Everton Banter Archive December 23 2018

 

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23 Dec 2018 21:08:55
Some people needed a reality check and they have had it over last few weeks we are 4/ 5 years of where spurs are and anyone who thought we can compete with top 4/ 5 within a season or 2 were deluded.
That is no excuse to loose 2-6 but we need to be positive get some wins together and access the season in may, we tried going toe to toe with them but we didn't react in the game to there movement that was causing problems even before first goal went in.

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23 Dec 2018 22:58:54
TB can u explain why Leicester and palace win away, but we can't in years.

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23 Dec 2018 23:12:54
You stick to positive I will still to being dark loud merry xmas.

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23 Dec 2018 20:18:56
Ok we got played today. Back I August most of us agreed we ate in transition and would have to be patient and expect hiccups along the way. Today was a real hiccup but to start moaning now is a real snowflake reaction. See the big picture and in 2 years time I imagine 6 or 7 of today's ream will have been replaced anyway.

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{Ed025's Note - i get that rick but to play that badly really hurts, im with you in hoping its the long game but you and i both know thats just not how football works in this day and age mate..

23 Dec 2018 20:49:49
It’s not a snowflake reaction. I’ve always backed Silva but we’ve dropped about 12 points in the run up to this that we’re down to poor managerial decisions in team selection, shape and subs. Granted he’s won a few with subs, but anyone could see at half time that we were struggling.

I’ve said for nearly two years that Davies wasn’t up to it. Today he looked more first division or kids team because he runs round like a headless chicken but I can’t see the point in him. DCL played OK but isn’t ready to lead the line yet and was isolated. Dig was trying to do too much because nobody knew where Davies would be one second to the next. Even Gomes was hot and cold.

Pickford made a couple of mistakes but wasn’t at fault for all the goals. Digne played well (again) but the rest of the defense was appalling.

Richarlison looks increasingly expensive and Walcott really has no decision making ability or end product.

For the first time I’m doubting Silva.

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23 Dec 2018 21:05:13
What does he bring Windsor? How come all these other so-called weaker Clubs are making the right decisions. We are not a glamour Club, are we hoping to be? Why are we continually picking these Managers with no CV.

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24 Dec 2018 10:00:00
KTF - if you mean what does Silva bring, he brings an attacking mindset but my worry is that he is starting to look like an impact manager. He seems to join a club, turn them round with a gung ho approach that takes other teams by surprise for six months, but then he gets found out and becomes far less effective.

I get that it will take time, but getting done 2-6 at home by anyone is inexcusable, particularly off the back of two home draws against Newcastle and Watford. It worries me that a few weeks ago he was making subs that positively changed games but yesterday he looked lost.

The whole “if that goal hadn’t been disallowed it would have been a different game” mindset drives me mad.
They’d still have thoroughly out-thought, out-competed and out-played us. I’ve also seen people blaming the atmosphere saying the players have nothing to play for. How about their huge salaries? The rest of us don’t rely on getting a standing ovation and our names sung by our colleagues when we arrive at work, we do it to put food on the table, to progress and for a sense of personal pride.

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23 Dec 2018 20:18:38
Nothing short of a awful but we have to expect games like this for a while. Brands needs to somehow do his magic and get better quality players in. We need to get some money in for people who are simply picking up a wage - Naisse, schniderlin, Toson, Sandro for example.
Need someone at club to decide if Galloway, garbutt, Kenny, Davies, garbutt hollgate, Dowell Robinson etc have future - if not need to move a few on. Quality over quantity (as spurs showed today) .
It's going to be rough for couple of years I think but I do not want manager after manager.

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{Ed025's Note - but he has to turn things around and quickly sobs, or as sure as eggs is eggs beople will be calling for his head mate..

23 Dec 2018 20:43:13
Nothing short of shameful. In my earlier guise most of you had a right go. Just look at the blokes CV for gods sake. I was there yet again today, sit a third of the way up, no shape, obvious spaces to fill and run into. Thing is it wasn't us as the home team but Spuds, filling those spaces. Thought Martinez a good coach but rubbish Manager (could not understand with his CV why he was hired at THIS Club in the first place) . Koeman I could see because of the prestige but CV said no. We then bring in Alardyce, the guy delivers what is on the can! If we are serious about progressing do due Dilligence. Yes I am seriously advocating getting rid at this stage, I promise you we will not finish higher than 8th-9th a position Sam was slapped for.

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{Ed025's Note - rome was not built in a day ktf, we all knew this was a long term project mate..

23 Dec 2018 20:59:59
Sobs, Who are these people. Beginning of the season we were on our way, on the right Kenny and Walcot had a good understanding LW Digne and Richarlison good understanding. Chances being made but not being taken, more importantly though the defence covered by the DM. And nobody is calling for the blokes head Ed25, just merely pointing out that as with Martinez and Koeman, some really bad advice is being taken by the ownership. There is absolutely nothing in all three's CV to justify their appointment at our Club. The only one of the three that could be justified is Koeman on a pure prestige point of view and attractivness for our great Club.

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{Ed025's Note - you are saying hes not good enough to manage the club ktf, surely that is the same as calling for his head?, chopping and changing managers when we lose a few games is not the answer mate, its about building and improvement and that takes time..

23 Dec 2018 21:06:58
No comfort Ed025,

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{Ed025's Note - im not saying it was great ktf, it was bloody awful and performances like that have to be eradicated, but this is our club and we have to stick together in good times and bad, thats what being a supporter is all about mate..

23 Dec 2018 21:35:31
Played with some good lads in my day (Pele) Ed25 and managed a few most have never hear of. The point is (I assume we are of equivalent age}, since Moyes we have been scrabbling. Be honest, this lad is Martinez without the waffle.

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{Ed025's Note - im hoping your wrong ktf, yes there are concerns of course there is, but i have been around for 60 years and have seen the good the bad and the downright ugly, but this is my team and i will always back them to the hilt and i believe in moshiri and the vision he has for the club, at the moment he is backing silva and brands and thats good enough for me, of course things may change and my views along with it, but thats football mate..

23 Dec 2018 21:38:56
Unacceptable sobs, NO we do not have to accept. I am appalled.

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24 Dec 2018 18:42:41
Well you are in for some bad days because we are miles off Chelsea, city, spurs, Liverpool and Arsenal. Add in Utd and we have 1 point - we have had no manager in premiership era who has anything more than a shocking record against all of these clubs - and you can chuck in Utd as well. Not a single player would get in the top 6 - that’s awful to say by honest.

I think 20 or so need to be off the books - garbutt, Williams, jags, Galloway, Browning, marralas, scnindetlin, Besic, jmac, Bernard, lookman, Sandro, Naisse, Toson - then think about signing some quality players.

I know that sounds really shocking but we are too loyal to some of these players - lookman has done nothing but people make out he is pele, people saying there is a player in Sandro - well he has scored 1 goal in 2 seasons and Naisse tries hard so people think he should start up front. Baines legs have gone yet people think he should somehow be bossing midfield - it’s crazy.

Until drastic action is taken we will be same year on year.
I do think this will be addressed but I think it will be 2 seasons minimum before we are closing these gaps.

We now have players belonging to 4 different managers and we just keep on signing and signing mediocrity - wanting more and more players.

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23 Dec 2018 19:58:44
Coleman is not playing well, looks like he is badly lacking confidence In himself and lacks leadership, no real understanding with Walcott nowhere near the level he should be, worrying situation for the Manager.

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{Ed025's Note - but if it was just seamus and theo i could understand it uran, but the whole side looked disjointed mate, im hoping that was a bad day at the office and we learn a lot from that debacle..

23 Dec 2018 21:10:32
Your Right Ed025 but in these games you fine your level at this moment, everyone looked suspect apart from Digne, did I miss something why no Lookman?

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{Ed025's Note - im not sure mate..

23 Dec 2018 21:23:12
That same side with Kenny and Walcot operated spot on, as soon as Coleman became available he slotted straight back in. Now I would have hoped/ wish that we have a manager big enough not to have favourites, as has happened in the past. This fella started out with aplomb and following apparently the script he and we envisaged. Correct me, but Kenny and Walcott zapped it, Digne and Richarlison zapped it, we just missed that give it welly lad up front. We slipped a bit and then it seemed that Mr Silvas web surfers started hitting lie down instead of stand up waves.

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23 Dec 2018 22:22:53
Why do you criticise the Manager?
Let’s hope this Manager is here for a long time, hindsight is a wonderful thing, we need to know the level of our players and at this moment against top quality they are lagging but that is about right we are not a top 5 team yet and we need games and results like today for us to improve, I am sure Marco and Brand have been well aware of Everton standard for a while, but let’s look on the bright side, he now knows what is needed, could be major surgery though!

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23 Dec 2018 19:42:54
Okay, now I've taken a breath 6 - 2 is a fu**in embarassment, but, (and don't shoot me for this) I've seen us play a lot worse. The difference was Spurs were just so much better at every aspect of their game than we were today and it's glaringly obvious were we need to improve. We need a clinical goal scorer (or two) and our defense has to stop making so many riddiculous mistakes. We have some really talented players at the club now. The problem is they aren't quite working as a Team at the moment.

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{Ed025's Note - it was awful to watch BigH, so many individual errors and the team looked like they had never played with each other before, bit of a dent in my optimism today i have to say mate..

23 Dec 2018 21:45:24
Its bloody simple, Kenny and Walcot played well together, Zouma/ Mina Ken played well together, Digne/ Richarlison played well together. Sort out the lad at the front.

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23 Dec 2018 19:34:56
not saying we would have won the game but its hard npt to say that ref and his linesmen wer a disgrace today, we should have been 2 nil up and flying but instead wer 1 1 and then spurs could stand offside and get away with it all game, also harry kane didn't try and win one header against keane today just jumped into him and ref did nothing.

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{Ed025's Note - i get your points johny but lets be honest mate..it was men against boys im afraid,,

23 Dec 2018 21:48:53
Blinkers Johnny, we loaded up with storage.

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23 Dec 2018 18:17:31
poor game obly 2 players can hold there head up after that game, dinge and Lewin, calvert lewin scores against city away then sets up the first goal today then has one disallowed pathetically, needs help uptop as he's isolated all the time. poor but let's not let it ruin xmas lads we be on 30 points come r next home game.

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23 Dec 2018 18:33:13
What is depressing is that we are behind where Alardyce had us in points at this stage. I don't care what anyone says the first rule is don't concede and don't keep repeating the same mistake over and over again.

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23 Dec 2018 18:48:59
we lack a leader on the pitch, look at the reds pains me to say but the difference is VVD he's a leader and organised there defence and look at the difference in there team this year, we need a voice on the pitch.

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23 Dec 2018 19:15:26
Next game is Burnley, let's assess after that, I know we are away but Burnley cannot buy a win at the moment and Dyche (who I rate incidentally, I wonder what he or Moyes would do with our resources) , has resorted to blaming referees etc!

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23 Dec 2018 19:20:47
We might be behind big sam’s points total but I’d rather go down than watch his Everton side. We are far ahead of his Everton side and if you can’t see that I’m not sure how to begin to explain it to you.

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23 Dec 2018 19:24:42
Agree with you there Preston mate.

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23 Dec 2018 20:24:11
And I don't CARE what any body says Sam Koeman were awful, Marco will get it right look how long it took Spurs and even Klopp.

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{Ed025's Note - i hope your right GB, and that he is given the time and resources to sort it out mate..

23 Dec 2018 20:39:32
It was never going to be a 5 minute job Ed025 mate, yes most of the team had an off day today but hey its only footy not the end of the world, give the guy time he will get it right, i have more faith in Marco and Marcel than the last two so called managers and I am sure Mr Moshiri does, HAPPY CHRISTMAS all.

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{Ed025's Note - im still fully behind them GB, but no doubt there will be knee jerk reactions to what was a very poor effort all round mate..

23 Dec 2018 20:52:44
It was mate.

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23 Dec 2018 21:59:16
Oh that's a support is it rather go down. I am 68 years old, appalled and whoever said that is a bumpeiceYeah that's Everton support for you. GB we are probably of equal age mate but also do not watch the same game, maybe different glasses.

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23 Dec 2018 22:25:37
Older mate game of opinions.

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23 Dec 2018 17:11:43
Watching the game I don't care how many people think we have improved the squad but we are poor - a million miles away from top 6 - yes a bit unlucky with the disallowed goal but the defending is shocking - Pickford needs a good talking too also.

Bring back Moyes LOL!

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23 Dec 2018 17:17:50
In another guise I asked what had Silva done to deserve all the accolades he gets, I also said along with others (getting some flack as well I may add) , that the bloke never seems to stay long in one place. Watford fell apart last Christmas and used us as the excuse, just remember that.

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23 Dec 2018 17:55:31
Embarrassing to watch bring back Baines.

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23 Dec 2018 18:49:31
so u domt rate dinge?

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23 Dec 2018 19:21:16
13 goals in 5 games there's something wrong somewhere. I take it you don't rate Baines?

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23 Dec 2018 19:21:25
Think the lad is a good player actually. Silva is for me a good coach and at the start of the season we played with no fear, perhaps we need to take a leaf from the so-called neanderthal books of Alardyce and employ a sports psychologist. Grasping at straws I know. Played a lot of football in my time, (pretty rubbish to be honest, but very very fit) but got my coaching badges LOL.

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23 Dec 2018 19:17:52
I ate some humble pie a few months back and said silver had proven me wrong but it's starting to look like he is out of his depth and I was right to be worried about his appointment.

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23 Dec 2018 19:25:19
Tactics issue today tried to go toe to toe with one of best attacks on there good day. Showed up how much we miss Gueye and how much Davies is off being top player. He can get there but miles away still. We could have scored 4 but they could have scored 10. Mind you better than being 3 nil down after 20minutes without trying to score like last year.

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23 Dec 2018 19:31:23
i do rate baines but i dnt see what difference he would make as i think dinge is just as good if not better.

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23 Dec 2018 21:17:19
Cookie I totally agree can’t go toe to toe yet with teams in the top 4. They are more clinical and shows we aren’t ready yet.
These teams are very good at taking chances and can’t be giving goals away in the premier league.

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23 Dec 2018 17:08:50
Tactics naive, how can two midfielders cope with five? Answer it is an impossible ask.

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23 Dec 2018 16:59:16
Decent start, but what a Fu**ing calamity for their equaliser. What was Pickford thinking?!? I know we were a tad unlucky when CL's goal was disallowed but we are giving them too much space behind and now we have a mountain to climb. I hope things improve second half but I won't hold my breath. Merry Friggin Christmas everyone!

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23 Dec 2018 17:07:54
We definitely need reinforcements January. This is garbage.

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23 Dec 2018 16:49:58
Pickford, he's our biggest problem 😂😂😂 ill just laugh or i'd cry.

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23 Dec 2018 16:46:27
Just shows how far away from the top 4 we really are. awful stuff.

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23 Dec 2018 12:33:28
I see Cardiff had agreed a fee of around 15million for sala, apparently pulling out because they've now cone back and said it's more like 17-18million, fantastic news that if we're to put a bid in, definitely worth a punt at that price, merry Xmas blues I'm off now to pack my case for sunny Australia.

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23 Dec 2018 11:17:18
If Chelsea are trying to offload batshauyi i would go all out and get him think his the type of striker we need.

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Review Of The Day 23rd December 2018

23 Dec 2018 07:29:01
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 23rd December 2018

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