it went down east of Alderney, the most Northerly of the Channel Islands.

22 Jan 2019 22:19:58
Not good at all. Puts all this into a wet sweet bag in a rainstorm. It does not look good. We can only offer our good wishes and sympathy from the Football family.

22 Jan 2019 10:51:00
One thing Moyes did right was he had a smaller tighter squad with excellent team spirit, it seem that as we all wished for greater spending power we didn't allow for reckless and under researched pre purchase policies. Even with so called chief scout or DoF we have failed miserably.
The downside now is trimming the squad, players we have paid over the odds for or who have grossly underperformed are having to be loaned as no one is willing to pay the price we are asking for!
Is it a case of be careful what you wish for and of course are the right people making the decisions?
Of this years crop Digne is looking good Gomes has talent as does Richarlison, however Mina seems to be taking time to adapt.
In a season we had so many high hopes for it again is at this point an abject farce and it feels like we are going nowhere and have no answer to our misfiring tactics!
No doubt we will need to be patient and see what happens in the window, but if we have to sell before we buy I won't hold my breath and wait!

22 Jan 2019 16:42:49
This season was always going to be for remodeling and bedding players into the new style/ tactics. It will take a few windows to trim the squad and fill it with players who are suited to Silvas style.

We are still in touching distance of 7th and in no fear of relegation
so let's just see where we end up and what the summer brings.

22 Jan 2019 09:41:16
So i maybe over the top and harsh on the players we bought, well forgive me but, has anyone of you who claim progress been watching recent performances? they 're professional footballers, christ they train together every day, match days they perform like they hate the job, and each other.

players arguing between themselves, a goalkeeper who blames all and sundry for his errors, no team spirit. i don't advocate his return but the only one who could get this lot to perform is SA. he can get the best out of deadwood. at least his agricultural style resembled a plan and they had some fight.

and by the way they have now had over twenty games, surely some kind of understanding between players must now exist. i don't expect a miracle just some sort of cohesion and desire. signings from Barcelona don't in themselves guarantee a success. there's a reason why they left, i stand by my comments, we continually bring in poor quality in. if you recruit from relegated sides you get relegation quality, about time some took a reality check. club and supporters alike.

{Ed033's Note - Just think what could have happened if SA had implemented an aggressive style instead of the "agricultural style".

22 Jan 2019 10:42:07
To do that would have meant him having a little faith in the players Ed033 which he clearly didn't.

22 Jan 2019 11:20:58
Oldtimer so would u like to still have sam?

22 Jan 2019 12:23:48
We would have been a better team under Allerdyce I am certain, his record proves that over many years. Bolton where very good to watch and West Ham where not bad either, but he did a job which was all he was appointed to do not given a chance by directors or fans.
He was paid a lot to keep us in the prem good luck to him.

22 Jan 2019 12:54:10
we wer never going down we wer midtable when he took over this sam saved us talk is nonsense.

22 Jan 2019 16:28:42
Nobody said he saved us. He fulfilled his brief though and had us finish a respectable 8th. What position will we finish under Mr Silva, unless he changes tac.

22 Jan 2019 16:53:28
I think people are quick to forget. Big Sam had us playing every game like we have played the last few.
And when he tried to change it (Spurs) it was horrendous.


West Ham were not bad to watch? get yourself over to the West Ham page and use the search, they watched it every week and couldn't wait to see the back of him.
I spend quite a bit of time reading the West Ham pages and i can tell you there is no love on that site for Big Sam.

He is only ever a short term option for anyone and would have taken us sleep walking to 7th/ 8th.
Silva can do the same but with at least some kind of attacking football.
We need to remember that last season we were fighting with Leicester and a freak Burnley for 7th. This season everyone has upped their game and spent some money.
Leicester, West ham, Wolves, Bournemouth and Watford have all come to the party this season. We can still finish 7th, the difference this year is, we will have to fight to get there rather than just out perform one of two teams.

22 Jan 2019 17:44:20
ducks if u read dark cloud said he kept us up we wernt going down.

22 Jan 2019 22:23:10
Thats dark clouds opinion Johny1989, not mine.

22 Jan 2019 07:29:01
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 22nd January 2019