Everton Banter Archive July 22 2018

22 Jul 2018 23:28:31
Wouldn't get too carried away by predictions of doom, friendlies are what they are and a chance for Silva to experiment with players for his formation.
Most of these guys where played out of position and in then out of the team, frozen out by bad management and could probably have been let down by previous management.
Rumour has it a lb, cb and winger are immanent, but who knows this is how it used to be all of a sudden a player is holding up a shirt, Bill and mosh along with brands have shown enough faith in Silva to hand him the almighty task of getting us back, so us as supporters must do the same.

23 Jul 2018 17:38:37
Turf; And the majority of us will mate. A significant proportion though will be holding up the banners and flying the plane before Christmas should Silva fall over.

22 Jul 2018 22:09:04
What are your guys thoughts on Sandro? . I thought the was awful last night but tonight in the first half he was excellent!

Would you keep him and if so where would you play him?

22 Jul 2018 22:22:18
Was about to post the same mate, there is definitely a player there. Get him alongside Tosun and they could form a clever partnership. Just needs a couple of goals to kick on, really hopes he's given a chance. You bring back in Gylif, Gueye, Walcott, Pickford and Richarlison and I think our tempo will increase and we'll start to play some decent stuff. That defence needs sorting though as soon as. Would love RLC too.

22 Jul 2018 22:26:37
No and no.

22 Jul 2018 23:46:22
I feel that he is just not suited to the premier league, we have a few like that sadly. Also I here he wants to go back to Spain anyway.

23 Jul 2018 15:53:03
No. He had a year, did nothing.

22 Jul 2018 22:03:12
At this very moment in time I'm seriously worried that we are going to be relegated this season. 80% of are first team squad are simply not good enough or are coming to the end of their careers.

We need at least 1 centre back, a left back. Possibly a cm depending on what MS thinks of besic who I really rate personally.

A lw maybe Richarlison? Or lookman?

More support for midfield as Davy Klassen is useless.

Worrying times at the moment but hopeful we can turn it around.

22 Jul 2018 22:32:10
Nice and positive post there 🤣.

22 Jul 2018 22:35:07
Gonna have to bear with them SL, that’s the only advice I can give you. Going to be a transition season imo. MS needs support, he needs time he needs a core of ‘his players’. We all have our opinions, worries and ideas but will collectively want the same thing. Zonal Marking has never been for me but some teams have made it work really well. Sandro was better today I admit, but is he ultimately good enough? I don’t know? I have my worries with TD, don’t think he is quick enough and take the surfer boy look away, the fact he is a local and I think a huge amount of others would say the same thing but. I will again have to reserve my judgement and hope that he like the team progress over this season.

22 Jul 2018 23:05:36
Relegated, seriously? because you lost a friendly? come off it. We lost 3-1 am I bothered? nah I couldn't care less, preseason us all it's about is getting the players fitness levels up. You do have a capable squad but it'll take time, you won't be getting relegated mate. It's not as if you got smashed 22-0.

22 Jul 2018 23:34:59
Haha yeah not to positive but it's not great is it? . Who from are squad would get into the top 6 teams squads? . And no salah it's not a knee jerk reaction to the Porto game it's been going on from last season.

Poor signings and the failure to replace aging players like Jags and baines etc have set us back a few seasons imo.

We have probably 6-10 players in are first team squad who just aren't good enough and never will be and if it isn't partly addressed before the season begins I fear for us and Marco Silva this season.

22 Jul 2018 23:48:52
Nice to read an honest opinion Sir Loin, I like you fear for my team so we are both probably disliked here at the moment but we say what we believe even if it is a bit unpalatable for many.

23 Jul 2018 06:55:29
they are friendlies, give them a chance.

23 Jul 2018 08:19:25
sir loin I will go on record right now that if we finish lower than 8th ill wear a liverpool kit for the first game of the following season in the gwladys wer my season ticket is, have faith in silva mate we will be 7th at worst this year 5th at best.

23 Jul 2018 09:10:24
bloody heck some of our fans mate, lose a pre season friendly to the champions of Portugal and now were going down, swear sometimes we just asked to be laughed at by other fans.

23 Jul 2018 10:13:45
I'm with you Sir Loin.
We will get relegated, how on earth could we lose a friendly 1-0 and draw against Bury?
Lets get rid of Silva, he's had enough time to mould us into a top 4 side. I'm just getting prepared for when the season starts. How many games should we give him before we demand his head on a plaque?
S. O. S Sack Our Silva.

23 Jul 2018 13:44:41
Hmmmm a thumbs down,
Sometimes sarcasm manages to float way above some people's intellect.

23 Jul 2018 15:17:29
As I said and it's not a knee jerk reaction to this pre season. It's going of last season as well. We spent on the wrong players and failed to replace aging players.

This can never really be done in 1 window but it was a process that needed to begin a few years ago. We tried but again we signed the wrong players.

The club is trying to rectify that by bringing in Brands but I honestly do believe we will struggle this season as things stand!

23 Jul 2018 15:18:49
Hahaha I will hold you to that Johny.

23 Jul 2018 15:42:22
I do actually agree we will struggle a bit this season and you make some valid points SL.
I have to draw the line at us being relegated though lol.

23 Jul 2018 16:51:28
Well Sir_Loin, I think I have been usurped as the most negative of the Blues! In reality, you have some valid points, but I think you are jumping the gun a bit. The first 3rd of last season was spent without Bines, Coleman and Jags in the main. We had Martina, Kenny and a mixture of Holgate, Williams, Keane and the tea lady filling an at center back. We conceded goals like billyo! But when Jags, Baines and Coleman returned, the ship steadied and we climbed the table. I truly believe that Jags is too past it. but is still clearly our best center back. The same goes for Baines. bith need replacing now/ soon. Coleman has a couple more seasons left. So the doom mongering is a little premature. I am hoping Holgate at 21 is now ready to step up and Keane shoild be able to be man enough to show some leadership skills. If the Brazilian signs, that also sorts the left side. If Siggy, Davies and Gueye can sort the middle we can then play Tosun and Walcott too. suddenly the team is starting to take shape. But next season? Jags at 37 and Baines at 34? No way. and either is likely to suffer strains and pulls this season. so we need back up better than Martina, Williams and Kenny I feel. Kenny has potential but as yet is not ready in my humble opinion. So relegation? Not this season I hope. but we still need to replace Jags and Baines.

22 Jul 2018 21:12:05
Is Michael Keane good enough🤔.

22 Jul 2018 21:28:05
Nope, so far. he hasn’t been good enough and he certainly hasn’t shown any value for 30mil. It’s sticks in the throat that Harry Maguire was around 18mil too 🤢.

22 Jul 2018 21:37:15
Hope he can develop under Silva but he makes too many mistakes for my liking and doesn't look comfortable as a ball playing centre half. Maybe holgate would be a better option alongside our new centre half.

22 Jul 2018 21:58:29
Still unsure about him think he needs a settled partner next season who complements his style hope it's Mina but hearing Lyon are looking at him now.

22 Jul 2018 22:30:33
Yeah I think the Champions league pull will scupper us with the Columbian. Fingers crossed because he'd be a major upgrade and one that will score lots of goals too but always a nervy moment when a team playing in a glamorous competition comes knocking.

22 Jul 2018 14:36:44
Surely the Richarlson (spelling) rumour cannot be true and especially for 50 million.

22 Jul 2018 15:44:09
I think it’s moved beyond rumour stage. But the figure will appear to be lower.

22 Jul 2018 16:33:26
Sky reporting he's due to have a medical tomorrow. Personally I don't care how much he costs or what wages he's being paid as long as he gives 100% and improves our team then I will be happy. It's down to the powers to be to decide the financial side of things.

22 Jul 2018 17:09:21
Spot on anom.

22 Jul 2018 13:06:37
The word project in football is getting on my nerves somewhat it seems a buzz word everyone is using and I agree with having a long term plan but bottom line is if we don't get results fast there is no project.
Koeman came because of the project and was ditched very fast, so what I'm trying to ask is what do we except for this season what would be a successful season.

22 Jul 2018 15:11:09
Well we finished top 10 last season and already West Ham are stating that finishing round about Everton would be an achievement for them, and just look at the money they have spent. People were not happy with the Manager but for me he did the job asked of him. This coming Season the question is going to be can we be consistent, in his two seasons in the Prem Mr Silva was relegated with Hull and lacked consistency with Watford after a very good start. The signs up to now are that he (Silva) tends not to have second half of a Season stamina. But as said before we shall see.

22 Jul 2018 15:02:45
Project is a reasonable and applicable term. Development is related to this term. Look at Pochettino, he had a project and it is very successful. Reasonable short term success will be sought as well but it takes time, especially if we want to break into the top 6. We have done it before but I mean remain a consistant challenge to the top 6 whih no ody jas managed f0r a long long time.

22 Jul 2018 12:24:02
What do you guys mean when you say a player has a bad attitude and how do you know when a player has a bad attitude?
Is the perceived bad attitude only relevant for the current club a player is with?
Is there any possibility that with some players ambition is being mistaken for bad attitude?
Finally is it possible that when a player has a dip in form that lasts for more than a few weeks this could be mistaken for having a bad attitude?

{Ed025's Note - its a difficult one to pin down SOG, young guys are impressionable and with the trappings of fame and money their heads can swell and they can turn into monsters mate, also they have agents down their ears telling them how special they are and why they should be on more money, ambition is one thing but greed is another and im afraid the latter is more prevalent these days imo..

22 Jul 2018 15:09:23
Great reply Ed025 thank you.
I think you are right regards the agents, they convince a mediocre player that they are good enough to be a CL player and on the world stage. I also think that agents (or most of them) are behind a lot of what is wrong with todays players, in todays game it is the agents that hold all of the power, FIFA really needs to address this before it is too late.

{Ed025's Note - they are a curse on the game SOG they are bleeding it dry, when you see the likes of mino raiola making £42m out of the pogba deal its sickening, fifa are part of the problem mate so i cant see them doing anything..

22 Jul 2018 15:23:03
Hit the nail on the head there Ed25, I could be wrong but I am also assuming if a player stays and gets a wage increase, that would not do his agents bank balance much better, whereas a sale would be music to an agents ears with a percentage of the sale.

{Ed025's Note - every time bignev, i cant stand them leeches and they will end up killing the game mate..

22 Jul 2018 09:42:04
I find it hilarious when some fans say who they want in side for next year are basically the players we have already it's time to get ruthless for once we hang on to players far too long, and while it's not easy to get rid of ones that are on high wages we don't help ourselves Mirralas is worth about 5-10 million tops, so instead of just letting his contract run down and take a loss on a transfer fee, we give him a 3 year contract don't play him and then loan him out, while still paying wages, we could of potentially released him this year and got 80k a week of our books.

22 Jul 2018 10:22:20
Whilst I understand your point, we have to keep the best and strongest possible squad that we can. If that means 2 players for each position, then the 1st choice should be strong. The 2nd choice can have a bit of youth. but not unproven. So I would personally do what the management are currently doing. Trying to find other clubs for some of our mature high earners. Mirallas is not one of those. He still has a couple of years left in him and with the right coach has proved he has quality. So I would keep him or Bolasie. but not both. If Lookman's attitude is as bad as some say, then he would also have to go. but I suspect a lot of that is just the Leipzig boss tring to unsettle him. The ones who should be going are over 30's players. providing we have replacements currently or lined up. I supose if Richarlison is definate, then both Mirallas and Bolasie can go. Its all about numbers and quality. Apparently Besic was good last night and so that is possibly another consideration. My advice to you Trueblue is not to consider the money. that's what the management are there for. There are too many varients for us mere mortals to make sweeping statements about wages and balancing books. Ed002's post yesterday about temporary loans was an example of how complicated the money trail is.

22 Jul 2018 11:03:07
Doesn't make sense Degsy. You want to get rid of Lookman because of his questionable attitude but you want to keep mirallas who's attitude isn't questionable it's a proven bad attitude.
Lookman over mirallas all day long for me Degsy.

22 Jul 2018 11:51:16
Too right there Smit mate, Miralles is well past his sell buy date get rid too much bad attitude.

22 Jul 2018 12:17:30
Keep em both. If Silva is the man manager reputed to be then he will get the best out of Mirallas. Brandts and Silva (judging by their comments) have decided on the Squad they want - including incomings, so let's see what the Season brings.

22 Jul 2018 12:49:19
Mirralas has not played well for years I am not doubting he has ability, as I have seen it in spells but that’s not enough anymore I see him as 4th choice wide player in our current squad and we have not brought anyone in yet, if he can’t get in a team that’s been poor for 2-3 seasons then something is wrong.

22 Jul 2018 13:45:00
degsyp you continually state that players over thirty are two old and should be moved on or replaced. I personally don't understand your reasoning, why is the age of a player so relevant to their employment. A players age is not necessarily a good enough reason to get rid. Some players still have something to offer in their 30's its the players that don't perform we should be looking to get rid of whatever their age.

{Ed025's Note - i agree sa, your never too old or too young so long as you can still do the business mate..

22 Jul 2018 16:59:15
Well my post obviously reads different to how I was writing it. I was not trying to say keep Mirrallas and get rid of Lookman. although reading responses perhaps that's how it looked? No, what I was trying to say is that Mirrallas is still below 30 so I do not see him as some of the over 30's players like Williams who really is struggling now. Lookman has quality. I am not denying that. And youth on his side. What I was trying to say was leave the management to decide if either Mirrallas or Lookman do have bad attitudes. And yes I do continually state that age is important. Some younger players are not ready and some older players are no longer able to perform. That is fact at every club and the management do what they are supposed to do. Manage. My sincere apologies if it sounded like I was saying keep Mirrallas and get rid of Lookman. I certainly was not! Read it again more slowly if you doubt what I am saying.

22 Jul 2018 19:37:23
But mirallas is 30.

22 Jul 2018 07:52:19
I think success for both Liverpool and Everton is coming and I'd be delighted to see it.

Why do I think this? I see many teams falling down the pecking order the next few seasons.

Arsenal and Emery, he has to get it right which isn't an easy job to do, not with the quality in this league. If he doesn't then they're going to continue been 5th-7th, just as Liverpool were a few years ago. I rate Emery but I don't think he'll be successful at Arsenal, I think it'll take a few managers to get it right, unless the club are patient with him and wait a good 4 years so he can build his own team, we'll see but I don't see them been in top 4 anytime soon.

Spurs, it's a matter of time before they fall down a few places. They'll lose their key players most notably, Kane, Alderweireld, Alli, Trippier, Lloris and Vertonghen in the next couple of years. Spurs haven't exactly gone for it this window have they? I really think this with them being up there is very temporary, when they lose some of their top players they have to replace them well or they're going to suffer which as we all know, it isn't easy to do.

Chelsea, they're in a bit of a mess at the moment but let's not forget, they seem to thrive under pressure! still though, IF they lose Courtois and Hazard in one window then they're in trouble. A new manager, new everything, they're in for one hell of a rough ride in my opinion.

Utd, they'll always be up there as much as I hate to say it but they will, I can't stand Mourinho but he knows how to get results, I see them being a strong team come next season.

City will also always be up there but will they run off with the league like they did last season? not a chance, their defence is dire and people will attack them more which will see them cave in, we saw only a handful of teams last season attacking them and when they were attacked they crumbled because they can't handle it, they rely on their attacking threat too much. I hope to see more teams going at them next season because if they do god help them.

Liverpool have a more than capable squad especially now we have Alisson, it's a signing we've needed for years. The owners are fully behind Klopp which is pretty evident and Klopp is working his magic at Liverpool, we're up there ready to win that title, I said the other day I'm not the kind of person to say 'this is our year' I haven't said that for years but right now I am saying it because I do think it is, we're going to smash the league.

So where does that leave Everton? you need a hell of a lot of work there's no doubt about that but with ambitious owners like yours I wouldn't really worry about it, then you have Silva. They've committed themselves to a project, a project they intend on being successful. People may moan about this or that transfer fee but you have to think outside of the box a little and believe in what they're building, at least they're willing to put money in and go for it. It could be a lot worse.

There's plenty of spots up top ready for the taking and I genuinely believe Everton will take one of them. Patience is key here though, 3-5 years I'd say, let Silva get his desired team together and you'll be flying. It's easier said then done but fans play a massive part in all of this, you need to show support, it might be a bumpy year or 2 but given time I think you'll be laughing and I'd be happy to see that, forget rivalries/ banter I'd be chuffed to see Liverpool and Everton at the very top and it's coming!

As one wise man said 'It's time to turn doubters into believers'

Right or wrong, just my opinion :) good luck for next season, I'd usually be saying 'your going to need it' but seiously good luck, apart from when you play us, then I wish you the worst of luck on earth ;) .

Have a good Sunday!

{Ed025's Note - cheers salah..

22 Jul 2018 11:08:43
Good post Salah. I hope you do well, but not too well. Top 4 with everton top 3.😉.

22 Jul 2018 12:31:39
Sadly a Liverpool fan trying to be nice because he knows as we all do they will do well. Sadly many blues like myself feel we will not do well this season, yes we hope but do not believe.

22 Jul 2018 12:21:57
Excellent post Salah. Most of my generation (I am 78) came from mixed marriages. My Dad was a Blue and my Mum's family were Red. Big rivalry but it was not bitter and I never say anything bad about you lot. Good luck.

{Ed025's Note - the older generation seem more tolerant to me mike, in my day we all went to the game together red and blue alike and there was never a hint of trouble as far as i knew, it all ended up in the pub together whoever won and we were the envy of world football for that...maybe im an idealist mate but i really wish it was like that still now..

22 Jul 2018 13:56:02
Me too. Ppl will say that’s soft but it was great growing up and seeing mixed crowds at Anfield and Goodison. You can still be rivals without a punch up. All games should be mixed crowds. Sad reflection of football that blokes can’t sit together for 2 hrs without a fight.

22 Jul 2018 15:16:14
Salah seems like a nice guy, got his intentions wrong last time. But I just get tired of them, the majority of the people I know are reds, my everyday life is filled with them. Its nice to have a place were they don't usually go. Far too many enjoyed our misery last season and some who did, now have fake humility or the partonising and fake, you might do well this season wih the smug grin on their face. But I suppose I should not tar them all with the same brush. I went to watch the champs league matches wih liverpool fans and it was great, just got tired of them talking about Everton. Went to the semi-final second leg in my Dixie Dean top for banter haha but still supported them on as I got consumed by the atmosphere.

22 Jul 2018 18:33:38
Thanks all.

You hit the nail on the head there Ed25 and BlueMike1. End of the day life is too short to get daft about a game of football, we can all have our banter and what not but in the end all it's all about entertainment not being silly about it. Let's hope the younger generation can wise up in the future because that's where the problem lies, they take it too seriously!

You know it's at a bad stage when you can't take your kids to games because you want to avoid the confrontation/ abuse. I'd love to take my two boys to a Liverpool v Everton or a Liverpool v Utd match but I aren't wasting my time around the youngsters of today, I have to put up with them enough at work I can't have my kids around the fans of today, they're just too bitter.

{Ed025's Note - yeah its very sad mate..