Everton Banter Archive October 22 2017

22 Oct 2017 23:16:33
I'm actually scared we may get relegated.

{Ed025's Note - it has crossed my mind as well cosh mate..

23 Oct 2017 01:05:31
You lads won't get relegated, you've had a terrible start, 9 games in with a to put it politely rubbish manager, you still have 29 games remaining. No chance your going down, as long as RK is gone asap that is, if the owners stand behind him then your doomed (that won't happen mind) .

You have Chelsea Wednesday in the cup game, doesn't mean it's the end though, to me the players aren't playing for him because of his ridiculous setup. Should he be sacked for example tomorrow, that could well change.

I still expect you to lose against Chelsea don't get me wrong but what I'm saying is, I think you'll see a huge performance increase once that fella is out the door. I can only guess but surely the players are wanting the same as you fans? They are obviously unhappy under him.

If I was an Everton fan, the biggest thing I'd be worried about right now is who you'd be getting in to replace RK. RK been sacked is inevitable but you must get a top replacement otherwise you really are doomed. You can't replace trash with trash. After such a bad start you need to start getting results. I expect you fellas to approach Silva, to me he'd be a perfect fit, whether he would join or not is another matter.

All in all, it's too early to talk about relegation, you'll pick it up.

23 Oct 2017 01:16:03
Crossed mine too. I remember moyes having a good 1St season and finished just above relegation in his second. He went on to do fairly well after that. It's frightening that Rooney, capt at man utd, Williams, swans and Wales capt, jags, our capt, and baines our dept capt, yet they have there heads down when the going gets tough.

Should be grabbing other by the scruff of the neck and demanding a performance. What I'd give for a van den hauwe, peter reid, dave Watson, Rhino, or Joe parkinson to be on the pitch for us this day and age. Just a team if wimps who are scared to make a mistake incase the gaffer slates them in public. Back to basics I think. 442 needs playing.

Forget the Dm and am. 4 defenders, 4 midfielders and 2 strikers. I've seen big clubs be relegated and not come back up, Notts forest, Leeds, Sheffield Wednesday, God even Coventry were third in the longest top flight after arsenal and us, and look at them now. there's no confidence, and that's the team, the staff, the board and importantly the fans. I'm dreaming the Chelsea game Bugthorpe there us a major turn around and quickly.

23 Oct 2017 01:45:32
I think a long season, many quality players who product is not quite greater than the sum of the whole yet, and new leadership will help. Top ten maybe in the long run. But this ain't what we expected this year.

As yes we do not have a big striker, but Moyes seemed to get by with a hodge podge of players the last few years.

A little addition in January and we'll be better, just not Manc-MC-Spur-Gunner-Chelsea ready.

22 Oct 2017 18:41:27
Hi Ed 025,now that the dust has settled on that debacle at Goodison this afternoon what do you reckon will happen now, especially with the new stadium in the pipeline, will Mr Moshiri stick or twist with Ronald Koeman will he continue to trust him now that it has gone so badly wrong, my thoughts on this for what its worth is he will show him the door, after all he is a very successful business man and surely will now have no hesitation in getting rid of him and admit he also got it wrong in appointing him in the first place, cheers mate.

{Ed025's Note - my guess...and it is a guess GB, is that he will be shown the door very soon mate..

22 Oct 2017 20:04:42
We all know the saying " live by the sword die by the sword" - well from what I gather and heard snippets of Koeman will be given his marching orders very shortly. no one to blame but himself.

He had money but wasted it on average / castoffs of players.

Other than say Klassen and ramirez ( and the pair of them are S$$t) who came from respected teams the rest of the dross Koeman bought were from struggling mid table teams / relegated teams / freebies and were players that were surplus to requirements to their teams ( schneidelin / Rooney and co)

Always thought martinez was let go to soon and how true I am - his man management skills were better - he played attacking football and we scored goals ( defence was garbage but that would have been fixed )

Koeman on the other hand was an exceptional player but look at his managerial resume - some great clubs but doesn't last - why I wonder - he has no man management skills and his tactics are shocking

Onwards and upwards and once Koeman has gone ( with his cronies and that includes Steve " i find gems " Walsh ) maybe we can look forward to entertaining football once more.

22 Oct 2017 20:38:54
Martinez would have had us relegated.

22 Oct 2017 20:39:00
Klassen and Ramirez are young players ina new country and different culture!
Where is the management of these lads?
We were excited at their arrival and we all thought Ramirez was a steal after the U21 cup!
They need our and the clubs support to succeed! I for one hope they stay work hard and develop!
Cmon guys let’s not turn on everyone?

22 Oct 2017 20:44:21
"martinez gone to soon". I don't know what to say to that. the year Aston villa got relegated. between Xmas and end of season Everton had worst home defensive record in league. actually in Europe. fact. Martinez admitted he didn't practice set pieces. attacking or defending. indeed when they were faced with a set piece. he would retreat and Steve round would step forward, and bark orders. sorry but completely disagree with that. only Lukaku goals stopped Everton being a relegation team. however, at least RM had a game plan, and a best 11 I suppose, which is more than rk.

22 Oct 2017 18:12:44
Them Liverpool fans trolling the Everton match live chat must be feeling a bit blue funny old game.

22 Oct 2017 17:11:23
Where are all the bigheads Gone? You know, the ones who were arguing if we would finish 3rd or 4th.

22 Oct 2017 17:30:45
If you turn the paper upside down it may be right.

22 Oct 2017 17:36:49
3rd or 4th? Did not see too many saying that but I was one of the 'bigheads'.

So you are happy that is not achievable now and glad we have had a miserable start. I'm certainly not.

22 Oct 2017 17:53:53
with you on that NBTB mate, i was one of Koemans fans at the start, will hold my hand up now as I was so wrong, and I want him out pronto.

22 Oct 2017 18:32:21
Wrong already?

22 Oct 2017 19:05:13
Exactly GuernseyBlue. At least will put our hands up and admit it. Most won't. Blue76, we may not be wrong but it doesn't look promising does it?

22 Oct 2017 19:17:01
Very grim mate if he stays on.

22 Oct 2017 19:34:23
Too many players. Very difficult opening fixtures. Not sure what anyone expects a new manager to be able to do when they can't do anything until Xmas window. Do not become a terrible manager over night. Board screwed up getting 2 strikers. Unlucky with injuries. It's a lot of crap now but it will be ok.

I said in the summer the days of throwing money around and assuming success instantly have been gone a long time. 2 wins on the bounce in the league and things will look very different.

Ok it's not a nice time to be a blue but we're all used to that in the last 27 years. All the bigheads/ mouths talking like Jimmy bigballs was fun but ultimately set for a fall. Whoever is in charge would have some bumps along the way. It's going to take 3 or 4 seasons to get to where all the dreamers were expecting this season.

Yeah we spent big for us and yeah that carries an expectation. Totally get that but come on! The club was full of a lot of dead wood. Koeman clearly wanted not only 2 or 3 more in, he wanted 3 or 4 more out.

I also wonder how many chiefs are all throwing in their transfer targets? Not sure how a sought after manager can turn into a fool so quickly. The home support is dreadful. We've become too arrogant too quickly and we need to calm down. I believe RK is the man for the job but admit he is making it harder to support him. But really?

DM back in the hot seat? Pah! As for killing Big Dunc and Rhino. get your heads back in the real world. If we recover to qualify for Europe it will be incredible. Unlikely sure. Top 10 now is going to be a good finish. I have a feeling we will still bounce back to 7th.

I really believe a decent 9 in the window with a fit Bolassie and Coleman giving us width and pace along with a CB and we will be a revelation. Not sure on Mori recovery time but I can see how he would give RK the tools to play how he wants. Basically we are stuck in a rut with no obvious way out. And I think sacking this manager only adds to our woes.

22 Oct 2017 20:04:59
Actually I am proud to say I was wrong.

Proud because as a true supporter who feels very strongly for Everton I refused to write them off before they had even kicked a ball,

Proud because even though I did not want RK as manager I was at least willing to believe in him and give him time,

Proud because even though I did not agree with all of our summer signings I did not write them all off pre-season,

Proud because even now I would welcome BK with open arms after all he has done for us,

Proud because I will not blame the board for this little hic-cup and not cry that they should all be replaced.

Proud, yes because I support Everton.

22 Oct 2017 20:26:30
To be honest for me I was suspicious of Koeman his dour disposition reminded me so much of Moyes! But I believe we need to give the full opportunity!
So many wanted Klopp and his personality is much easier to warm to!
This may sound stupid but I hated the new kit with a vengeance and to me it does have a meaning as a player!
I could not understand how a manager and our board could not get a replacement for Lukaku! Then how we embarrassingly chased Giroud till we had no other option.
So 8 games in we are in the bottom 3 virtually out of Europe and facing a relegation dogfight!
Who there now can change this for the club and the fans?
RSVP Everton board.

22 Oct 2017 16:45:31
Words fail me.
No passion and no quality.
From top to bottom of our club there seems to be a recurring problem.
Now we are back to the days of relegation battles.
You may say i'm being premature but the amount of goals we are conceding compared to what we are scoring is clearly the form of a relegation candidate.
Wr even.

22 Oct 2017 16:40:17
Never thought I would say this but we really need someone like Allardyce to pull us out of the position we are in! Its now all about survival top 7 has gone!
You can look at the points and think its not a huge gap but its the players mentality that also needs fixing!

{Ed025's Note - sams good at fixing things wakka...if he gets a brown envelope..

22 Oct 2017 16:53:16
Lucky Moshiri has plenty to fill it with lol.

22 Oct 2017 16:55:15
Desperate times desperate measures Ed025.

22 Oct 2017 16:14:18
Taught a huge lesson today in terms of passing and movement, also shots us 8 them 30! Possession 33-67% massive gulf add our poor decision making ie stupid 2nd from Gana, and it's a sad day for us all round!

22 Oct 2017 15:47:14
RK on sky. Now blaming the sending off. The guy has no idea about what he is talking about. Let's face it, deep down we all knew we would probably get hammered today given the way we have been playing.
Things will not improve, nothing will change and we will get relegated if it's allowed to continue. He has to go, and go now.

22 Oct 2017 16:23:47
the sending off was Gana's fault a ridiculous challenge when your on a yellow!

22 Oct 2017 17:35:43
Should never have been on a yellow to start with, not that its an excuse but the official today was a disgrace, I thought Sanchez was the referee today the amount of officiating that he done, add to that the fact it took over 80 minutes before he even booked an Arsenal player made me wonder how many of them he has in his fantasy football team! Its embarrassing that they are now called professional. Don't get me wrong this isn't the reason we got beat but maybe the theatrics of Arsenal would have stopped if the so called Professional got a grip early on.

22 Oct 2017 15:44:18
Surely surely Koeman is sacked. That was inept, disorganised, dispirited, gut wrenching, horrible, nightmarish, frightening, scary, shambolic, wretched, abysmal, failure, weak, hurtful, shameful, abject, disaster, catastrophic, woeful, terrible and simply put p##s poor. We will be relegated the way things stand!

{Ed025's Note - so your not happy mate?..

22 Oct 2017 15:35:47
Think I'd rather have gone to the dentist after all now, would have been fun.

22 Oct 2017 16:46:42
Got the Grand Daughter round, so can't even have a few beers. Now if next doors cat, craps on my lawn again today!

{Ed025's Note - draw a picture of koeman on its arse dunc..

22 Oct 2017 15:20:39
Koeman has to go now but for the love of god we shouldn't go back to Moyes!

22 Oct 2017 15:41:39
Rhino in now to steady the ship. Do'nt want Moyes back.

22 Oct 2017 15:48:57
couldn't agree more!

22 Oct 2017 16:18:24
Moyes would have done well with the millions that RK has been able to spend, but everyone has moved on since he left us - us for the better (financially at least! ) and him not so (as a manager/ coach) .

22 Oct 2017 12:27:19
That

{Ed025's Note - im afraid that is the only word in your post that was suitable for posting cruncher...please try to moderate your language mate..

22 Oct 2017 13:14:57
At last someone speaking sense. 😂.

22 Oct 2017 15:30:14
Sounded like flat blunt?

22 Oct 2017 19:14:10
Who can finish Crunchers sentence? 😂.

22 Oct 2017 12:02:10
Who remembers the Everton side of the early 80's onwards. Deja vu watching Huddersfield against Utd yesterday. Exactly the way that Everton side played. Oh if Koeman just took a leaf out of that book.

{Ed025's Note - your talking my era dunc..

22 Oct 2017 12:10:17
No we had some teams then. it's a shame that the last few generations have never seen an Everton team as good. nor witnessed goodison atmospheres like back then.

22 Oct 2017 16:07:20
They looked like a team that enjoyed playing for club and the manager also like the 80's squad!

22 Oct 2017 08:58:13
Red on in peace.
Hi blues. Never done this before.
Just wanted to say I think koeman has missed a massive trick. Your group of young players all or most involved in England winning the wc . He could've done a Fergie. He did it with the nevilles Beckham etc . Then added pickford Keane experience of rooney and baines and I think it could've worked. Just my view through the mist across the park.

22 Oct 2017 09:15:58
That's the problem with Koeman, he can't or won't coach them. Maybe some of these stories in the press about his Godlike attitude have a grain of truth in them. He is no Fergie,

22 Oct 2017 09:46:48
Took Fergus a few years to turn it around. classic fan memory. useless and made up to suit his own deluded agenda.

22 Oct 2017 05:15:58
{Ed's Note - we have posted a new article entitled, Premier League Match Previews Sunday 22nd October 2017

22 Oct 2017 15:47:12
Great preview. You can tell Ed25 has watched a lot of Everton this season with his 0-4 prediction.

{Ed025's Note - they even let me down by scoring CT..