Everton Banter Archive January 24 2012

 

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24 Jan 2012 23:35:03
Why Ed this site is so educational....
2 days ago I learned that our board are crap and they need to go...
Yesterday I learned that our board are crap and they need to go...
And today I learned that our board are crap and they need to go...
Can't wait for tomorrows educational gem!!! {Ed025's Note - you and me both mate..

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24 Jan 2012 23:06:32
Can I just say, we are evertonians! We should not be boycotting matches, then the team would do worse and lets be honest, no player will want to join a club with no fans...

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24 Jan 2012 22:34:03
Want a good right back to replace Hibbo and Nev.
Take a look at Nathaniel Clyne the Palace right back. Watched him a few times now. Loves getting forward has loads of pace, and only 20. Future England full back. Swap deal for Saha? {Ed001's Note - out of contract in the summer.}

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Nailed on then Ed. This is the market we should be looking in, not some poxy loaner who we have never heard of. This seasons gone lets start building now for the next.

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There's a lot left this season we ain't got 40 points yet!

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We already have a right back with loads of pace, when Nev and Hibbo retire then Coleman will slot into the right back role.

But this lad does seem talented.

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Coleman is a late starter, very good going forward on his day but still a bit naive defensively

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The s**te looking at clyne aswell

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Coleman in front of Clyne, simlar set up to peanut and bainsy. Much better prospect than Onohua.

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24 Jan 2012 22:25:44
Not a rumour but watching cardiff game zaha of palace is a class player we should go for him

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He is awful, he has no final product, we already have a headless chicken in Drenthe!
WHNC

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Yes, Drenthe is clearly headless, 2 goals and 7 assists, responsible for nearly half our goals despite limited playing time. Clearly headless and terrible.

It is like someone has 1 or 2 bad games and they are villified as s**te, they are entitled to a bad patch especially when your surrounded by the likes of Saha.

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24 Jan 2012 22:21:19
Zaha from palace has had a screamer tonight... Sign him up!

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24 Jan 2012 22:06:22
rodwell will be sold to utd or chelsea 23 million

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Nt a chance

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Back up your post mate, where did you get that info from, the neighbours cat?
we can all post who or what we would like to happen but lets be realistic

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24 Jan 2012 22:04:17
Been reading some of the the replies on here, now i have nothing against Bill Kenwright, nor do i support the blue union, i'm like most of you and Everton supporter through and through.

BUT i really wish that some of you would take your heads out of the sand, and do your own research like i did. You have the internet so its all there in front of you you just need to search.

Yes Bill Kenwright supports Everton, and yes he took us over when times were tough and since then we've finished in the top 8 mumerous times, been to wembly and qualified for the champions league, weve smashed our transfer record over and over again, but we did sell one of the greatest english players for only 27 million!!

However, football is now a buisnees more than it ever has been, and Everton at the moment are a buisness thats going OUT of buisness. Take all the money weve recieved from transfers against the money we've spent, Take premier league prize money, take sponsership and most notably tv rights, include in that the years of europen football(extra revenue) and the fact that we have had a wage cap all thoses years, and you have to ask the question, why has our debt doubled!!

Now im not for a second suggesting that theres anything dodgy going on ( i'l leave that to others) but it certainly has to make you stop and think of the direction our club is going in, seroius questions have to be asked as to where the cash has gone, if that amount of cash has, as we are led to believe been witild away it shows a complete level of financial incompetence. The current level of sponsership is minimal and our merchandising has not expanded as it should have in the last ten years, we have missed numerous financial oportunities.

We are constantly selling our best and brightest, and in fact they are the only assets that the club have left. Now im no financial expert and as i said no supporter of either side except the best interests of my beloved blues, so before you defend the current board and bill kenwright go do your own research as i did, it might make you stand up and take notice that out great club is on a downward spiral and will continue unless something is done.

Kurajan

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24 Jan 2012 21:44:13
This young lad from palace Wilfred Zaha looks half decent moyes should have a look

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24 Jan 2012 21:30:16
Not saying it is or isnt going to happen, but I just cant understand why no ones mentioned this sooner, if Billy is leaving then why not tie down Donovan permanently, im sure 7 million from the sale and then im sure moyes has 3 million somewere!

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LA or Liverpool, Galaxy probably best team in USA, Everton probably one of the worst in premiership, 7 million from Bily, where are you getting your figures from fella, and finally spend our supposed 7 million off Bily and rustle up another 3 from somewhere, come on mate what are you smoking

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I think last time he was on loan we looked a better team we were playing good attacking football so if he was going to sign it would of been then! We are poor now cant pass cant shoot! Plus with all the rubbish going on off the pitch and everton fcs future not looking great at this moment in time theres no way he would leave LA to come to us permanently! And i dont blame him!

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24 Jan 2012 21:25:37
why does bill kenwright have philip green advising him is he not a spurs fan think its a disgrace having a rival football supporter with interest in another team advising everton u dont see that at utd and surprise surprise were in s$$t street his advise is as useful as t£££ on a bull.is he deliberately messing us up! funny his team spurs have loads of money and flying high not to mention the quality of players they buy and then they come and take peanuts and have been sniffing round r other players it seems to too me he has another agenda or is it just a conspiracy theory! food for thought did he bring elstone woods and earle in! the plot thickens

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We could learn a lot from spurs owners on how to run a successfully financial stable club!

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24 Jan 2012 20:44:02
Just give Vellios or/and Stracq a chance! When they have played, they have both impressed! Saha is way past his best and simply can not find the net! Drop players like Cahill, and Neville and give other players such as Barkley a start! Use Cahill as an impact player to grab us a few late goals and use Neville as backup for the first team! we have a good side when picked correctly and also in the right formation. 451 simply does not work, i just don't see why Moyes uses it every game, when we play 442 we play attractive and generally better football! where as 451 leads to us booting the ball upfield from full back positions, us not winning headers, the ball not sticking up the opponents end and therefore they come at us and attack!

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I agree with 442 idea but when moyes has used it this season against both bolton and spurs so doesnt look like moyes fancys changing it unless he goes for a kind of 2 very attacking full backs 2 holding midfilders 2 wingers and 2 strikers which doesnt sound like moyes so the 442 thing sadly wont work atm

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He could try
Howard
Neville Duffy Heitinger Baines
Rodwell Fellaini Gibson
Drenthe Saha Donovan

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24 Jan 2012 19:30:39
Will the Bank let Everton fail? Well, no sign of a buyer, no prospect of improving the side without speculating a lot of cash, low income and an inadequate stadium. Not sure how much slack the bank will allow. Administration may be a greater threat than we would like to believe.

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Maybe administration is not a bad way to go it will force club to sell at lower price no way it would fold and a buyer will get a bargain everyone's a winner

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Oh yeh great idea that lad, you forgot about the points deduction for going into administration, then we get relegated, sell off our best talent and possibly drop into league 1. Remember man city. Administration is a ridiculous idea

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Yes I remember look at them now top league and world class players oh and richest club on planet

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Mate u don't see the point you sometimes have to hit rock bottom to get to the top, I mean we won't go down but there are more and more teams overtaking us year after year if we don't get investment or takeover then we will be going down anyway in next 4 seasons. So reduce the asking price of club or down we go and it will be painful.
I think the problem is the other board men I bet if you said to kenwright to sell club with no profit but he remains at the club he would do it, it's the other greedy men who want the profit they are the ones who need to go

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Must admit he has made u look stupid on that one

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24 Jan 2012 16:07:05
Surely if we are in talks with Alessio Cerci then that answers the question to whether or not Buddle will be signing... (1 loan position left) Ed? {Ed025's Note - there is a difference apparently, between a long, and short term loan agreements...but i dont know all the rules..

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Landon Donovan is excluded as his loan is 10 weeks, not season long, Eric Dier is a loan for the reserves so he is excluded.
Its only SEASON LONG LOANS that take affect regarding the rules, so basically we have 2 loan's available only Drenthe and Straqualersui are counted as loans

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That Samuelson of the fortress fund who were guna invest in everton 2004 has cum out n said good reason y deal never happened ask bill kenwright he knows y .

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24 Jan 2012 16:03:18
hi ed not bin on for a few days any new developments or rumours that where into {Ed025's Note - you will have to look back mate...or use the search facility..

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24 Jan 2012 15:45:20
Ed u need to get a like/agree to your comments reading your views on James mc really makes me laff.
Dockerblue {Ed025's Note - its not about me dock...i try to be impartial, but some things do get to me, im just a supporter like you mate..

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24 Jan 2012 15:10:11
This is a article by Rick Tarelton on Toffeeweb, I am of a similar age to Rick and i couldn't agree more with what he has to say, im sure ed025 will agree also.

On a slightly different note to the comments I have added to various articles in the last six months...

(By the way, yes, I think Kenwright is a fantasist who is damaging our great club; yes, I think Moyes has lost his way and is far too defensive....)

However, having got that out of the way, let me return to my theme. On Saturday I made my third visit to Goodison this season, I live in Rutland and my pension allows only occasional visits; my other two games were QPR and Wolves. Okay, I agree, not our three best displays, but I'm not talking about how abysmal we are (and Saturday was the pits). What I want to focus on is the crowd.

As a youngster in the 50s and 60s, I attended most games and at one time had a season ticket for the old paddock, the attendences were often in excess of 60,000. Now Goodison was never a cauldron like Anfield or the Boleyn Ground, but it was very noisy. Like the old Highbury stadium which had a similar design, it let you know which team it supported with a vengeance.

The demography of the crowd was very different in those days: many young people, like myself were there, we went most weeks and we'd get there a good hour before the kick-off, so thaat we could claim 'our spec'. There was a tangible excitement in the air.

I know I'm talking of Everton's years of success, but even in the fifties, pre Bobby Collins, the atmosphere was one of humour, we almost laughed at the succession of useless left-wingers we bought before Tommy Ring showed us what a winger could do.

But this season, the crowd has been moribund, hardly a cheer, no chants and the atmosphere is so tense. We expect failure.

It's an old crowd: most of the people I see are more my age (over 60) than youngsters. They look at each other and grin, shaking their heads at yet another useless punt to inadequate strikers; they are resigned to a midfield that moves in crablike, predictable fashion; and they expect Neville to make at least one howler a game and to fail to find a man consistently.

Our best players are our defenders: Baines (and even he looked bored on Saturday), Distin, Duffy and on Saturday Heitinga was very good. The football does not move the crowd and the crowd fails to rouse the team.

I have London friends and I've occasionally attended Everton games sitting with them at Chelsea and Arsenal; their crowds have obviously had a lot more to cheer about than the Goodison faithful, but it's a different demography: younger, more demanding, and noisier.

Apart from the booing at the end, we didn't even bother to show our disgruntlement, and my gruntle was well dissed. That mood of moribund resignation suggested a club in decline and supporters who feel helpless to stop that decline.

If Kenwright has any sensitivity at all — and, remember, he is an ACTOR — he must realise that the greatest condemnation of his reign is the death of the Goodison Roar; that is the sign of the despair of Evertonians.


The future looks as bleak as I've ever seen at Goodison and I can go back to the old Second Division days; even in Walter Smith's worst days there was anger, not this silent despair. {Ed025's Note - that is a cracking read....and describes the atmosphere to a tee...thanks for posting it mate..

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This is spot on. Iv'e been trying to describe the atmosphere this season to many people but can't quite describe it properly. This is spot on.
For those people that say the atmosphere is like it is because of the football we have played this season that's an excuse, the atmosphere was the same as it has been from the very first game at QPR.
I remember 10 minutes before kick off against QPR there was nko atmosphere and people were nervous, i put it down to it being the 2nd week of the season and our first game but the atmosphere hasn't changed all season.
I am a season ticket holder in the Main Stand and form the first time in the 4 years i have a season ticket I didn't even attend the Swansea game (which we ended up winning haha) and I never went to the Blackburn game, it's a concern that i am not the only one doing this, i just got up on both of them days off the game and thought do i really want to drive all the way to the ground and watch boring football ? Call me a kopite and "not a true blue" but it costs me a fortune and i spend time away from my 2 young kids and missus to watch us play like sunday league footballers and i am beginning to find it hard to get motivated to go and watch

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Everything bad at everton atmosphere money problems subdued manager is down 2 the rotten board .who r slowly killin the club .fans will only get more hostile b warned bill

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Well, I was about to submit my own rant about the deafening silence at Goodison, but this "poster" has hit the nail on the head. To a point.
Fellow Blues, you need to ask yourselves a few questions.

1 Are you a billionaire who is going to buy the club build a new ground and invest millions into the squad?
If the answer is yes. Then please do so as soon as possible.
If no then go to question 2
2 Are you Bill Kenwright or other board member.
If the answer is yes, can you please try through any media source to give us an honest hint at what is happening to our great club and what the future holds.
If no then on to question 3

3 Are you David Moyes the Everton Manager? if Yes, Hello Davie please keep the faith and cheer up!
If no then onto question 4
4 Are you an Everton fan? Born not manufactured, Blue till you die, Get goosebumps and the hairs on the back of your neck stand up when Z Cars plays, at whatever age, size or shape you are buy you Everton shirt and get excited and imagine scoring for our beloved club, pine for the glory days but nothing will ever, ever turn you away, even if we do end up in the blue square league are you blue through and through? If yes then it's our time, we must do our bit, we have always been the twelfth man, we have always intimidated away teams with the Goodison roar, where have we gone? As I said it's our turn now, no matter what your point of view if you're a fan then we must do our bit to inspire the team, at least we can say we gave our all! If it still all goes wrong then at least we did what we could, rarther than sit in abject silence.
My hope is that those hardy Everton away fans, who are always heard, take up my call bring Goodison alive again, I salute them, time to bring it home.
Let us not go out with a wimper, for we are EVERTON and proud.
If the answer is no, then shame on you, for you are no more that a red

Proud and Blue till I die COYB IMWT
Big C

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24 Jan 2012 13:35:43
Disappointing to see some narrow minded people disagreeing with this post! {Ed025's Note - which post is that?

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You're the 'narrow minded one' because you only want to allow people to speak who agree with your (narrow) views

I'm happy for anyone to say anything they want, even if I disagree with them - so I'm wide minded - and you're narrow minded

you only want to hear your own views

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Agree with Ed firstly as in WHAT POST IS THAT, second poster spot on mate - It's called free will, this means that you have your own opinions in life and sometimes you agree and others you disagree, we are all different so don't get upset by someone disagreeing with you

Degsybluenose {Ed025's Note - your right degsy...they are peoples opinions! just because you dont agree with them..does not make them wrong..

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He's referring to the michael ball post below - and, like a lot of very active right on political groups, he/they want to suppress any dissent to their own agenda (which for the gay lobby primarily includes pushing pro gay propaganda into primary schools) - so whenever wherever they get the chance - like on this football fan website - they try and get anyone who they don't like (anyone who disagrees with them or says something they don't like) into trouble (lose their jobs or get them suspended etc) - so as to try and stop anyone else opening their mouths and voicing any opposition to them

pls excuse the political sidetrack - they just hack me off these people who'd happily see our country changed into an oppressive place with no free speech just to get their own way on their own pet issue

this guy wanted to come in here and make a political point and hoped no one would open their mouth to object to him

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24 Jan 2012 13:31:18
I think Bill Kenwright has taken too much abuse on here at the end of the day Moyes has had cash to spend but not spent wisely enough for me. {Ed025's Note - they are both culpable in my eyes..

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Total crap kens**te is totally to blame fact you dont know what youre talking about

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A good manager lives and dies on is signings they should become assets doubling in value only arteta increased the rest have devalued

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How did lescott devalue?

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24 Jan 2012 13:11:57
Bily’s dad in parting shot at David Moyes
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The father of Diniyar Bilyaletdinov has fired a parting shot at his son’s former manager after the Russian agreed a move to Spartak Moscow.

Bilyaletdinov Sn claimed that his son’s creative ability had not been used to it’s fullest during his time at Everton, and says that his son has wanted to leave for the last six months.

“Diniyar has wanted to leave for six months,” he said. “I don’t think he had a choice, especially with Euro 2012 coming up, where he needs to reach a point where he is guaranteed to play.

“In terms of his creativeness Diniyar has stagnated. The same thing happened to Mikel Arteta.
“I don’t want to question Moyes‘s qualifications, but if he’d got more out of his defensive players, then his creative players wouldn’t have dropped off so much in recent years.”

he has a point

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You can't really argue you with that !

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Exactly, you cant really argue with the guy, he is spot on. Maybe Moyes will listen? Doubt it.

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I agree moyeset hasnt used him right

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24 Jan 2012 12:51:24
Quaresma taking a long time to sign i hope its not left to the last day.

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Im almost certain that this is nothing more than a rumor.

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Rubbish rubbish

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24 Jan 2012 12:44:01
Former England defender Michael Ball has been fined £6,000 by the Football Association for making homophobic comments on Twitter.

As much as racism has no place in football neither does homophobia. Michael Ball should hang his head in shame!

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This is not communist Russia. If someone wants to say something then let them - if you disagree with them then say you disagree and why - and you don't have to be friends with people who's views you don't like - but freedom of expression is a cornerstone of democracy and freedom

the suppression of comments and views is one step on the road to oppression - and big brother monitoring what you can say and think

thought police are the modern fascists

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How have so many people disagreed? Homophobia is a crime and should be treated as such. Thought police? Just protecting peoples choices.

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24 Jan 2012 12:13:49
can anyone else see what i see?
we keep selling players and not replacing them with full time buys just short term loans.
eventually this will catch up with us and we will run out of 1st team standard players and end up with a squad full of reserves which is just not good enough, hence relegation will follow possibly more than one division.
I am no business man but it seems like a stand off between BK and the board any prospective buyer regarding the valuation of the club, and the only ones suffering are
1. the fans and
2. the long term future of our club

Why can't they see this
Somebody please save Everton Football Club from disappearing off the radar- very concerned lifelong blue-wella

Surely BK and the board can see this yet the situation continues {Ed025's Note - good post wella..

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Our wonderful club is in serious trouble can anyone else understand why no buyer has come in to buy a massive club steeped in history? {Ed025's Note - try..price too high...dilapidated ground..and debts..

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One problem is that our youth players are better than our senior players. The future is bright as long as they dont get pissed off at Moyes refusal to give them a chance.
Get rid of the old guard who seem to have lost all drive and give the kids a chance to blossom

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The problem y everton hasn't been sold is nt the stadium or the debt .any future owners will have a different business plan a million times more astute n professional than r current board with a million times better contacts ie banks sponsors private investors than r current board .the question i ask myself is ther potential in everton with r fan base definitely .don't think like the current board under new owners everton will b major players .city n Chelsea have had ther takeover if we have similar ones wud we b bigger with the same resources .we deffo wud n it will happen .

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24 Jan 2012 12:03:59
Mounir El Hamdaoui from Ajax He's out of favour but who is he?? {Ed025's Note - he is an ajax striker..moroccan...was also at spurs..

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We need proven strikers ed? {Ed025's Note - hes not bad actually..i think he had a spell at derby too..

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Whats happening with edson buddle {Ed025's Note - a decision will be made this week..

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24 Jan 2012 11:04:34
So David Moyes and Bill Kenwright know how to run Everton F C then why buy a player for 11m (yak) then sell for 2m loss 9m and buy a player for 9m (Bily) and sell for 2m
The money for Bily is going to the bank says an Everton spokesman.
Ateta money 10m gone to the bank.
beckford money 2-3m gone to the bank.
vaughan money 2-3m gone to the bank.
yak money 2m gone to the bank.
Is it the bank that is trying to destroy EVERTON F C
or is it Moyes, Kenwright, the board and the Banks.
At this rate Everton will out of the Football League within FOUR YEARS and Moyes, Kenwright, The Board and The Banks will get there wish. EXTINCTION OF EVERTON F C
I foregot the Pienaar money 3m gone to the bank.
At my reckoning that 19m gone to the bank in the last year and the debt never comes down but the cost of buying the club has gone up from 30m to 150m since BK bought into to the club. The only ones that can save this club now is KENWRIGHT, THE BOARD and a BUYER
Kenwright and The Board why dont you sell for a proper price ( 40m to 50m )

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Too rite mate its about 35million wid players sold and bellefield absolute joke

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BY GOING TO HOME MATCHES IS STILL LINING THE POCKETS OF KENWRIGHT AND THE BOARD. DONT GO TO HOME MATCHES AND KENWRIGHT AND THE BOARD WILL HAVE TO SELL AS THERE WOULD BE NOT MUCH MONEY GOING IN THEIR POCKETS. ITS ABOUT TIME WE (THE FANS) STARTED FULL PROTESTS AT HOME GAMES AND BOYCOTT THE GAMES.

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If we dont go to home matches there will be no income(Gate receipts,food etc generate at least £1m per home game) and more players will be sold to balance the books! Engage brain please you dumbass!!

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So we're well n truly snookered - can't get rid of kenwright unless we hit him in the pocket and if we hit him in the pocket we hurt our own club and ourselves

snooker loopy nuts are we, we're all going loo-py!

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The 1m gate money and food does not go into Everton F C it goes into BK and the Boards pockets. And even if you dont boycott the home games THEY will still sell the top players at the club and the money will go to the bank, Kenwright and the Boards. Think about that

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Gate receipts dont go into BKs pocket! Where do you think monies for wages(players.first team.youth team management and backroom staff),policing of games,running costs of stadium etc comes from? We certainly cant print the bloody stuff! If people honestly think Kenright is pocketing gate receipts then they are incredibly naive and stupid! And no,I'm not standing up for the bloke but people are blaming him cos its easy. The real culprits are the red s**te. If they hadn't got up banned from Europe in the 80s we could well have been in the position United are now! {Ed001's Note - don't be silly. United always had the biggest fanbase (much as I hate to admit it), Everton were never going to be at that level. What they could have been is in a decent position, like Stoke or Spurs, but the board failed to act on the stadium. That is why Everton have fallen behind and Liverpool. Both have failed to improve the single most important asset of a club and both desperately need it.}

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Fair enough United had a bigger fanbase BUT ask yourself,would Kendall have gone off to Spain if he couldve had another crack at Europe at Goodison? Would Stevens and Steven run off to a tin pot league like Scotland when they couldve won Euro trophies at Goodison? Success breeds success and with it comes prize money,prestige and better players irrelevant of fanbase. United just won the league at the right time when English clubs got back into Europe.the conception of the cash cow that is the Premier league AND the starting of the Champions league! {Ed001's Note - Kendall would have gone anyway eventually, for personal reasons, he was always on the verge of leaving. I do agree the players might have stayed, but that would have been irrelevant because you are still forgetting the infrastructure wasn't there for sustained success like it is and was at United. Forget what players there are, that is a short term issue, it is about the stadium, the club shop, the merchandising, the fanbase etc etc. Everton were light years behind United back then, which is why they were able to not just win it once or twice, but to go on to dominate the league.}

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I'm sorry? Did you actually pay forget the players? I always thought that players won matches? Not infrastructure,not stadiums and not fanbases. You may have noticed that for a business model Arsenal are pretty much the ideal but the players aren't good enough and as a club they are in decline! United also in decline because the players aren't up to it but they still have the best infrastructure! The best players always want to be at the SUCCESSFUL clubs regardless of fanbase etc! If circumstances were different in the 80s it is widely accepted we had one of the best teams in Europe so could easily have won more trophies.increased prize money and attracted the top players/managers

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