Everton Banter Archive January 23 2016

 

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23 Jan 2016 23:49:51
Any truth the twitter rumours that Howard's off? Joel isn't injured, and Russell Griffiths put a post on instagram saying he was in the squad tomorrow, apparently.

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24 Jan 2016 01:24:46
Well if Carlsberg could do rumours they'd certainly do that one!

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24 Jan 2016 09:39:02
NBTB that made me chuckle mare.

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24 Jan 2016 10:55:24
Russ griffo in the squad today don't know if it's howard or Joel that's injured or dropped.

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23 Jan 2016 22:55:58
Oh God! Here's a thought just where would we be without Lakaku? Bottom third is my guess.

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23 Jan 2016 23:52:44
But where not so why does it matter?

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24 Jan 2016 06:59:17
It matters because we're dependent on a world class striker that will probably leave in the summer and will be irreplaceable.

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24 Jan 2016 07:45:44
imagine if howard wasn't in goal we would be 4th and lukaku can be replaced by bony of city.

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24 Jan 2016 09:50:01
We paid good money and got a good striker. If he goes we can reinvest the money. In 1985 if we didn't have Southall would we have won the league or would we have won the FA cup in 95 without him.

We have these game changers for good reason. Thinking about what it would be like if we didn't have them confuses me, as all I do is think about how good we could be if we had a few more like them.

We should dare to dream.

COYB.

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24 Jan 2016 09:52:47
Nobody is irreplaceable, it wasn't that long ago people were on here moaning about how slow and lazy Rom was. He's having a good spell at the moment, let's see how the rest of the season goes.

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24 Jan 2016 14:36:05
Sell Rom and we are in trouble Woburn, who is going to score the goals to keep us drawing games? Turn them draws into defeats and we are as inspiring as Villa. Things need to change and quickly as this season is just getting worse game by game.

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23 Jan 2016 19:26:33
no extra time for norwich"s eqaliser or the other lots champions league winner hmmm.

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23 Jan 2016 17:08:10
denis chersov on loan worth punt.

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23 Jan 2016 18:00:20
He's worth more than a punt - and anyway wasn't the punt replaced by the euro ;-)

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23 Jan 2016 18:33:36
hahha.

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23 Jan 2016 16:56:38
ive been miserable on here lately, reason being we got the best side we have had in years and dropped 11 points from being in front and 19 in total winable. We should be top of the league well clear. I don't agree with Paul Merson much but his words on TV today were he loves to watch us like the panel because were great for the neutral and that's good to stay mid table but if we want to win games get the lead and then make the subs and shut the game out. Sounds simple don't it

Why can't Bobby see this if he is to stubborn to change his ways then he has to go and I do like him. If he thinks that we will turn it round how many games is he going to keep going and giving players a chance that have had there chance. I feel and it makes me sick that we may be ripped apart in the summer. This was out chance this season and in my opinion Bobby has cost us.

Sad thing is he won't see it. Losing against teams at home like Stoke and Leicester is he having a laugh.
Maybe I'm wrong.

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{Ed025's Note - your not mate..

23 Jan 2016 17:50:15
The expansive, entertaining, attacking football that RM has got us playing when going forward is laudable.
His recruitment of players has overall been very good - far more top-performing players than duds in my humble opinion.
His development of young players - and trusting them by selecting them - is excellent.
However - Premier League football is a results business and, no matter how attractive our football might appear to the neutral observer, we will continue to drop points (especially - alarmingly - from winning positions) and we'll languish in mid-table if we don't defend better - and that is down to RM organizing, coaching and encouraging the players to be totally professional and not be naive and gung-ho.
Unfortunately, for all of RM's qualities, I just don't see anything in his tactical approach that suggests he wants to work on the defensive aspects let alone has the proven ability to actually do something. He can't blame everything on the players' mistakes, or their lack of game-management, or on iffy refereeing (and linesmen) decisions. RM is the manager - he's responsible and he gets well paid to get things right. If he doesn't - well even the patience of our board will run out. While everyone of our fans surely hopes for the best, is there anyone out there who is totally convinced that RM has it in him to make us a SUCCESSFUL winning team and not the neutral fans' favourite other team to watch?

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23 Jan 2016 16:52:15
. does anyone else think that Martinez is in the wrong type of job in football? I mean he has some good points - I. e. - he plays some lovely football, he's really good at developing and encouraging the younger players etc) but he has many negatives most notably the fact he cannot bloody defend and leaks far too many goals which ultimately can be at a cost of relegation. he couldn't at Wigan and can't at efc. I just wonder whether he would be best suited to a youth development coach or something along those lines? Some people I feel are suited to certain footballing jobs more than others. I mean take dear old Colin Harvey for example - he was a great no.2 but he couldn't cut it as a manager after Howard Kendall left. there are many other great no.2s I can think of that have never really made it as a manager like Steve Mclaran, Brian Kidd etc etc etc. just a thought here really. what does everyone else on here think?

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23 Jan 2016 16:58:05
Said it from the beginning and now others are seeing the same as me. Roberto is a coach that needs a Manager.

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23 Jan 2016 17:04:26
Yea Zackiii you have a fair point there. Seen somewhere the most goals scored against a team in the premiership and wasn't relegated was 78 goals at Wigan while Martinez was their which is worrying.

But Martinez is at Everton now and hopefully he learns while here how to get the balance between attacking and defending right. If he does he could turn into a top manager. He's here now so may as well give him a proper chance provided we don't get to close to the bottom of the table.

On a different note, Austin scored today, absolute steal at £4m. As long as he scores he's worth having.

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23 Jan 2016 20:46:43
Surprised to see you post NBTB. Thought you were getting married. Fair play though putting the Blues before the new missus.

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23 Jan 2016 22:16:58
Ha Tedster, just as I was reading that she was giving out to me for ---ing blogging!

Tied the knot yesterday. Lapping it up in Caribbean. Thank you to Mikeblue for the congratulations yesterday.

Can't wait till game tomorrow. Have a feeling we're going to win well.

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23 Jan 2016 22:51:40
Only went to Caribbean once and was at a wedding with a load of Mancs. Day after was the 4-4 draw that probably cost them the title. Good day loads of sunshine, Mount Gay rum and giving out loads of stick.

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24 Jan 2016 07:07:41
Last time I went to Jamaica, got up at 6 in the morning to watch us get beat 3 nil by Liverpool at Goodison. Think it was the one were Dunc hit the bar with a free kick. Got over it quickly with a few strawberry daquiris at the swim up bar though and pretended it didn t happen.

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23 Jan 2016 14:46:32
Well at least their is a defender out there worst than ours.

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23 Jan 2016 15:00:59
wot worse than. baines jags stones coleman. ye right.

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23 Jan 2016 15:13:33
Be thankful that there are several worse sides than us defensively!
Even so, if it wasn't for Lukaku's goals we might well be deep in the relegation mire - losing matches rather than just drawing them after throwing away leads :- (

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23 Jan 2016 16:21:23
We have a brilliant back line on paper. As good as near enough anyone in the premiership.

Unfortunately that's on paper. As a unit they are not playing to their potential because of the goals we are conceding.

For me that comes down to coaching. As Coleman, Jags, Baines along with Howard have consistently had low goals conceded in seasons gone past. Some seasons we would be in the top 5 in regards goals conceded.

If I remember correctly there was one season not long ago we finished a season with the second least conceded.

I know Howard is on the decline and is responsible for some of it. But he can't be at blame for it all.

The more you think about the defence and how they are performing the more baffling it all is.

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23 Jan 2016 16:34:22
Not baffling at all. We are 2-0 up away from home then 3-2 up and still we have to pass it out from the back, the bloke insists week after week that he will not change his tactics. No idea what will happen tomorrow but anything less than a win and someone should have a word in Roberto's ear. Currently 12th by the way.

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23 Jan 2016 17:10:57
You are both saying what I said over 2 years ago. But in a different way. I said that RM keeps replacing Moyes' players with ones who do not score sufficient goals. There are one or two exceptions, but in the main, if Moyes had a player scoring say 6 goals a season, RM will replace him with ones who score say 1 goal a season. The obvious exception is Lukaku which is why we are so reliant on him. If you look at Naismith who has just gone and immediately scored. But also I will list lots of players that he has signed who score very few goals for the position they play in. Barry, McCarthy, Kone, McGeady, Lennon, Cleverly and Besic. that's 7 outfield players who average about 12 goals between them. I accept Mori and Lukaku score well for their positions. However, look at Osman, Naismith, Pienaar, Fellaini, Mirallas, Jelavic or even Yakubu or Johnson. all of these averaged a good return of goals in the main. I believe Mirallas will be next to go. We are lucky that Barkley has come through and is contributing because the RM signings (Lukaku aside) are relegation material just by goals alone. never mind poor defending. If a "big" club comes in for Lukaku, his head will be turned and I said this 2 seasons ago. we will be in a terrible situation. The stats already show we have 60% possession in lots of games but very few shots on target. It has been better lately, but purely because of Lukaku's incredible goal return. When he goes we will be very poor. I also feel that some of the players he signs are good at possession but poor defending. especially the midfield/ forward players. These days all players are expected to defend. At least Moyes had that side organised.

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23 Jan 2016 17:15:05
How could I also forget Cahill?

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23 Jan 2016 18:34:10
Moyes wouldnt't have made a lot of the signings Martinez has made; £28 mill on a player? Forget about it. Even if he had, he'd have made Lukaku a 10 goal a season player; the man ruined strikers. Tell me which players Moyes bought/ played were consistent scorers? Cahill? Osman?

Swings and roundabouts.

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24 Jan 2016 00:16:16
oh please degsy if we win our next five games you be sayin somethin else like how you seen it comin and how you posted that way back heard it all before.

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24 Jan 2016 05:22:25
Spot on Cobyone, Degsy's smug arrogance is more taxong and irritating with every post he puts. He sees everything coming, he mentions players not scoring goals yet we acore more goals than most teams in the league. He was the same after Utd went above us when Moyes was there and he was made up they were above us so he could come on here and tell us all about how he seen it coming. Can anyone be bothered checking what he says? He says "I told you so" so often he probably makes up half the stuff he apparently said. Please degsy for the love of our sanity change the bloody record will you. Every post used to be about how Moyes is god and Osman is jesus. Now every post is how players don't contribute with enough goals and that's it. I think that's the 4th time you've posted the exact same thing in 2 months. The analogy of "if we didn't have Lukaku" is beyond ridiculous, we do have him, so why is it worth talking about? . If Barcelona didn't have Suarez, Neymar and Messi they'd score less goals, well yeah but they do have them so what's the point? . Like saying if we didn't have Cahill, Osman, Pienaar, Yakubu and Johnson back in those days we wouldn't score goals. Of we didn't have a goalkeeper we would concede more goals. But it's completely irrelevant and pointless as we do have these things so why bother asking "but if we didn't" or how reliant we are. We have them so what is the point? .

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24 Jan 2016 10:14:59
Well, I guess I will try and respond. but so many questions. what I was trying to say is that we are reliant on 1 player. Your analagy of comparing Barcelona's forward 3 does not stack up with me because. there are 3 world class players. we have 1. If any of their 3 world class players get injured/ sold/ lose form they have other replacements or have enough other players scoring goals. We rely almost soley on Lukaku. And that is the point. Without his goals we would be in deep messi. (excuse the pun) The chances of replacing him with like for like are very remote. And the rest of the players are not going to score many goals. Barry= 1 goal a season. McCarthy= 1 goal a season. Besic= has he scored yet? Kone=6 goals in 3 seasons. McGeady=1 goal so far. Lennon=3 goals. Cleverly=1 goal. Deleufeu=5 goals. Lukaku= 40goals so far. That's 8 outfield signings by Martinez that have scored a total of less than 20 goals over a few seasons. yes I know some are recent signings but Lukaku's contribution is immense and he will be off when a "so called big club" come in. Then we have a situation of finding players who score goals. We have just let Naismith go. He averages a minimum of 6 a season. Mirallas looks like he is off and he averages a goal every 4 games when he is picked. that's like 10 a season. Osman always got a minimum of 6 a season. Cahill always got over 15. Pienaar 7 or 8. Fellaini 10plus. Our full backs always used to bomb forward and get 5 or 6 each too. The only 2 signings that RM has made who are scoring well for their positions are Mori and Lukaku. I can honestly say I don't care what you think about what I say. but my opinion is that we are too reliant on 1 player (2 at most) for our goals. The football might be more exciting than when Moyes was here, but I would rather us score 1 more goal than the opposition and win games. that's my choice and my opinion. And I see problems ahead with RM and the players he is signing. We may well win the League Cup and that will buy him a bit of time. But if he carries on signing good footballers who do not score goals. we will be in the messi!

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24 Jan 2016 10:17:45
Summary = if Lukaku gets injured/ loses form/ leaves = very few goals. simples.

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24 Jan 2016 10:37:51
No no no, the analogy for Barcelona sticks for the simple fact that if one of them went they score less goals, if Lukaku goes we will just get someone else, may not acpre as many, but it's no different then Barcelona replacing Messi woth Turan. Like I said, who cares if we are "reliant" when we score more goals than most teams. Should Man City bench Aguero for Bony who will score half his goals at best just so the likes of Sterling or Navas get 3-4 goals each more than when Aguero plays? . If we didn't have Lukaku we would have someone else.

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24 Jan 2016 11:25:15
Sorry Swan, it does not stick with me because of 2 things. 1. Barcelona can go out and sign another world class striker and still have at least 2 others who will bang in goals. Plus their midfielders will bang in goals. Plus their defenders score goals. 2. We rely on Lukaku for (lets be generous and say) 70% of our goals. let's say he loses form. like last season when we went 11 games without a win and plummeted down the table. Or he gets injured. Or he leaves. let's say Kone takes over. Or we have a brilliant new kid. Or sign someone else. that's a lot of ifs and buts. but one thing is constant in all of those possible scenarios. we would miss Lukaku's goals. and there is no current sign of other players stepping up to the mark and banging in the 15 to 20 goals a season mimimum that Lukaku gets when he is in form, fit and playing for us. 8 other outfield players signed by RM just do not get enough. yet players that have been sold or retired did get those goals. Sorry if I sound like I am saying I told you so but I do promise I will say it if/ when Lukaku either loses form/ gets injured/ leaves. Wait and see. We are 8 points above relegation roughly half way through the season. If Lukaku got injured now, we would have to find about 15 goals from the rest of the team and his replacement just to equate our current position. I just cannot see the players RM signed from getting them. Replacing Howard might help at the other end I agree. But I also think our tactics are at fault. Time will tell.

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24 Jan 2016 11:30:20
Swan, I don't understand the Bony bit neither? What are you trying to say? Why would the other players score more goals when Aguero doesn't play? That makes no sense to me at all. Who knows how many they would score with either player playing? I certainly do not. Surely it depends upon how the team are playing? Either way, Aguero is such a strong player when fit. He ofteen gets his goals in the last 10 minutes after wearing down the defenders all through the game. that's when he is 100% fit.

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23 Jan 2016 13:28:21
Yes naisy lad knew you could get one get in there.

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23 Jan 2016 13:41:24
well done naisy, quality player and our divvy of a club sells him and keep people like kone on pay roll, brilliant club management.

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23 Jan 2016 13:43:06
Great strike Naisy. Get 2 more.

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23 Jan 2016 12:12:00
In our quest for a Champions League spot, just wondering how many goals we'll need to get a draw tomorrow?
2,3,4 or 5?
Answers on a postcard please!

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23 Jan 2016 13:29:23
Just 1 in the 90th minute - then stupidly and unprofessionally over-celebrate that lead-taking goal - then go to pieces defensively in added time and concede another pathetic late, late equalizer :- (

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23 Jan 2016 13:31:31
4/ 5 for me mush. Don't no how many we'll score though mate haha.

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23 Jan 2016 11:38:01
I've not posted for a while, but, in case some fans haven't seen it, I'd recommend having a look at the club's official website and reading the interview with Steven Naismith.
Like most fans I really liked the guy and was sorry to see him leave. If I had my way he would have started most games as he always gave 100%.
His final interview, if anything, has increased my respect and admiration of him. He really understands Everton and our fans.
I wish him nothing but the best of luck and I'm positive his welcome at Goodison on the last day of the season will be up there with other club legends on their return.

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23 Jan 2016 11:51:06
Yes mate, we have a lot of dead wood that should have gone before him, let's hope he gets 5 today lol.

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23 Jan 2016 12:25:50
As much as I loved naisy many people seem to be sad to see him go, as am I however just as many people have said previously that he was not at the level required. I know he works and works and is a great player to have around the squad however he is never going to be a starter for us in the long term and for us to get up to £10M for him bearing in mind that he's nearing 30 and that we ourselves have only ever bought about 5 players for more than that sum it seems a good deal for the club and the player alike. Yes I'll be sad to see him go but long term I don't see it being a massive loss to us. Many have said they'd have rather got shot of Kone, I'd probably agree on ability basis but we'd have never got anywhere near £5M for him let alone 8.5 rising to 10 if Norwich stay up. Top bloke, wish you well Naisy!

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23 Jan 2016 13:35:59
Naismith got one, brill, Blue mate, we should strengthen our team, are we desperate for 8 mill?

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23 Jan 2016 10:39:05
need a winn 2day badley,we have lost 5 the same as city who are poosible champuions but have won 6 only 1 more than sunderland who have a real chance of being relagated its crazy,next seaon the boro could be in the prem and they always spend big when they go up plus they have a decent ground so they could well be another club we are playing catch up with to go the likes of lester,westham,stoke, palace,spurs,plus if we lose any of are best players then next season robbie might get his wish relagation but at least we played great football.

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23 Jan 2016 11:57:03
We don't play till 2mrw kid.

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23 Jan 2016 12:02:22
Dont think we'll get any points today. Might do when we play tomorrow though! Kick off's at 13.30, in case you're wondering.

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23 Jan 2016 12:31:35
hahaha cheers blue liam and hugo I had a bit too much sauce last night good job I avin set off yet to get game.

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23 Jan 2016 13:28:19
goaaaallll naisy yeeessss.

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23 Jan 2016 06:57:30
Eds do we have a Facebook page.

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{Ed033's Note - Do you see We are now trialling a facebook page just before the posts begin higher up on this page?

23 Jan 2016 06:51:40
Ed why are people going on about Sam Bryant. There talking like he was a world beater. The lad wanted first team footy which is fair enough. He wasn't going to get that with Coleman there so he chose West Ham. To me that shows he new who was the weaker team. No player especial from a lower league should come to a prem club and demand first team footy. If they are that good they would not of started in a lower league.

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{Ed025's Note - i agree pb, hes a good prospect but there is no way he is walking into our team mate, but good luck to the lad..

23 Jan 2016 15:39:04
To be fair, one of the reasons he stated was that his uncle and cousin are both West Ham fans and go the game. Think he was originally from that area but could be wrong on that. The biggest thing I took from this attempted transfer was what RM said in his interview the other day. He is happy that we identified a good talent and prospect from the lower leagues but it was just not right for both parties. The man talks an amazing amount of nonsense, we are not the only club who had monitored the lad over the last few seasons.

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23 Jan 2016 03:05:25
Just signed macherano on a one year deal **** it may as well go all out.

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