Everton Banter Archive May 22 2018

22 May 2018 22:03:45
hi guys. i would just like to inform you about the sites charity game that will played on the 16th of june 3pm kick off at wroxton sports club oxon in support of SEVA and the Macmillan nurses

1. It is going to be an annual thing. We have two new kits, kindly bought by Ed002 and Ken.
2. Up till a month a go I had Dermot Gallagher refereeing ( he’s now on Hol, but I’ve emailed another efl referee )
3. We have named it the Matt Hawker cup, a legacy to Ed001s best mate who died from leukaemia.
4. We have a lovely little venue
5. It’s being live streamed on Facebook
6. We should have raised a thousand pounds for the charities
7. We will all be wearing black arm bands in honour of grumpy from the Everton page.
And finally we have people flying in from abroad to play in this game, with the possibility of meeting THE ed 002. this is a great idea started by benny baller and i would like to thank him for the fantastic gesture in memory of our friend GRUMPY TOFFEE. cheers benny please give generously to these 2 great causes guys. thanks..

23 May 2018 05:56:44
Have we got a link to donate to this ED025?

{Ed025's Note -there is one on the main page but i will get benny to put up a link on here gs mate..

23 May 2018 09:31:32
nice touch for grumpy that ed well done lads.

22 May 2018 14:26:11
Hi Ed. Not had a poll for a while. What about one on new manager?

Arteta
Silva
AVB
Howe
Conte

Seems to be the main names doing the rounds In the media.

{Ed033's Note -


Everton Manager Poll

22 May 2018 21:48:08
I think what hasn't helped with the Silva appointment, well at least me anyway. Arsenal getting Emery and West ham getting Pellegrini. Exciting managers for the clubs. I don't think ours is that exciting. I'm not saying he's going to do a rubbish job, just saying it's not a wow factor. Maybe just me.

22 May 2018 22:31:34
Emery is a big move for Arsenal I think they will be quite strong under Unai.
I don’t think the hammers getting Pellegrini is quite the same, it depends how well their board backs him financially, and also depends on whether they do get a DOF like Sullivan says they will. All the time Sullivan is running the show I think West Ham will struggle.

23 May 2018 07:26:49
The DOF will probably be Sullivan’s gobshite son.

23 May 2018 07:51:01
I like both managers but they both have to work with the same boards.

Arsenal seem intent on being happy they are in the top 6 after previously being happy in the top 4. It's no longer the Arsenal I remember who always had ambition to be at the top.

West Ham are one sorry looking club. Completely devoid of any understanding of the fans and are driven by their own back pockets.

They've got a manager hoping to get away from China and has questionable ambition at this stage of his career to try and appease fans. He will get pennies to spend despite the money they are making in the publicly funded ground they sit in and will probably be ousted when they struggle again next season.

Thank God we have Moshiri!

22 May 2018 19:42:19
If NSNO is to be believed, then for me this is bordering on the ridiculous. Close in on Silva by all means if that is the Owner, his advisors and Boards agreement/ decision but for Gods sake study the blokes record in the Premiership and temper your contract offer accordingly. Having deep pockets Mr Moshri, does not mean signing Silva on an initial 5-6 year permanent contract. That is not business sense.

22 May 2018 19:49:30
Is it not business sense? How about showing a statement of faith to the manager that he is backed. to the fans that he is a longterm vision after so many managerial changes recently. Perhaps it is great business sense if he is a stonking success, other teams want him and then he gets a significant compensation package for us due to the long term contract.
It's not your money, let Mr Moshiri spend it how he pleases.

{Ed025's Note - im with you worcester mate..

22 May 2018 19:54:53
Just read something similar, DFS, and I'm thinking the same thing as yourself. Why, with Silvas record in the premier league, would you offer such a big contract? Especially with the cash FM has already splurged on managers since he came in. Crazy but it's his money I suppose!

22 May 2018 20:10:08
Crazy or a stroke of genius? Time will tell I guess. My gut is telling me its the later :-)

22 May 2018 20:33:38
A few things to consider:

Silva’s record overseas was very good before he came to the UK.

Hull we’re going down before he got there but, like Moore at West Brom, he came close to keeping them up by playing attacking football.

Poch and a number of others didn’t have any EPL pedigree before they came to the UK.

Moshiri may well have put clauses in his contract that say if you don’t finish in X position or higher you get Y amount in severance.

Finally:

He isn’t Sam Allardyce.

{Ed025's Note - that last bit made me smile mate..love it..

22 May 2018 20:36:39
Looked after my money Worcester and Ed025, opinions are opinions and for me, I look at Silva's CV in the Premiership not in Micky Mouse leagues. Did he compete in the top Leagues of Italy, Spain or even France. I can only repeat if we are going down the route of having a DoF (Brands a man of experience and no mean success in the role) then it is not a Manager we are hiring but a Head Coach and that being the case a 5-6 year contract is reckless but if we are going down that road, doesn't a rolling contract make more sense. If Silva is as good as he or others think he is then a 1 year rolling contract is surely acceptable.

{Ed025's Note - to be honest im not sure how it works DFS, but continuity and commitment from both parties sounds the way forward to me mate..

22 May 2018 21:28:07
What is it you how long he gets on a contract? And what message do you think it sends to both manager and player offering him a one year deal? We don't even know if he's getting a 5 or 6 year deal or are you part of the negotiations?

If your going to rant over him then keep it sensible. You sound like a baby throwing his toys out of the pram.

22 May 2018 21:36:05
5 or 6 years does sound excessive and a very long time for a first contract. If it’s to be, then I’d expect clauses protecting the club from the obvious concerns a long contract can raise. As FM built his fortune on accountancy then I’d rather expect him to have any financial concerns addressed.

Having said that, I can see the benefits of showing a long term commitment to a manager who knows full well that we have had too many managers over the last few years.

Of course, this is all irrelevant if he wins games.

22 May 2018 21:41:10
Would we all want pep or conte or pocchetino as our manager?
Ok so how would they have done and what position would they have finished with Hull and Watford?
Watford went through a bad run of games, but so did Koeman in his 1st season (10 I think) and still finished 7th. Difference being, Watford sacked him before he could turn it around.
Let's give him a chance guys.

22 May 2018 22:02:39
bluejohnus, I got the information of 5 or 6 year contract from the illustrious NSNO. There really is no need for you to be so rude and insulting. Part of the reason why some of us take a break is those such as yourself taking a personal attitude. I thank you for reminding me why I left this board in the first place.

22 May 2018 23:06:39
Sorry if you think I'm being rude and insulting but you just sound bitter because you want someone else other than Silva i. e. toys out the pram. Instead of judging him on his successes you are focusing on a tough job at hull plus a downturn in events probably to do with us at Watford.

It didn't seem sensible in your suggestion of a rolling one year contract as no-one in the EPL gets hired on a one year contract and would consider it as - well - a bit insulting.

NSNO I'm pretty sure are not part of the negotiations either but if it is that length of contract so be it. What does it matter?

Don't take it personal but I'm just rather direct. 😁.

22 May 2018 11:36:44
. so Hammers name Pellegrini, Arsenal about to name Emery and nothing yet from us. It looks like it's going to be Silva and I wish him all the best but I can't help feeling that once more Everton FC is not thinking big enough and going for second best. I mean Benitez, Emery, Wenger, Fonseca, Nangolen - these guys are all proven winners and would of been a step in the right direction in my opinion. to be fair to Farhad he's certainly splashed the cash on players, credit where due, but each of his managerial appointments thus far have been a complete failure, 1 feels he needs to get it right this time and all I'm saying is I think we could do a lot better than Silva and think higher and recruit from a number of proven managerial winners who are available!

22 May 2018 12:19:32
What's to say any you mentioned would consider joining us. We may of enquired and been rejected. Just because it isn't in the rags doesn't mean it hasn't happened. Silva is highly thought of and imo a decent choice. We will certainly play better and more attractive football than we have done for past 6 months.

22 May 2018 12:45:50
When Silva has been with a club that isn’t struggling he’s done well. He’s won leagues and cups. You could argue the competitive nature of the leagues he’s worked in but then the PL is an animal of its own.

Whilst I worry about the speed of the downturn once it started at Watford, I also am impressed by his record at such a young age. He has a good coaching reputation in the game. We don’t have to worry about recruitment as we have a new DOF for that.

He’s proved he can win things and is not afraid of the top six teams. (Beaten Man U and Liverpool) . I’d happily give this guy a go as at the very least we will see better football than least season.

22 May 2018 13:16:17
So we are not hiring a Manager but a coach working under an experienced DoF. If that is what Toffee Ace and others are saying then the likes of Martinez, Silva, Howe fit the profile. The outstanding candidate though and a proven winner at this level is Benitez. And yes it is not a case of could but I would certainly say that Silva has won things but in Micky Mouse Leagues. He took Hull down and the speed of Watfords decline under him is certainly worrying. The quality and speed of the changes since Wednesday show that Mr Moshri is almost certainly taking good advice from someone who knows his/ her stuff. Hopefully Mr Brands even though he does not start until next week has given Mr Moshri other options other than Mr Silva and Mr Howe.

22 May 2018 14:22:19
Theres just no winning here with whomever we appoint. Frankly It's pathetic!

There's cons to every manager we could appoint. Arteta - lack of experience. Emery - never managed in EPL, Wenger - stuck in his ways of 20 years ago and unwilling to evolve his style to a new premiership style, Silva - Down with Hull and went off the boil at the end of his Watford tenure etc etc. Let's just show faith that the club know better than us and give our new manager a fighting chance before the boo boys set out on another mission to get somebody out of the club. As for those whinging about the speed of appointment, isn't it a good thing to assess our opportunities fully before making a rash appointment just to be quick?

Personally speaking i think the stand out candidate and personal choice would be Benitez, he does wonders in the EPL and Newcastle will be a real threat next year because of him! But we just cannot bring him in, it's very well known about his demands to have sole control over transfer dealings and that would nullify our appointment of Brands. So my full support goes to whomever gets the job and i intend to give the very minimum of a full season to see how he gets on before i even contemplate criticism, it takes time to build something after all!

22 May 2018 14:40:45
Well it stands to reason that if you hire someone of Brands reputation, you would certainly get him to work on the most important appointment we can make this summer. And indeed if there’s a better yet realistic target out there then I’m all for it. I don’t think Benitez is realistic though as he’s a Liverpool fan and has a job he can stay in if he chooses. Ashley is desperate for him to stay so I can’t see that happening. But I’m not against it.

There may still be a twist like there was when it looked certain that Arteta would go to Arsenal. Some new names being mentioned are Arteta and AVB.

It does look like the younger the appointment the more likely it will be more coach than manager. Well if that structure works then I’m sold.

22 May 2018 14:55:35
. the point I’m trying to make is that we keep getting told as supporters that the powers that be at the Club have ambitions of Everton breaking into the top 4, but the facts of the matter are that we havnt won anything or any silverware/ cups for 30 years? There’s probably a reason for this and as our club motto is ‘nil satis nisi optimum’, let's for the first time in 30 years show some ambition and go for a manager that has won silverware and has those credentials to help us achieve those aims and be the best, for me Benitez would be good but I will back Silva if he gets the job!

22 May 2018 15:15:51
Newcastle will be mid table at best next season. Ashley will not give Benitez a transfer kitty large enough to improve the team any further. That may be the one reason if Benitez was to leave.

And the reason for him not coming to us because of the transfer control makes a whole lot of sense.

22 May 2018 15:39:41
It's just an echo chamber lads.
You sign up to discuss rumours and we all find ourselves frustrated at a fugazi.

It's micro madness. Step back it's all ok.

22 May 2018 15:53:50
I don't buy into this are new manager must be a proven winner tosh. Any manager is a risk and winning trophies doesn't necessarily mean they would be able to do it in the PL. Her's one for all the must be a proven winner fans in the last two seasons his team has won 4 trophies and two league titles his current team has win ration of 70.83% his previous a win ratio of 50%. Now these stats are as good as any of the managers mentioned and yet somehow I don't think many would like to see the proven winner Brendon Rogers as our next manager. How about we just let our management select the next manager and we just support them without whinging about who the haven't picked or considered according to the media.

22 May 2018 18:46:59
Quite agree SA, but why are we dragging our feet when both Arsenal and West Ham, have made their choices and have time now to evaluate their playing staff. I just hope if it is Silva or whoever they are already talking with our new DOF. We can't have another start like last season.

22 May 2018 19:47:21
Of course I will give my full support to whoever is appointed and agree with Toffee Ace. However there is a but and that is the Club apparently hell bent on giving Silva a 5-6 year contract from the off. Does anyone seriously agree with that?

{Ed025's Note - stability..total commitment...is it really so hard to believe DFS?, if farhad believes he is the long term solution then who are we to rain on his parade mate?..

22 May 2018 21:33:39
Spot on sa90.

23 May 2018 06:47:30
Actually, in a perverse way, if we are offering Silva a 5-6 year contract it is reassuring to me. The fact thaton how they rate him Everton/ Moshiri, who have just recently been stung by Koeman for 18 months remaining on his contract and by Allardyce for 12 months, have the faith in Silva, who they know far better than any of us, says a lot on how they rate him.


The other thing that should reduce our worries is that Everton/ Moshiri have shown the ruthlessness necessary to get rid of Koeman and Allardyce when they didn't work out


Stop fretting, have faith and start dreaming. Get behind whoever they eventually appoint and enjoy the ride

COYB NSNO.

{Ed025's Note - amen to that bw..

22 May 2018 09:40:44
Would you take Zaha if the only way they'd do a deal was if it meant Lookman going the other way.

22 May 2018 11:07:58
absolutely not lookman is just as good now and is only getting better.

22 May 2018 11:56:24
I think they would take Bolasie as part of the deal so would not be too worried about Lookman.

If we are aiming bigger and get top class replacements in, would this push Lookman further down the pecking order anyway.

22 May 2018 13:38:40
With Brands on board now, I can see Lookman coming back into the fold. He and some others we have out on loan are very good players, developing all the time. Martinez was good at introducing good young players but Koeman believed his own hype. Allardyce was brought in to do a job and told us from the beginning he did not have the time to nurse along up and coming talent until we were mathamatically safe. that's why this time we need a person that knows how to bring through and give confidence to Lookmans like and that person has to be given time and the supporters given notice of this.

22 May 2018 21:10:22
I think that Zaha may suffer from "London Boy Syndrome" whereby if he spends 3 consecutive days north of Watford he comes out in hives. I think Lookman may have signed for us before the virus could fully develop. The only other way is to sign someone 30ish like Kevin Campbell in whom the virus may be dying out but an initial loan signing is recommended.

21 May 2018 23:25:01
the usmanov shares going to Africa I think just google africas richest man buying arsenal and then work out what 1 and 1 adds up to.

22 May 2018 09:33:05
that's from last summer buddy.